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Title: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Adamld13 on December 07, 2011, 09:48 PM
Really guys and gals...Is shipping to Canada that much of a pain?
Like ive said many times in the past its such a shame to have such a great forum
with nobody wanting to ship out of the states :'(
Im wondering if fellow flyers who have shipped north can give some feedback as far
as what they have experienced? Is it really a pain or merely myth?

Thnx!


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: tpatter on December 07, 2011, 10:55 PM
I've shipped a few to Canada, Italy, and France with no issues other than having to fill out a customs form which only takes a few minutes.  Well, that, and deciphering a French address in order to fill out the form!  :)

As long as the buyer is willing to cover the additional shipping cost, Ive had no problems or issues at all.

I usually ship USPS Priority International.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Smeagol on December 07, 2011, 11:03 PM
+1

I've shipped to the UK, South Korea, Singapore, etc.  No issues whatsoever except maybe odd size restrictions depending on where it's going.

As long as the extra cost is covered it's no problem.

-Mike


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: indigo_wolf on December 08, 2011, 04:14 AM
I have shipped items to Canada for friends that wanted items that would have been prohibitive for them to have mailed from retailers who only used FedEx or UPS.... shipped USPS International Priority without any problem.

FWIW: It is next to impossible to get folks to ship kites they are selling on other forums from the UK to the US.  I have been told flat out that they don't trust the mail system on their side to botch things.   There have been a few kites that I have been unable to get as a result.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: thief on December 08, 2011, 09:40 AM
 i have shipped to a number of countries without serious issues.....Canada what i have noticed is that customs like to hold onto things for a bit of time.....
but i would have no reserve in shipping to you, just plan on the time lag..

Receiving from the UK: i get boxes from the UK every couple of months without any issues as well.....hmm...


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Zach on December 08, 2011, 09:46 AM
To be fair, most listing say "Free shipping ConUS"

not "no shipping outside of the US"

it's the "free" that's the key.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: B-13 on December 08, 2011, 10:24 AM
i bought all of my kites from Steve except the first one before i knew him. I am far far faaaarrrrr away from the US and all my kites, parts ans accessories arrived safely. Shipping to Mauritius cost me more than USD30 for a kite  :( but that's the price to pay if you want service.
I'm sure everyone is willing to ship anywhere on earth but buyer is to cover shipping of course


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Adamld13 on December 08, 2011, 10:42 AM
Yes Zach you are right. I wrote this post because of my first hand experiences buying kites on the forum, not just observing the swap meet. Some people do have conus yet are still willing to ship as Long as I cover the costs, others act as If shipping to Canada involves weeks of paper work and inevitable problems during shipping. I have worked out deals but as soon as the person find out I'm In Canada they immediately lose interest. That's why now I immediately start by telling a person where Im located. In my experience more often than not conus means the seller doesn't want to ship out of the states.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: onlye on December 08, 2011, 10:43 AM
I believe when a poster says CONUS it is based on not knowing what to expect.

Maybe 10 kites shipped to Canada with only one problem shipment.  The drawbacks are:

*It is more expensive
*Customs form is a minor pain
*USPS is only affordable option.  ( when I checked a couple times Fed-Ex/UPS were more than twice the cost)
*When insured the values of insurance and custom form should match - meaning exposure or more taxes for the Canadian recipient
*Delivery takes longer and can't estimate the arrival
*Due to USPS no tracking of package available
*Regular kite swappers have a general idea of US USPS cost, don't know what to expect for International cost

All in all not a total deal killer but I prefer to ship inside the US.   Usually agree to non US shipping for a forum member with some history here.

Have shipped to Singapore and a couple other countries without issue.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Adamld13 on December 08, 2011, 10:54 AM
B-13,

Yes you would def think that location shouldn't matter but I def have missed out on at
least 5-6 kites that I can think of because of my location. Also I have only been active on this forum for maybe a year or so. It could just be my luck too I guess. Maybe to balance this thread out we will hear from some people who don't like shipping out of the states and what stories they have.

Thnx!


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Danno419 on December 08, 2011, 12:37 PM
I believe when a poster says CONUS it is based on not knowing what to expect.

Maybe 10 kites shipped to Canada with only one problem shipment.  The drawbacks are:

*It is more expensive
*Customs form is a minor pain
*USPS is only affordable option.  ( when I checked a couple times Fed-Ex/UPS were more than twice the cost)
*When insured the values of insurance and custom form should match - meaning exposure or more taxes for the Canadian recipient
*Delivery takes longer and can't estimate the arrival
*Due to USPS no tracking of package available
*Regular kite swappers have a general idea of US USPS cost, don't know what to expect for International cost

All in all not a total deal killer but I prefer to ship inside the US.   Usually agree to non US shipping for a forum member with some history here.

Have shipped to Singapore and a couple other countries without issue.


*its more expensive - only slightly and it would be expected for the buyer to pay any additional cost.
*customs form is a minor pain - which part? - the declaration of what the item is, the value or name & address?... i do believe you would have to fill out the exact same info, should you insure a domestic shipment
*When insured the values of insurance and custom form should match - meaning exposure or more taxes for the Canadian recipient - Mark it as a gift - no additional cost to anyone. (outside of actual cost of insurance)
*Delivery takes longer and can't estimate the arrival - It is going across a border - only hold up would be customs clearance.... but if you arent adding a kilo of this or that, it would only be a couple of days, max
*Due to USPS no tracking of package available - there certainly is tracking available, in fact its standard on priority shipping. (note: If using USPS or Canadapost, both do share tracking systems to some degree, so you can track the same package from either website)
*Regular kite swappers have a general idea of US USPS cost, don't know what to expect for International cost - Add approx $10 - with postal codes or zip codes, quoting shipping cost is easy. (excluding rural or remote areas)

The only difference between between domestic US shipping and shipping from US to Canada or visa/versa is the 8 words and the few numbers you would have to write... and of course the additional (small) cost.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: thief on December 08, 2011, 02:24 PM
I believe when a poster says CONUS it is based on not knowing what to expect.

Maybe 10 kites shipped to Canada with only one problem shipment.  The drawbacks are:

*It is more expensive
*Customs form is a minor pain
*USPS is only affordable option.  ( when I checked a couple times Fed-Ex/UPS were more than twice the cost)
*When insured the values of insurance and custom form should match - meaning exposure or more taxes for the Canadian recipient
*Delivery takes longer and can't estimate the arrival
*Due to USPS no tracking of package available
*Regular kite swappers have a general idea of US USPS cost, don't know what to expect for International cost

All in all not a total deal killer but I prefer to ship inside the US.   Usually agree to non US shipping for a forum member with some history here.

Have shipped to Singapore and a couple other countries without issue.


  • well, of course it is going to be more expensive....more than one shipping service is invloved..everyone wants their piece of pie!
  • Customs form are done for me via USPS ship on line-i do not even have to sign them
  • Generally if you are shipping something insured is when the other shipping options are no longer cost effective
  • They should match if you actually care about the item in there...i have had customers that requested not insuring the package and lowering the value on the form-but that is their choice
  • When something is sitting in customs and the location is unknown that sucks, but they do tell you when it is delivered at the least.....
  • you can track the package to the border?!?!?!? ;)
  • USPS.com has a great tool (as does Fedex and UPS too) the "shipping quote" tool....you can get a real good idea of what it is going to cost....i also strongly push opening up USPS&UPS&Fedex accounts, even if you are shipping one thing a year, it can get you %ed shipping costs!

My sales generally include shipping costs in the Continental US...if an international buyer appears i will discount the shipping costs by the internal US fees so that they are offered the same basic discount that the US members are...
Ask a friend! talk to your friends to see if anyone is crossing the border anytime soon...hand carrying something in and then shipping in the same country is cheaper!   Facebook connects you to LOTS of people who travel all of the time!!!

Just my thoughts and experiences shipping kites for over 10 years......


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Smeagol on December 08, 2011, 02:36 PM
I've actually been told on several occasions (by USPS employees) that there is no tracking once a package leaves the US, one guy even said it was pointless because all you'll see is "parcel arrived in S.F., etc." and that's it.  I know this really depends on the country and how inter-meshed the postal services are, so take it as you will.  I was still able to track even though they said that, but it was very vague and not updated very often.  Still worked though.. eventually. ;)


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: tpatter on December 08, 2011, 02:52 PM
I recently shipped a kite from Seattle to Canada by USPS Prior. Intln. and was told that there is no tracking for items shipped this way.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: thief on December 08, 2011, 04:23 PM
USPS will tell you when it is delivered, but not during the movement in the other country...


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Adamld13 on December 08, 2011, 06:41 PM
Well being the recipient of a kite bought on the forum a tracking number isn't vital for me, ecspecially if it's only coming from the states. If I were to post a kite on the forum I would think that somebody from the US would end up buying it. I would face the exact same things shipping south, it's just part of selling my kite. But who knows if there was more than just a handful of Canadians on this forum I might want to just ship locally too! Haha. For those people willing to go the extra mile and ship wherever I appreciate your time!

Thnx!


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: B-13 on December 08, 2011, 07:16 PM
No one coming to Mauritius island???  ::)

Can handle some kites to him and hand carry them for me  ;)



Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: onlye on December 09, 2011, 06:37 AM
Customs form are done for me via USPS ship on line-i do not even have to sign them

USPS.com has a great tool (as does Fedex and UPS too) the "shipping quote" tool....you can get a real good idea of what it is going to cost....i also strongly push opening up USPS&UPS&Fedex accounts, even if you are shipping one thing a year, it can get you %ed shipping costs

Thanks for the tips on USPS  online.  Will give it a look. 


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Danno419 on December 09, 2011, 07:54 AM
USPS will tell you when it is delivered, but not during the movement in the other country...


If shipping with USPS - once it crosses the border, track it using same tracking # at the Canadapost website.
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Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: quincy on December 09, 2011, 10:17 AM
I have received 6-7 items shipped to Canada. Steve ships to me no problem. Ken McNeill and several other retailers, no problem. And I have bought kites privately. Again, no issues.

There is an added cost and I pay it. The seller and I agree on the amount in advance. Sometimes the seller goes to the post office, mails the package and then e-mails me the amount I owe. I hit PayPal with the payment. That involves some trust on the seller's part but kite fliers are friends. Some are just friends I haven't met in person, yet.

USPS Priority Mail is trackable. From the Canada Post website, I can see when it was entered into the USPS system, when it was delivered to USPS, its route to the Canadian port of entry, I can see exactly how long the item waits for customs clearance and when it is on the truck for delivery.

For small items, insurance is not an issue. For large items that are insured, I want the customs and insurance forms to agree. I am going to pay tax (not duty - kites are exempt as toys). That is figured into my estimate of what I am spending for the item. If Canadian Customs (CBSA) decides you are trying to game the system, your name goes into the system FOREVER. The sheer volume of stuff that crosses their desks everyday means you will probably get away with it. But if you hit the jackpot..... Just remember all those little computer screens the CBSA agents look at everytime you cross the border.

Shipping from the US to Canada is not a problem.


Title: Re: CONUS CONUS CONUS :(
Post by: Adamld13 on December 09, 2011, 04:46 PM
Thanxs Quincy!
Good to hear you have had no issues! ;D