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Title: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 23, 2012, 10:38 AM
Hi,

I just now realised I'm less than a month away from my birthday, hurray!  :D

So I thought I could move one step further and start expanding my "bag of kites" (currently I only have only two so, more than a "bag of kites" I have "two kites in a bag...")  ;)

I was thinking I could get me a UL or an SUL to be able to fly in days when wind is scarce.

I currently have a Soul but I've read it is hard to get a UL Soul.

So I was thinking on getting the UL (or SUL) of another type of kite; but which!?!?

I will involve all my family in this "co-operative" birthday gift so I guess price could go up to $300 (or a bit more if needed).

I'm only doubtful about one point. I have the impression that if you are used to flying a std kite the UL (or SUL) should be of the same type. So I don't know whether I'll be doing a silly thing by buying a different type UL/SUL kite.

So any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: chilese on April 23, 2012, 12:16 PM
For the money, the

Shadow UL (almost an SUL)

is an excellent choice.

Extremely tricky for its light weight.

Does need a bridle adjust in my opinion.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FvSwqJZcC1Q/TAMh7UosLkI/AAAAAAAAbgQ/UcEB_zNdaTA/s800/9478%2520Shadow%25202%2520Blue.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2010Kites#5477258874848030274)


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Hadge on April 23, 2012, 01:22 PM
+1 for the Shadow, it's a great kite for the money and will fly from a genuine 1.5 mph, great chill out kite. Loves the rotational stuff but yoyo's need a certain touch. It can be a bit twitchy compared to a standard kite and needs a light touch to get the best from it.

One tip if you get one, rub a little bees wax on the bridle knots as the bridle is made from dyneema flying line and the knots can slip.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 24, 2012, 02:54 PM
Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion.

The guys at my local store said the Shadow is more of an std designed in the fashion of a UL... They say it is rather a low-mid range UL kite.
This puzzled me...

They suggested the Level One Jumping Jack Flash UL.
What do you think? How does it compare to the Shadow?

What about the Silver Fox 2.5 UL? I would continue with a Flying Wings kite...

And what about a higher end kite so I start building my way up to higher range kites? (of course I don't want to spend all my money in one go...)

Thanks,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Hadge on April 24, 2012, 03:18 PM
The Shadow is definately a proper UL and near a SUL, I regularly fly mine in 2mph or maybe a little less and I fly inland. There are kites that will fly lower but the problem you can get with very light SUL's is that they can be difficult to trick because of their lack of weight. They can also be rather fragile using expensive superlight spars. The Shadow is very tricky for it's weight and the frame is 4mm pultruded carbon and DT12, it's also pretty tough, I've only broken one spar in 3 years and I didn't notice that until the end when I packed up.

I don't know what the JJF will do, but the Shadow will certainly fly lower than the Silver Fox UL which is more of a light standard.  Just remember flying SUL's is a very different technique to flying standard kites.

Higher winds? well there a lot of vented kites out there but while the venting can take a lot of the pull away it can also effect the performance of the kite. Some folks prefer a standard with some sort of wind brakes on them, other use a Revolution.

If the wind gets really silly then I just hook up the Delta Hawk to a set of 35m 110kg lines and hang on! ;D


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on April 24, 2012, 03:49 PM
I love my fox 2.5 ul.
It is a lil heavy for a ul but it's a lot lighter than your soul.
It's nice how big and slow it is ...great for learning.
Plus its very reasonably priced.

The problem with a true sul is most of them don't like to take a beating.
In my honest opinion If your still doing the odd faceplant it's best to pick up a ul.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: ko on April 24, 2012, 05:27 PM
SHADOW or spend alot more


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 24, 2012, 11:42 PM
Wow, thanks Hadge, Adamld13 & KO.

OK, so I see I will not go for an SUL. That's clear.

So, it seems the Shadow is the one, I guess. Although I don't like its pattern and colors much, but I'm learning that "looks" are less important than "flies"...

Hadge I didn't express myself correctly. When I said a higher end kite I didn't mean higher end in the wind range (so not a vented) but rather higher price range but still referring to a UL (although I take good note about the HQ Delta Hawk   ;)   ).

So in this regard, KO, what would be "a lot more" in price and which UL kites would those be?

Thanks!

N.

Perhaps I could post a "Wanted" here in the forum and get a second hand UL? (what do y'all think?)


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Hadge on April 25, 2012, 01:30 AM

Hadge I didn't express myself correctly. When I said a higher end kite I didn't mean higher end in the wind range (so not a vented) but rather higher price range but still referring to a UL (although I take good note about the HQ Delta Hawk   ;)   ).

So in this regard, KO, what would be "a lot more" in price and which UL kites would those be?

Thanks!

N.

Sorry, I misunderstood you there.  There are some really nice UL's out there and others can probably advise you better than me, but the Talon UL is supposed to be a very nice tricky kite and The Fearless has a lot of fans too. Maybe some of the others can give you a few more to think about but for performance/price the Shadow is hard to beat.

( By the way the Delta Hawk doesn't trick, but it's a lot of fun when the wind is howling!!)


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Flying Fish on April 25, 2012, 01:52 AM
+1 on the Talon UL  ;D


Title: Re: One step further: UL {or SUL ? ... and which?!} --> Talon UL?
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 25, 2012, 03:06 AM
Yeah! The Talon UL sounds great!
And I like its design a lot!

It is more expensive than the Shadow but it's within price range for me.

Any more "+1"s on this one?

Any potential difficulties in flying a Talon UL as opposed to a Shadow (after having flown only a FW Soul STD) ?

Thanks again,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Hadge on April 25, 2012, 03:06 AM
Talon UL

Jest of Eve Talon UL slack-line mix (8/26/10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2jHF1ALIQ#ws)

Talon SUL

tsul movie.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwHNiJY3vw#)

And you can pick your colours!

http://jestofevekites.com/talon.htm (http://jestofevekites.com/talon.htm)


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Hadge on April 25, 2012, 03:10 AM
No problem with flying the Talon, everyone I've spoken to who has one loves them, but beware of the colouriser on JOE website!....you can spend DAYS deciding on your colour scheme!! :D

The UL might be a better choice for you as it has more range and th SUL needs a very light touch.


Title: Re: One step further: UL {or SUL ? ... and which?!} --> DS UL?
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 25, 2012, 06:00 AM
Looks Great!  :)

And... to "mess things up" just a little more...   ;)
how would the Talon compare to the Deep Space UL by Benson Kites?
(Perhaps Adamld13 can provide feedback...)

I promise this is the last one I bring into the equation.   ::)

Thanks,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Danno419 on April 25, 2012, 06:49 AM
I've flown Adams DS ul - its pretty darned tricky - backspin monster... really nice.
Talon UL is my fav kite, hands down.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Kantaxel on April 25, 2012, 07:43 AM
The Shadow was a breakthrough kite for me and I still own one. First kite I could ever multi-lazy.........It is a bit challlenging when you are heavy handed though.  One comparison, other than price, between the Talon UL and the Shadow is the Talon's turtle tends to be shallow in comparison to a lot of other kites, requiring quick inputs once on it's back.
One other is the Shadow will definitely fly lower than the T UL.  Of course, the more skills one has the less important that becomes.......For my money the Shadow is the one that will take you a long way towards your goals as a tricker.

Jim


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on April 25, 2012, 10:35 AM
The ds ul and talon ul are pretty similar in my opinion.
I do agree that the talons turtle isn't ecspecially deep.
Both kites are still very capable.

If your deciding between a ds and talon just get the one that appeals more to you visually.
Or maybe let the price decide...the talon will prob run you a bit more.

I have yet to fly a shadow but it seems many people are pleased with it.
The only negative thing I've heard about it is it likes precise inputs.
The trouble with all Of this comparing is everybody has their own preferences.
Chances are you won't know if you like something till you fly it..better start collecting haha.






Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: jaydub on April 25, 2012, 12:35 PM
The DS UL is a flat spin monster, but is a bit more challenging in the pitch direction.  Flic-flacs and JLs in particular required  an adjustment in technique, at least for me.  It certainly needs plenty of slack for the nose to come round into the fade.

The Talon UL is more consistent in terms of the way it flies.  Only had limited time on it, so difficult to draw that much comparison.

In many ways they are like their standard siblings, the DS has the emphasis on the spin axis and the Talon on the pitch axis.

Can't go wrong with either.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: tpatter on April 25, 2012, 05:38 PM
If you like the Soul, I'd go for the UL version if you can.

To me, the DS and Shadow are more free-flowing, keep it moving sorts of kites.  The Talon less so from what I recall of flying one, but still along those lines.  I've only flown a Soul briefly, but I recall it feeling more stable and slower.

If you already like the kite and just want one that flys in less wind, then why not go that way if you can?  If you want more variety, then any of these would provide that I suppose.

Just my 2 cents.



Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: st3307 on April 25, 2012, 09:01 PM
Well  if  ya  wnat a  very  nice  Trick   UL     all  I   can say  is  Ocius  UL  by  Skyburner


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 26, 2012, 04:11 AM
If you like the Soul, I'd go for the UL version if you can.

To me, the DS and Shadow are more free-flowing, keep it moving sorts of kites.  The Talon less so from what I recall of flying one, but still along those lines.  I've only flown a Soul briefly, but I recall it feeling more stable and slower.

If you already like the kite and just want one that flys in less wind, then why not go that way if you can?  If you want more variety, then any of these would provide that I suppose.

Just my 2 cents.



Thanks tpatter!
Yes, I like the Soul. But, apart from the fact that I've been told it is difficult to get and it is not even advertised in the FW web site, since my experience with kites is short and narrow I did think I would like some variety.

I don't really understand the difference you describe between DS UL & Shadow with respect to Talon UL.
Do you mean they must be more constantly pulled and tugged?

Cheers,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 26, 2012, 04:16 AM
Well  if  ya  wnat a  very  nice  Trick   UL     all  I   can say  is  Ocius  UL  by  Skyburner

Aaaaaahhhhh!!!! One more kite noooooo pleeeeease.... !   ;)
Just kidding.

OK, Skyburner does have excellent reputation and both Ocius and WM seem to be excellent.
I'll consider it but I think I'll probably stick to choosing between Talon UL or Deep Space UL for this time.

But, of course, I still have a long kite flying life ahead of me (I hope)   :)

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: tpatter on April 26, 2012, 01:27 PM

I don't really understand the difference you describe between DS UL & Shadow with respect to Talon UL.
Do you mean they must be more constantly pulled and tugged?

Cheers,

N.

Their flying style is a bit different - if you watch videos of folks flying/tricking the DS in particular (check the VF archives), you get a sense for the pace and tricking style of the kite.  If you are looking for some variety, any of these kites are a good choice. 

I've got a friend who flys nothing but the DS and newer Gem because he feels that other kites don't have the same sort of fluid motion to them.  Others like sharp, angular movement and precision in the kite, sometimes at the cost of things like flat rotational spins.  Then, of course, others like all levels in between - all different styles.


Tom


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: martijn on April 27, 2012, 06:09 AM
if you are used to FW kite as the soul...

maybe it is a suggestion to try or buy a silfer fox UL( 2.3 or 2.5)...some variety, with some equal technique input wise

never flown any of FW kites though...

i owned a DS std.....i liked it...very tricky,but i like bigger movements.....so i stick with my nirvana family ;)
i have flown a Talon UL.... i liked more then my DS.... a little deeper turtle, but for me a big pro

whatever you choose....you can't go wrong with any suggested kite, good luck!!!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ca Ike on April 27, 2012, 01:23 PM
if you are used to FW kite as the soul...

maybe it is a suggestion to try or buy a silfer fox UL( 2.3 or 2.5)...some variety, with some equal technique input wise

never flown any of FW kites though...

i owned a DS std.....i liked it...very tricky,but i like bigger movements.....so i stick with my nirvana family ;)
i have flown a Talon UL.... i liked more then my DS.... a little deeper turtle, but for me a big pro

whatever you choose....you can't go wrong with any suggested kite, good luck!!!
BIgger Movenents?  Man Martin it looks like you just twitch and the kite reacts in your vids :P


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 27, 2012, 02:07 PM
Thank you very much to all!

I think I have made up my mind on the Talon UL (for this time).  ;)

So now the difficulty will be on choosing colors (sigh)  ::)
It is already being too difficult!
But I must get a move on since my birthday is coming closer.

Thanks!!!!

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on April 27, 2012, 02:32 PM
I must say im def happy with my clour scheme

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AA-KqA9G8hc/T1luDG6k5LI/AAAAAAAAAXY/pNT8i9auOXY/s720/Picture%2520006.jpg)

I was going to get the mustard yellow but went back to ole trusty orange at the last second.

Maybe post some ideas...Im sure we would all love to see them!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Gamelord on April 27, 2012, 03:43 PM
We've got some Talon UL's in stock. :)


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Hadge on April 27, 2012, 03:52 PM
Great choice! I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Most people who buy them love their Talon's and secondhand ones are very rare. I believe JOE have a TV channel where you can see your kite being made.

.....I did warn you about the colouriser!  ;)......


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: ko on April 27, 2012, 07:05 PM
Take Kent up on his offer and you wont have to wait  and even better you wont go blind with the colorizer!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 28, 2012, 02:04 AM
Hey! But the colourizer is is darn fun!
And I'm a frustrated designer so I have already been doing some tests (not showable yet...  ;)  )

One question:

I see that Adamld13 has chosen a symmetrical layout. However, most Talons are asymmetric.
So what do you guys recommend?

Asymmetry is said to help in flying, but I'm still not too sure about it...

Cheers,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 28, 2012, 02:21 AM
We've got some Talon UL's in stock. :)

Despite what I said in the previous post I sent you a PM.
Cheers,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ca Ike on April 28, 2012, 02:28 AM
Ara just go for what looks good to you.  No matter what people say it all boils down to what YOU like (or in benson kites case what you like and the builder agres to do :P) .  I've heard it from many fliers over the years, if you can't tell which way the nose is pointing then Nothing will help you fly.  Panel layout and colors are just for looks and nothing more.  THis whole bit about asymetrical layout making it easier to tell what side is what is just another thing to add to the personal preference list.  Play with the colorizers until you find something that makes you say "ooooo i like that"  then stop and order it.  Its just that simple.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: martijn on April 28, 2012, 04:01 AM
if you are used to FW kite as the soul...

maybe it is a suggestion to try or buy a silfer fox UL( 2.3 or 2.5)...some variety, with some equal technique input wise

never flown any of FW kites though...

i owned a DS std.....i liked it...very tricky,but i like bigger movements.....so i stick with my nirvana family ;)
i have flown a Talon UL.... i liked more then my DS.... a little deeper turtle, but for me a big pro

whatever you choose....you can't go wrong with any suggested kite, good luck!!!
BIgger Movenents?  Man Martin it looks like you just twitch and the kite reacts in your vids :P

uhmm i don't believe you have seen me flying, caues i don't have any footage online yet...or do we have a miscommunication here?


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on April 29, 2012, 07:27 AM
Hey! But the colourizer is is darn fun!
And I'm a frustrated designer so I have already been doing some tests (not showable yet...  ;)  )

One question:

I see that Adamld13 has chosen a symmetrical layout. However, most Talons are asymmetric.
So what do you guys recommend?

Asymmetry is said to help in flying, but I'm still not too sure about it...

Cheers,

N.

Ara,
Personally I'm not a big fan of asymmetrical kites but if you look closer at my talon you will see it is in fact asymmetrical. The 2 gray panels in the center are not the same...light gray on the left and dark gray on the right. I did this because talons are typically asymmetrical and wanted mine to be more..."traditional" haha. I know it's not much but it does give the kite a cool look!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 29, 2012, 01:34 PM
Wow! Really asymmetric!  ;)

Below  (and in the following posts) you may see some of the designs I have come up with in the colourizer. I'm pretty dizzy by now...
Also, I find it difficult to imagine in the final material with the colours being more translucent.
So I'm still quite confused...

Cheers,

N.


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Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 29, 2012, 01:35 PM
... and...

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Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 29, 2012, 01:36 PM
... and the last two.

N.

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Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on April 29, 2012, 10:23 PM
I like

#1 Greys-RedTail.png 
#2 Greys-RedRingFull-GreyTail.png
#3 Grey-White-RedDetailSym.png



Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 30, 2012, 03:02 PM
Thanks Adamld13.

However, after some more tests and discards, I think it now comes down to these four options...
Aaaaarghhh!
I can't make up my mind!

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Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: jaydub on April 30, 2012, 03:06 PM
Like the right hand pair best.  I like ULs to be in lighter colours so I'd go for the top left as a preferred option, leaving the bottom left as a colour option for the standard when you want to buy one.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Krijn on April 30, 2012, 03:24 PM
Bottom-
But you can not go wrong with these last four.

The Talon colorizer is a timeconsumer



Krijn


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on April 30, 2012, 03:48 PM
Top!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: tpatter on April 30, 2012, 03:55 PM
I like both of those on the right best, with the bottom as my favorite choice.  I like the options that you have come up with here - the downplay of color really allows you to see the shapes built in to the kite.

It depends on what you are going for of course, but a little red can go a long way.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: ko on April 30, 2012, 08:46 PM
I am with Tom (as usual lol) although I am not a fan of asymmetrical


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 30, 2012, 11:49 PM
Oooops! Not much consensus there  ;)

You're not helping me much guys!  :D :D

I decided to go with these because:

1. Although I like green a lot, from pictures I've seen the greens of the Talon are a bit dull (nothing compared to green kites from Prism which are bright, luminous and awesome).
2. I got really nice combinations in Golds but my Soul is gold so I didn't want to repeat gamut.
3. I like the elegance of purple but I didn't manage to get a combination that really satisfied me.
4. Blues are OK but I tend to think that it is a pity to bring something up into the sky that does not contrast the background a little...

So finally Red was the color left (together with greys, of course).

But I really would like to have a way to decide
* * sigh * *

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: st3307 on May 01, 2012, 12:05 AM
flip a   coin  lol   :D :D


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 01, 2012, 12:27 AM
But a coin has only two sides st3307! LOL  :D


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: KSC on May 04, 2012, 06:28 PM
I'm liking that grey/white one on the last page with the red "eyes". Very cool!

Quick related question for you guys.

Obviously, if someone owns a Hypnotist, for example, it's perfectly acceptable to grab a Zephyr as a lower wind option as there is no "Hypno UL", but I was kinda under the impression that when heading into the "boutique" realm, it was a good idea to get a Standard version first in order to get a baseline for the kite and whether or not it fit your personal style before moving onto lighter models? Am I totally off base here? 


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: st3307 on May 04, 2012, 07:39 PM
you  are  Off     base    some     but  not  much  the  biggest  thing  about   buying  set  of  kites  the  input  are   going  to  be  alike   between  the  UL  and  the  Std  weight  kite   and  it   comes  down  to  muscle  memory   so    if  you  have   the  same  kind   kite   like  a  Widow  Maker  Std  and  UL  the  learning  curve  is  not   quit   as  steep    when  changing  between the  two


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ca Ike on May 04, 2012, 08:42 PM
I'm liking that grey/white one on the last page with the red "eyes". Very cool!

Quick related question for you guys.

Obviously, if someone owns a Hypnotist, for example, it's perfectly acceptable to grab a Zephyr as a lower wind option as there is no "Hypno UL", but I was kinda under the impression that when heading into the "boutique" realm, it was a good idea to get a Standard version first in order to get a baseline for the kite and whether or not it fit your personal style before moving onto lighter models? Am I totally off base here? 
This really depends on the kite and maker.  Just because its the same kite doesn't mean it flies the same between models.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 04, 2012, 11:43 PM
Quote
get a Standard version first in order to get a baseline for the kite and whether or not it fit your personal style before moving onto lighter models? Am I totally off base here?

I also had the same impression, but since I was told there was no big deal in changing to a UL of another type of kite that's why I decided to move to the Talon UL without having the STD version.

BTW, I have already ordered my Talon UL. I finally made a "max mix" of the ones I liked best and came up with the design below which I really like. I hope it looks as good when I see it physically. It will arrive in about a week!
I can barely wait...    ???   ???   ???

Cheers,

N.

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Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: mikenchico on May 05, 2012, 12:26 AM
I like it, the greys and white in Icarex are magical when backlit, you might not think so but the greys gather light and transmit it, the panels just flash as the light angle changes. Plus you'll never tire of looking at a kite with that subdued color scheme and a splash of your favorite color, it's classic.



Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: bubbles on May 05, 2012, 01:54 AM
I still like it green.  8)


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: KSC on May 05, 2012, 06:35 AM
Nice! Congrats, Ara. That one was my favorite.

And thanks for the input, guys. I guess in a perfect world we could test every kite before we purchased it and then decide on STD/UL/SUL, ect.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 05, 2012, 12:06 PM
It's already built! Oooooooooh...   ???
(Mark's picture below at his workshop)

And on Monday it will start its trip to Barcelona!

Arhg! I cant wait...!   :P

N.

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Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: KSC on May 05, 2012, 12:50 PM
Holy fast! Damn that looks great. Red/black/grey are my favorite color combos. I'm jealous!  ;D


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Adamld13 on May 05, 2012, 12:51 PM
Gorgeous!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: madhabitz on May 05, 2012, 01:51 PM
It's already built! Oooooooooh...   ???
(Mark's picture below at his workshop)

And on Monday it will start its trip to Barcelona!

Arhg! I cant wait...!   :P

N.

Seriously? Dude!!! Okay, now I am jealous..... but very happy for you. Congratulations!

Nancy


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 05, 2012, 02:11 PM
Thanks!

I only hope that when it arrives the wind around here calms down a little.
Today I went flying my Soul and could barely control it under constant winds of 15mph with some gusts going up to 20 or 22mph...

I think I should have asked for a vented not a UL!   :(

Well, wind, as life, is not perfect.  ;)

Cheers,

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: tpatter on May 05, 2012, 03:03 PM
You will love it I an sure.  UL kites, wind conditions, and comfort in that wind all up up to my favorite kind of kite.   


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: madhabitz on May 05, 2012, 03:38 PM
Thanks!

I only hope that when it arrives the wind around here calms down a little.
Today I went flying my Soul and could barely control it under constant winds of 15mph with some gusts going up to 20 or 22mph...

I think I should have asked for a vented not a UL!   :(

Well, wind, as life, is not perfect.  ;)

As a newbie myself (wondering how long I can claim that status?), I am beginning to realize that this kite-thing is a lot like clothes shopping. I finally decide to fork over the dollars for that great winter sweater _while it's still winter_ but by the time I get to the store, they've got the swimsuits in stock. With kites, a lot of money is involved, so it takes awhile to make the decision to buy. You get the kite and the winds you are buying it for are long gone when the kite gets here. The good news is that they really do come back.

So, standard, UL/SUL, vented. You'll eventually get all of them. Will you be happy to stay with that set for the rest of your days? Not hardly! Less-is-More isn't always a good thing. More-is-More to my way of thinking.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 05, 2012, 11:24 PM
Great analogy   :)

But, indeed, winds come and go and if you have the whole range you can choose.

Sooooooo... which could be my next kite once the Talon UL arrives?   ;)

Just kidding, I not a kite freak...   :)
...   :)
...    :)
...     :)
... yet    ???

N.


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: madhabitz on May 06, 2012, 12:59 PM
Which kite? Well, I've been in the thinking stages of getting a UL for a long time now. I got the standard Mamba, because I was aware that it had a darned good light wind side of it.... and it turned out to be true. Man, that thing does great at the lower wind ranges, but a local flyer has a new UL WidowMaker that will fly when my Mamba won't.

Since there is no chance for getting another Mamba, let alone an UL one, I've been looking even harder at that WM. Oh man, I flew it last night-- more than I had before. I *want* one. Bad. That thing tracks like crazy and flew in pretty hard/turbulent winds earlier in the day AND next-to-nothing wind just before sunset. Stayed up there, too, without the usual arm-pumping I have to do with the Mamba. The really nice thing is that it feels much like my Mamba does-- inputs feel a lot alike, unlike the difference between my Mamba and Hypnotist.

So, the WidowMaker UL is what I'll be saving my pennies for next. I'm in love, so right now that's what I think everyone should get. lol

Nancy


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Wayner on May 06, 2012, 07:07 PM

So, the WidowMaker UL is what I'll be saving my pennies for next. I'm in love, so right now that's what I think everyone should get. lol

Nancy


Saved my pennies for 6 months to get my WidowMaker UL.  :)   Best decision I every make. You will love it.   


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: madhabitz on May 06, 2012, 11:51 PM

Saved my pennies for 6 months to get my WidowMaker UL.  :)   Best decision I every make. You will love it.   

Thanks!!


Title: Re: One step further: UL or SUL ? ... and which?!
Post by: Kantaxel on May 07, 2012, 11:07 AM
Great analogy   :)

But, indeed, winds come and go and if you have the whole range you can choose.

Sooooooo... which could be my next kite once the Talon UL arrives?   ;)

Just kidding, I not a kite freak...   :)
...   :)
...    :)
...     :)
... yet    ???

N.

You should probably think about a Fearless light vented or not.........Now this is a kite with a very wide wind range 8)