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Title: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: Brosenberger on October 25, 2011, 03:31 PM
As most know, I'm still VERY new to this sport but I am finding that every day out, every small breeze puts a smile on my face.  With the fun comes new skills not only with flying but with repair.

I recently treated myself to a Prism Zephyr and I love it.  I've had a few problems with it but I was able to not only fix them but also learn a bit more about the construction of a kite.  In both situations the problem was with a Male framing piece.  It seems that the male adaptor is glued inside a regular frame rod and I have problems with them coming lose.  The first one was the male lower spreader which is a very visible pieces.  A little bit of super glue and my kite was back in the air.  The second piece was not so easy.  I had the male leading edge come unglued.  After about an hour of wondering how to get to it (since it's concealed in fabric), I figured out how to slip it all the way out the bottom.  I then reglued the male adaptor and put everything back together.  This process not only made me MUCH more comfortable with the construction of the kite but also with self confidence of fixing things that may go wrong.

I am now onto my next problem.  Today while out in a beautiful 9mph wind, I got a gust of what felt like it had to be 20+mph.  It pulled the kite so hard that both of my arms went to full extension, it snapped my 65x90# right line and snapped my male lower spreader right where it passes through the center T.  I'm not sure if it was ground impact or wind stress that broke the spreader but it is at this point unfixable.

I was able to retie my line to fix that but it is about 2 inches shorter now.  My next step is to order a new male lower spreader and I should be good.

I have another kite that is in need of repair.  While flying my zeph a few days ago, I let my brother use my Skydog Dream On.  After a few loops he lawn darted into the ground and shattered the spine in half.  At this point I need to find out where to get the replacement spine.  So far I am unable to find one.

Thanks for reading and feedback,
Brad


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: sunsetflyers on October 25, 2011, 03:45 PM
what size rod for spine our host could possibly get for you if not let me know i have many rods and kite parts


         steve


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: Brosenberger on October 25, 2011, 03:59 PM
Well, that's my other problem, Can I just measure it end to end or is there a diameter that you need? also, is it worth trying to find lighter replacements to eventually end up with a lighter kite?

Brad


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: ko on October 25, 2011, 05:32 PM
steve@gwtwkites.comare host will fix you up


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: dihongshao2000 on October 25, 2011, 08:08 PM
As most know, I'm still VERY new to this sport but I am finding that every day out, every small breeze puts a smile on my face.  With the fun comes new skills not only with flying but with repair.

I recently treated myself to a Prism Zephyr and I love it.  I've had a few problems with it but I was able to not only fix them but also learn a bit more about the construction of a kite.  In both situations the problem was with a Male framing piece.  It seems that the male adaptor is glued inside a regular frame rod and I have problems with them coming lose.  The first one was the male lower spreader which is a very visible pieces.  A little bit of super glue and my kite was back in the air.  The second piece was not so easy.  I had the male leading edge come unglued.  After about an hour of wondering how to get to it (since it's concealed in fabric), I figured out how to slip it all the way out the bottom.  I then reglued the male adaptor and put everything back together.  This process not only made me MUCH more comfortable with the construction of the kite but also with self confidence of fixing things that may go wrong.

I am now onto my next problem.  Today while out in a beautiful 9mph wind, I got a gust of what felt like it had to be 20+mph.  It pulled the kite so hard that both of my arms went to full extension, it snapped my 65x90# right line and snapped my male lower spreader right where it passes through the center T.  I'm not sure if it was ground impact or wind stress that broke the spreader but it is at this point unfixable.

I was able to retie my line to fix that but it is about 2 inches shorter now.  My next step is to order a new male lower spreader and I should be good.

I have another kite that is in need of repair.  While flying my zeph a few days ago, I let my brother use my Skydog Dream On.  After a few loops he lawn darted into the ground and shattered the spine in half.  At this point I need to find out where to get the replacement spine.  So far I am unable to find one.

Thanks for reading and feedback,
Brad
You can order parts from Prism directly for your Prism Zephyr: 
links to non sponsors are not allowed here........


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: ko on October 25, 2011, 09:08 PM
yeah so instead of using are sponsor he can pay shipping for 2 orders makes sense to me


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: mikenchico on October 25, 2011, 11:05 PM
The specs I found say 6mm carbon, the .2400 pultruded carbon (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=121) should be a suitable replacement for what may be a Chinese produced spar. Steve here at GWTW / Chico Kites should be able to confirm that and provide a repalcement, looks like about $5.

As far as replacing spars with lighter spars I wouldn't attempt to do it a piece at a time. If you really want to try to lighten it up I would look into a full reframe using Skyshark P200's. You could replace the spine at this time with a Skyshark P300 which should be as stiff or stiffer then the stock 6mm spine but it will probably require modifying or replacing the center T.



Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: Ca Ike on October 26, 2011, 02:00 AM
If it was just the ferrule that broke you can replace it and there are several ways to remove a broken ferrule.  THe easiest is to get a 6mm drill bit and drill out the old ferrule but make sure to drill straight and centered.  Using a vice to hold the rod helps.

Best t hing to do is contact Steve and have  him send you a new male LS for your Zeph and spine for your dream on.  YOu can always try and save your old spreader for a spare but the first time you try and remove a broken ferrule you have a good change to break the spar so get a replacement first then try and save the old one :)


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: madhabitz on October 27, 2011, 12:16 AM
Can I just say..... it would be a really good thing to give Steve a call, because talking with him is amazing. He's a heck of a nice guy and conversations with him are really fun. Aside from the cool-factor, while talking with him he'll come up with a gazillion ideas to help you do your repair jobs.

Also, before this conversation, check out the website (chicokites.com) to see if there's anything else you might want to order. If you put together an order for $25 or more, he'll ship everything for free. AND it's really fast. If there's something you want and you don't see it on the site, ask! He'll either be able to get it for you or know where you can go to get it.

just sayin'


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: kitelover on October 27, 2011, 08:19 AM
Kurt,

ARE you trying to offend OUR spelling police?


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: Ca Ike on October 27, 2011, 01:22 PM
I should add this little tid bit.  I've set my zeph on the light wind knot and haven't moved it at all but I rarely fly mine in more than 5-8 mph


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: Steven L Hall on October 27, 2011, 02:23 PM
Thanks everyone ... Brad and I are getting an order together.


Title: Re: Not has hard as I thought it would be
Post by: ko on October 27, 2011, 05:38 PM
Kurt,

ARE you trying to offend OUR spelling police?
abssolutlee.. and brad,you are in good hands