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Title: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on October 13, 2011, 07:33 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2la7l86.jpg)

Hi.

After 6 months of tests, adjustments and flying we decided to make the Iridium Plans available.

Authors: Jonathan Filippi & Mario di Biase

This kite was entirely developed by computer aided sailing (CAS, PAV in italian) program, developed by Prof. Mario di Biase

Wingspan : 230 cm, height 91 cm
Type: Freestyle

Versions Tested: STD,UL and SUL (SUL-UL-STD in the photo)

Characteristics:

Iridium is a freestyle kite, his trick intuitivity (in particular for flat rotations such as taz machines) makes it appreciable both to beginners and to advanced pilots. The wing span isn't enormous, but the long spine allows good precision in corners and flying, for example for a ballet. It also has pretty good stability. The high discharge area allows easy stalling and performing tricks but the pull is still good over the wind window. The speed is moderate, allowing beginners to performs square cuts or other precision figures without very much effort.

The tail lenght and the balancing allows a stable but not excessive backflip. The spine is quite stiff and allows good 2pt landings.

Trick: Flat rotations are elegant,  in particular slot taz e five-forties are easy and forgiving. Half axel and cascades require good slack management to be flat.
Yoyo: Yoyo's are very fast in all variations and all versions, including the SUL version(but i had to load a bit the tail with 12g weight)
Lewis: No problems.
Backspin: Good in every version, forgiving timing errors.
FlicFlac e Jackb's ladder: Good, but make sure that the nose isn't too much deep, or you have to perform a sweeping pull to recover it in fade again , otherwise it jams in pancake position..

Fade: Stable and nose-position-forgiving.
Comete: elegant, stable and simple to perform.
Rising fade: needs a sweeping pull or it will take off tailwise....
FlapJack: needs a bit of back control to be clean (land on 2point).
Rolling susan/rolling cascade/insane: Those tricks require a bit of wind and attention, they arent very easy but once learned they shouldn't give any problems.

Link to the plan:
http://www.mediafire.com/?f6xlomsf99u04we (http://www.mediafire.com/?f6xlomsf99u04we)

Post your photos if you decide to build one.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: mikenchico on October 13, 2011, 07:46 AM
Thanks, looks real nice and a great review of it's capabilities. We are getting flush with some great designs given away by the designers. Very generous of you all to go to the effort of sharing your work.





Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on October 13, 2011, 07:50 AM
Give credit also to Mario di Biase, he is a great mind and this project is a product of co-working.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on October 13, 2011, 11:14 AM
I too would love to thank all the people making plans public for our use.  I'm getting quite the to-do list.  This looks like a wonderful kite and I look forward to building it in the future (have a couple of kites in the works now).

One thing, I'm having trouble opening the .RAR file... it asks for a password to extract the files.  If there is a password, I'd be happy to have it, or if someone can post the uncompressed files that would be great also.  Thanks!

Stephen


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: JimB on October 13, 2011, 11:22 AM
Really great looking panel layouts on these kites.

Nice work.

;)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on October 13, 2011, 11:30 AM
Ah the password   :) i forgot to post it, sorry.

Password : stack

Good work


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on October 13, 2011, 11:48 AM
password works wonderfully! Thanks.  Quick question about the plan.  I see that there are multiple indications (circled crosses) at each connector on the sail plan.  is the purpose of this for marking the sail on the inside of the leading and trailing edges?  Thanks!


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on October 13, 2011, 12:10 PM
The circled crosses are for reference. The important ones are the yoyo stopper marker, and the standoff markings. Just make sure that you cut the dacron in a way to cover the apa and avoid line tangling.

That's what i mean:
http://www.tweelijners.com/tom/tomskitesite-en/KB14.html (http://www.tweelijners.com/tom/tomskitesite-en/KB14.html)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on October 13, 2011, 12:20 PM
Thanks for your quick reply. 

I'm curious if you've done any testing on the SUL with the new skyshark zero air spreaders... and would love to see some video of this kite in flight if you've got it. 

I've enjoyed looking at the detailed pictures, looking forward to getting this one built.  Thanks again.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on October 13, 2011, 12:26 PM
For the SUL you can try 3pt black diamond (artic version) stiffer and even more trickable or zero air, with the weith of 2pt and the stiffness of 3pt

A video in with very low wind:
Iridium SUL e UL @ Polo scientifico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-o147dM9go#)

A video at beach:
Iridium @ Riccione (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikf-fbJg3-o#)

Unfortunately i don't have other videos but i hope that soon they will arrive.




Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on November 04, 2011, 02:50 AM
With this weight configuration, it is possible to do take-off yoyos even with the SUL version. Enjoy !!  :)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 23, 2012, 04:13 PM
For whose like a stronger presence of the kite on the lines i have moved the inner standdof outward closer to the outer standoff (2cm) without losing anything in tricks.


You can download the whole plan here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?vn4vflbhdd44z2l (http://www.mediafire.com/?vn4vflbhdd44z2l)



Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on February 03, 2012, 09:48 AM
I'm curious to known what material you use for your black pin striping over the seams. 


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: mdilucca on February 03, 2012, 11:54 AM
I'm curious to known what material you use for your black pin striping over the seams. 

Me too!  I'd love to find out  :P

Cheers
Mario


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on February 06, 2012, 11:24 AM
It is mirai nylon, but you can use icarex as well  ;)

Anyone is building it?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on February 24, 2012, 03:23 PM
I've got my plans printed and am preparing to build templates now.  I've got a few other projects in the works, so may be a while.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on February 28, 2012, 06:15 AM
Just make sure that you download the last version (iridium-final).

 :)

Have fun  ;)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on February 28, 2012, 01:56 PM
I've already printed the original version of the plans that was posted in this thread.  is the only difference the location of the inner standoff?  I was thinking I may make a hole in the original spot and the new location (2cm further from the spine).  Let me know if there were any other changes.  If so, I can get the new plans printed instead.  I'm looking forward to building a Std. and UL version of this kite.  Already got my frame materials set aside. 


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: Untitled on February 28, 2012, 04:36 PM
from what I could tell the parts file was missing a panel on the original, and on the layout two panels where the same letter.  might want to use the final version at least for the parts file


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on February 28, 2012, 07:26 PM
thanks for pointing that out.  I hadn't noticed.  I will get the parts PDF reprinted... may do the a4 size at home just for the one missing panel. 

other than the correction to the panel layout and lettering, is the plan the same (still realizing the change of the inner standoff location from the original)?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on February 29, 2012, 12:58 PM
The missing panel was corrected in the final version, since i don't noticed it before since i was cutting the plan to do the templates. The sails is the same, but the inner standoff is moved outwards to increase a bit the drag area for a litte more presence on the lines accross the wind window. The position of the standoff on the lower spreader must be moved accordingly to the new "measures.pdf" file.

To modify my Iridiums i simply made another hole 2 cm outwards and replaced the connector,  moving the lower spreader connector to have a 90 angle with the standoff.

The iridium-final file contains all the corrections implemented.



I'm very happy that you are building two versions of the kite  :) and looking forward for the photos and your impressions in flying.

Many people trying it said that it is well balanced and very trick capable with very little oversteer and good controllability.

And of corse i like them very much since they are based on my flight style.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on April 02, 2012, 04:50 AM
There is an update about the bridle settings. I will post it soon  :)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on April 10, 2012, 02:12 PM
THis is the bridle for more precision and pull:


A (incidence): 50 cm
B (external) : 53 cm
C (discharge): 59 cm
T (reverse) : 4 cm

Anyone currently buiding it?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: spscream on May 12, 2012, 11:43 AM
Hi!

How can I download plans? Link is broken...


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on May 13, 2012, 01:07 PM
I will repost it again. Don't Worry :-)


http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/23619702/file.html (http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/23619702/file.html)

The terms of mediafire didn't allow anonimous upload.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on January 06, 2013, 12:09 AM
finished my Iridium UL tonight.  pictures to follow when I find the card reader to transfer photos to computer... stay tuned.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: Wayner on January 06, 2013, 10:16 AM

I'm excited to see how it looks. Always love your projects.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 07, 2013, 06:57 AM
looking forward to see the photos  :)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: Krijn on January 07, 2013, 07:46 AM
yeah, were is that cardreader?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: thief on January 07, 2013, 08:22 AM
kite chemist if you want to shoot me a copy of the file and I can host it up on my website.
rob


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 07, 2013, 08:46 AM
Hi. You can download it on
http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar (http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar)

thank you for hosting it  :), i'm glad to see that many people are interested in the iridium  :)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on January 07, 2013, 07:30 PM
here it is... iridium UL, complete.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xR3BdTDYsVM/UOuRu9tM71I/AAAAAAAABXA/hMIxPXRHyN8/s800/P3060018.jpg)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 08, 2013, 04:55 AM
Sweet. Like very much this color layout!! Looking forward to see it in flight. Those colors are beautiful in air!  :) :) :)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: spence602 on January 08, 2013, 06:21 AM
Hi. You can download it on
[url]http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar[/url] ([url]http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar[/url])

thank you for hosting it  :), i'm glad to see that many people are interested in the iridium  :)


Is there another doc which has the framing specs for the STD/SUL/UL versions?
I saw your previous note with the 'updated' bridle specs - was there an original set of specs?

Also, in the picasaweb photos, the UL has a spine weight - is that 12 or 72 grams?  :o
What are the spine weights recommended for all 3 versions?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 08, 2013, 08:01 AM
Hi. You can download it on
[url]http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar[/url] ([url]http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar[/url])

thank you for hosting it  :), i'm glad to see that many people are interested in the iridium  :)


Is there another doc which has the framing specs for the STD/SUL/UL versions?
I saw your previous note with the 'updated' bridle specs - was there an original set of specs?

Also, in the picasaweb photos, the UL has a spine weight - is that 12 or 72 grams?  :o
What are the spine weights recommended for all 3 versions?


In the project there is a Pdf with last update measures of bridle and weight configuration. The UL currently has 16g tail ballast to improve backflip stability and make taz machines easier.

The previous doc was referring to older configurations but it got lost when mediafire file hosting service deleted my file.

Anyway the best configuration is the current.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: spence602 on January 08, 2013, 10:15 AM
Anyway the best configuration is the current.
True! 
I found the 'measures' doc in the .rar - I don't know how my eyes missed it!
Thank you.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 08, 2013, 12:13 PM
i thought that putting all measures in a file was a simple way to keep all data ordered, probabily a "readme" file describing the content of the files would be better. Anyway are you planning to build it  :)?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: spence602 on January 09, 2013, 05:57 AM
i thought that putting all measures in a file was a simple way to keep all data ordered, probabily a "readme" file describing the content of the files would be better. Anyway are you planning to build it  :)?
Yes.  It's probably been 4 years since I've built a stunt kite.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: Krijn on January 09, 2013, 10:54 AM
nice one, stephen


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 10, 2013, 05:07 AM
Have you tried the kite ?  :) , impressions?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on January 10, 2013, 09:55 AM
No flight time yet... The rain has been harsh here in Seattle for the last week or so.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: chilese on January 10, 2013, 02:31 PM
Feel free to send any of those beauties to Las Vegas for

some air time.  :) :P


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: spence602 on January 24, 2013, 01:12 PM
On the 'kite parts' layout (where each panel is separated to provide a cutting pattern), it would be beneficial to see the markings for: US/Spine and LS/Spine reenforcements, standoff location(s), mylar overlay location(s), and LE markings for the US/LS/yoyo stoppers.

Just a suggestion for future plans...


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on January 25, 2013, 11:47 AM
Thank you for the advice :-) i usually delete them but next time i will leave them in place :-)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on April 14, 2013, 09:35 PM
Spent a little bit of time with my UL today... Really enjoyed it and how well it performed with very low wind.  May need to build a standard now!


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on April 16, 2013, 04:27 PM
Wrong discussion??  :D


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on April 16, 2013, 04:30 PM
Spent a little bit of time with my UL today... Really enjoyed it and how well it performed with very low wind.  May need to build a standard now!

I hope to see a video soon  ;D and a review  ;)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on April 17, 2013, 02:28 PM
I didn't understand how the tranformer sul is related to the iridum UL  :)


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: photogbill on April 18, 2013, 02:57 PM
You generous kite designers are 'killing' me! ....LOL

I'm currently working on a couple 'Magnets' ...with plans already in the preliminary stage of building an 'Essence' ....now your going to 'make' me build another great kite! ....LOL

Like others have already mentioned, in all seriousness ...you guys are generous to share so many excellent kite building plans for those of us who like to be creative and have the time & skills to build our own kites! Much appreciated! Thanks!

Edit: Whoops...I guess I spoke too soon! Maybe I won't be building one of these. None of the links in this thread work for downloading the build plans for the Iridiam! Does anyone have a working link for the kite plans?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on April 18, 2013, 03:10 PM
http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar (http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar)

This should link you to a .rar folder.  You may need to find software to expand it.


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: photogbill on April 18, 2013, 03:15 PM
[url]http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar[/url] ([url]http://www.stuntkitepalermo.com/Iridium.rar[/url])

This should link you to a .rar folder.  You may need to find software to expand it.


Thanks but all I get is a blank page with a blinking cursor in the web address line. Does my having a Mac & using Safari have anything to do with it?


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: photogbill on April 18, 2013, 03:20 PM
OK....I got it! I didn't realize that clicking on the link automatically downloaded the file to my 'downloads' folder until going to the web site and trying the links there. Turns out I ended up with 6 downloads of the .rar file and my Stuffit Expander worked fine with expanding the compressed file!

Thanks for the help!


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: sugarbaker on April 18, 2013, 05:19 PM
Keep us posted on your progress.  I'd love to see other color schemes and get some ideas for when I build a Std version. 


Title: Re: Iridium Trick Kite
Post by: KiteChemist on April 19, 2013, 03:27 AM
I would be glad to see a video of the kite  ;)