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Title: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: DD on April 19, 2012, 07:43 PM
I'm working on a gemini overhaul pimpin. Found i had a crossactive bridle to replace the original and was looking at the benson site and saw it now comes with a tristar active. Any compare or contrast?


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: Ca Ike on April 19, 2012, 09:50 PM
personally I like the original crossover active bridle compared to the cross active.  Kite just feels lighter on the lines, more responsive and smoother to me.  WHen I changed to the cross active it totally changed the feel of the kite some tricks were easier but the overall feel of the kite is heavier and a bit sluggish.  Keep in mind though mine is a first generation.  The feel is going to be different if  you update it to the skyshark frame.


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 19, 2012, 09:56 PM
Go for the Tristar.

It's the bridle the Gem has been waiting for all these years, better in every way than anything previous to it.

It's also nice that Andy got around to doing a tristar active for the Gem. It is, after all, the original active design.

Seriously better in every category.

No contest.

Except no substitutes.

Or wooden nickels...


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 19, 2012, 09:59 PM
Just to add, as Ike brought it up, stick with the Structil frame if you can.

It's flies better than the SkyShark frame IMO.


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: Ca Ike on April 19, 2012, 10:19 PM
Go for the Tristar.

It's the bridle the Gem has been waiting for all these years, better in every way than anything previous to it.

It's also nice that Andy got around to doing a tristar active for the Gem. It is, after all, the original active design.

Seriously better in every category.

No contest.

Except no substitutes.

Or wooden nickels...
  IT should have a similar feel to the Crossover active since they are in a sense the same concept.  Active on all three bridle legs instead of just 2.  ONce I Get some other projects done I'll be making a tristar for mine to try out.


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 19, 2012, 10:22 PM
OTOH, I'm sort of down on updating kites these days.

Better to keep them original as documents of their times IMO.


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: Ca Ike on April 19, 2012, 10:41 PM
Yea if at all possible.  Even Tim prefers the structil Gem to the skyshark gem but what can ya do when parts  are no longer available.  An update to the gem was necessary.


Title: Re: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: DD on April 20, 2012, 07:13 AM
I have two gems and want to change one and not the other. They both have the bridle that preceded the cross active. Was that the crossover?


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 20, 2012, 07:49 AM
Yes. The cross over was the original bridle for the Gem.

If the bridle bends around itself on either side, it's the cross over.

I'm digging around looking for a picture.

No luck yet.



Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 20, 2012, 08:27 AM
Thanks skb. ;)


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: coogee on April 20, 2012, 05:28 PM
+1 on Jim's advice for the Gem.
 Mike


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 20, 2012, 09:31 PM
This is probably a good review to read if you are updating:

http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/wordpress-3.0/wordpress/tag/gemini (http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/wordpress-3.0/wordpress/tag/gemini)


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: Ca Ike on April 21, 2012, 09:03 PM
Hey JIm or SKB.  IF one of you guys would be so kind as to PM me measurements for the crossover active bridle so I can make a replacement I would appreciate it.

Anthony


Title: Re: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: DD on April 22, 2012, 06:06 AM
I can do that. Do you want the cross active as well?


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: misterbleepy on April 22, 2012, 01:01 PM
Details on the Gemini cross active bridle here if you need them:

http://wardley.org/kites/bridle/xactive.html (http://wardley.org/kites/bridle/xactive.html)


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: harveystubbs on April 22, 2012, 03:01 PM
Order one direct from Tim and save yourself some time !!!! Post shoudn't be too much 8)


Title: Re: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: Ca Ike on April 22, 2012, 09:33 PM
I can do that. Do you want the cross active as well?
No I have a cross active on it now.  I want to revert it back to original.

Order one direct from Tim and save yourself some time !!!! Post shoudn't be too much 8)
  I asked TIm but he didn't have the original crossover bridle specs on hand at the time and offered the cross active instead.

I'm going to be a nut and experiment with all 3 bridles to see which I think works best, for me at least.


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: zippy8 on April 26, 2012, 02:10 PM
OTOH, I'm sort of down on updating kites these days.

Better to keep them original as documents of their times IMO.

Retrogrouch  :-[

If you'd like to head in completely the opposite direction and having a smattering of German then this (http://www.snapstall.de/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=1&Itemid=55) may be relevant to your interests - Pimp Your Gem with Andy Wardley.
 (http://www.snapstall.de/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=1&Itemid=55)
Mike.


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: DD on April 26, 2012, 03:20 PM
I have been looking at the pimping page.
Side note: For those wanting a page translated i recommend http://translate.google.com/ (http://translate.google.com/)
Any source for roll bar material?


Title: Re: gemini cross active vs tristar active
Post by: JimB on April 26, 2012, 08:52 PM
Tim sells rollbars and the requisite fittings separately.