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Title: A Trick Question
Post by: DWayne on May 07, 2009, 06:26 AM
I was out flying my new Talon Vent yesterday afternoon in a wind of about 15 mph. I had no real trouble hitting yo-fades but couldn't get a crazy copter to save my life. WTF??? Its the same rotation right? Why can I hit one and not the other?
FWIW I can get crazy copters out of my standard and UL Talon.


Denny


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: RonG on May 07, 2009, 01:05 PM
The rotation is the same in that both involve rotating around the pitch axis, but they're initiated quite differently.  A crazy copter also has to spin, which a yo-fade does not.


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: Steve Hall on May 07, 2009, 01:16 PM
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Why can I hit one and not the other
Because you're flying at night?

Or did you mean that this was a question about a trick?

 ;)


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: DWayne on May 07, 2009, 05:19 PM
The rotation is the same in that both involve rotating around the pitch axis, but they're initiated quite differently.  A crazy copter also has to spin, which a yo-fade does not.

One is done flying up and the other is done flying down, but the inputs are the same. Rock the nose back then pop it forward so it rotates forward through the lines.
Why does it rotate when flying down but not when flying up?


Denny


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: King-J on May 07, 2009, 06:01 PM
Right on you got your vented 8) I'm still out a week or so to even start on my UL :(
Been out a couple of times and starting to get some nice Flic-Flacs and then into a fade, wind wasn't to kind to me today, up flying in the middle of the window, 5 minutes later watched the kite get blown over my head, 180 deg change in a instant :o


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: portley777 on May 07, 2009, 10:07 PM
  I'm sure its just a wind-speed timing issue. Just speed the pop and slack situation. I managed to get them happening after Adrian showed me how easy it is on this kite. But it is a bit more difficult in higher winds~ timing wise. I had a ball the other day pulling them off on my battered Nirvana in light winds. You'll get them down soon enough I'm sure;)

Cheers,
Mike


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: DWayne on May 08, 2009, 06:42 AM
Thanks Mike, that makes sense. Thinking about it I'm rather sure my inputs on the yo-fade come in more rapid succession than they do on the crazy copter.
I'll give it another try here in a bit. I got good winds for it this morning.  8)


Denny


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: DWayne on May 08, 2009, 06:51 AM
wind wasn't to kind to me today, up flying in the middle of the window, 5 minutes later watched the kite get blown over my head, 180 deg change in a instant :o

aahh, the wonderful world of inland flying.  :D


Denny


Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: mikenchico on May 08, 2009, 01:10 PM
I hate it when that happens ... unless you got a good pinwheel setup just before, then it's impressive  ;D



Title: Re: A Trick Question
Post by: DWayne on May 10, 2009, 10:52 AM
You were right Mike. It was just a matter of getting the timing right. I managed to squeeze a couple Crazy Copters out this morning. And a couple Taz machines, which I hadn't been able to get on this kite before this morning.
Of the 3, this is going to be the hardest one for me to get the hang of. On the bright side, it does give away insane cascades.  8)


Denny