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Title: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on April 29, 2012, 07:26 AM
Actually, it was my third. The first one was taken on a crappy old digicam, and the second was over before my wife even had a chance to push the button. LOL

https://vimeo.com/41220672 (https://vimeo.com/41220672)

It's pretty uneventful, boring compared to most, but I thought I'd share, anyway, just in case any of you forgot what an aggressive "landing" looked like.

It really was a perfect day at the beach...

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2n1x4r4.jpg)

I'm going to need to get back there as often as possible before Memorial Day when all that beautifully empty horizon gets replaced with hordes of sunbathers.


Title: Re: First Flight
Post by: B-13 on April 29, 2012, 11:20 AM
Nice spot there :)
we don't have so much large beaches to play here and i could not imagine what this is like flying on a 125" line on this beach...kind of jealous
And for the video...you are getting there man :)
The crash was not terrible and next time run towards the kite will smooth the crash...perhaps make it less noisy when hitting the ground hahahaha..but you can hold it in the air and this is the beginning :)

Have fun
B


Title: Re: First Flight
Post by: Adamld13 on April 29, 2012, 11:38 AM
I love the prism "fire" colours...gorgeous :P


Title: Re: First Flight
Post by: KSC on April 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Nice spot there :)
we don't have so much large beaches to play here and i could not imagine what this is like flying on a 125" line on this beach...kind of jealous
And for the video...you are getting there man :)

Yeah it was really cool there. I've been to beaches that were long, but this place had A LOT of width to it! It was like a 1/4 mile from where the sand first started to the water. I think it's possible that even in dead of summer there might space enough to fly towards the back, being as most folks will want to be closer to the water.

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The crash was not terrible and next time run towards the kite will smooth the crash...perhaps make it less noisy when hitting the ground hahahaha..but you can hold it in the air and this is the beginning :)

Haha! Will do.

@Adamld13: Agreed. The colors really pop. It reminds me of dragon's wing a little, too.


Title: Re: First Flight
Post by: RobB on April 29, 2012, 03:26 PM
You just need to get to the beach around 7am-8am to get in a few good hours of flying before the beach crowds. And yeah, that does look like a rally nice beach... nothing to hurt the sail there.


Title: Re: First Flight
Post by: KSC on May 05, 2012, 05:53 PM
Actually, it was my 12th!

So after an entire week's worth of dead air, I head out to the local park yet again. Not only does it feel like a good wind is blowing, Yahoo is reporting 8mph. When I get to the park, I notice that only 3/4 corners are being occupied by games and such, so I begin setting up in the remaining corner. The wind is blowing, this isn't just in my head this time! I can see branches moving now, not just the rustling of leaves. I set-up my kite, unwind my lines, go to step back, and out of the corner of my eye I see a car load of boys dressed in purple shirts coming straight for the benches. Oh well. I pack it all back up and head off to another location...

By the time I get there, the wind has died down, of course. It's no longer blowing through my hair, but I can still feel a nice breeze on my face, so I make a go of it. There doesn't seem to be many people around, so that's something, anyway. Not much, though...

https://vimeo.com/41631105

https://vimeo.com/41631190

https://vimeo.com/41631444

So lemme ask, heavy kite, wrong lines, bad wind, bad location, or just a bad pilot? Maybe all of the above?

I don't suppose anyone can tell what the wind speed was just by looking at these videos? I realize Prism's "4-25" may be a bit lofty, but I would think 6-8ish would keep the kite aloft, no? What was I flying in the video from the first post in this thread? 12-15mph?


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: st3307 on May 05, 2012, 07:25 PM
  from the  flag  in the  frist      lil  video  I  would  call the  wind  at  a  pulsing   2-4      and  if  I  may  ask  was  there  trees  behind  you    from  the   direction  the   wind  was  coming  from ?


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 05, 2012, 07:30 PM
First you had bad shifty winds up to 40 degrees.  Judging by the flag they were in the 2-4 range with gusts up to 6.

2nd you are inexperienced and probably had the kite set up wrong for the wind as well as the fact that you were flying at the edge of the window.  From what I could tell you had the kite set factory which is fine for 10-12 mph.  For the hypno set it at the light wind knot and leave it there  as well as put it on the forgiving turbo setting.  It will fly a LOT better in low wind even with the stock lines.

Third is your arm position.  YOu are doing the cross pose, arm fully out to your side and that will kill you in low wind.  Keep your elbows at your side so you can get good arm motion for pumping the kite.  YOu had enough wind to fly but not enough to do it without a little work.  Look at the light winds section of the dvd that came with your kite and you will see the arm motion I'm talking about.  YOu can also watch me here and see how I keep my arms while doing these slides in really low wind.  Always elbow at my side hands in front.  Best position to use for when you have to pump the kite to get it back up and easiest to give lots of slack from.  http://vimeo.com/19018195 IF you watch the last couple minutes of my vid you can see how I pump the lines to get the kite back  up.


Last thing is when you need to pump the kite up in low wind don't pull hard or jerk the lines. pull smooth and releas just as smooth.  THe lines should not go slack when pumping the kite to get extra drive.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 06, 2012, 05:19 AM
  from the  flag  in the  frist      lil  video  I  would  call the  wind  at  a  pulsing   2-4      and  if  I  may  ask  was  there  trees  behind  you    from  the   direction  the   wind  was  coming  from ?


Yeah, there were lots of trees in every direction, and houses after that. Definitely not the optimal location, but I was running out of options.

So it seems like an "all of the above" situation. That makes me feel a little better, I guess.

Thanks for all the great advice, Anthony. I re-watched both the low wind section on the Prism DVD as well as your video. Those helped a lot. I was definitely flailing there. I just felt so helpless with all that slack line in front of me. It's good to know with a combination of factors I'll have a much better time flying in lower winds as is, but I'd still love to get a hold of some shorter/lighter lines just for sake of comparison.

Question about the bridal settings, if you don't mind? I'm clear on the turbo settings, but where exactly is the light wind setting for the bridal. I have to assume this adjustment is going towards the nose of the kite, yes? Everything I've read thus far suggests small 1/4" increments to find the right spot, so should I be sliding the prussic knot to "1" or should I be moving it completely over and past the blue knot to around the "2" area?

(http://i.imgur.com/FQxUv.jpg)


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 06, 2012, 08:32 AM


Yeah, there were lots of trees in every direction, and houses after that. Definitely not the optimal location, but I was running out of options.

So it seems like an "all of the above" situation. That makes me feel a little better, I guess.

Thanks for all the great advice, Anthony. I re-watched both the low wind section on the Prism DVD as well as your video. Those helped a lot. I was definitely flailing there. I just felt so helpless with all that slack line in front of me. It's good to know with a combination of factors I'll have a much better time flying in lower winds as is, but I'd still love to get a hold of some shorter/lighter lines just for sake of comparison.

Question about the bridal settings, if you don't mind? I'm clear on the turbo settings, but where exactly is the light wind setting for the bridal. I have to assume this adjustment is going towards the nose of the kite, yes? Everything I've read thus far suggests small 1/4" increments to find the right spot, so should I be sliding the prussic knot to "1" or should I be moving it completely over and past the blue knot to around the "2" area?

(http://i.imgur.com/FQxUv.jpg)
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Isn't the radical setting further away from the tow point?or you are mistaking in the picture. as in your picture, moving the inhaul (line attached to the center T) closer to the tow point (prussik knot) will make it a 3 point bridle.
As from the picture, i will keep it here and recall i fly with this settings. Moving it further from the tow point will make the turbo leg longer and small and precise inputs are required for this flying style.
Anyway this is not for wind settings. So what you need to do here is move the knot (prussik knot) towards the upper spreader. Thus you are putting the nose of the kite more into the wind and it will gain more lift and fly better in light winds. This is referred sometimes as raising the bridle as if you put your kite in launch position, moving it to the nose is raising it more and pointing the nose more into the wind.
The hypnotist flies best in clean 6-8mph winds with the factory bridle set as in the picture.
I rarely lower my bridle but you must know that raising a bridle to gain more lift will affect control on the kite. A heavy bridle (factory or lower) will give sharper turns and corners and better responsiveness.
At this stage it's better to move it up a bit in light winds and return it to factory in medium winds but you will learn on the field what are different effects on bridle adjustment. The hypno features limit knots that will refrain you from going further in your settings and this is good for new fliers.
Now you should know that only 5-6mm of adjustment is needed for this (1/8" i think) and adjust by little increment to start with.
Others will have longer and clearer infos on this but this is the only basics and for now you should learn only these...unless you are planning to build your own kites and you can find books on bridles constructions lol

Have fun
B


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 06, 2012, 09:38 AM
Oops, you're right, I reversed the radical setting in that picture. :-[

So, then I should only move the prussic knot a little ways forward then towards the "1"? I should never have to slide it over the knot in the blue circle?

I'm on my way to the beach now where it's a perfect 8.1 knots, but I will try these adjustments tomorrow when I return to suburbia.

Thank you for the help.  :)


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 06, 2012, 11:12 AM
Right now, where the knot is, it is the factory default and it should fly well in the 6-8mph range :)
Moving it to the top knot (blue circle here) has given more lift to the kite that will help it fly on lighter winds but still on the hypnotist, the flier have to work on the kite to keep it aloft and you will find that walking backwards is necessary here and pumping on the lines to too.
Try adjusting it just a little bit and try..moving it all the way from the factory to the limit will have a big effect on the kite flying characteristics...unless you know what you are doing here.

Give it a try and send us more videos for feedback ;)

B


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 06, 2012, 11:18 AM
I edited your pic to be correct.  YOu have all the wrong ideas about the adjustments which isn't uncommon for a new flier and you probably did like most of us men and ignored the instructions :P  THere is no range for radical or forgiving just the knots.  THe only range adjustment is for wind.  Set it to the low wind limit and leave it there.  Once you get some basic flying down then you can worry about fine tuning for wind.  

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7149312941_a61435cc43.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/7149312941/)
FQxUv (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/7149312941/#) by Ca Ike (http://www.flickr.com/people/ca_ike/), on Flickr


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 06, 2012, 11:48 AM
Wait, it came with instructions?!  :D

Seriously though, to my credit, I did know that the larks head (inner yoke?) settings weren't for wind adjustments. I just wanted to label ALL the points to be thorough. I'm always doing this. You should hear me ask a question in person. I don't just jump in and ask, I have multiple prefaces first.

I think I get it now, though! Thank you both very much for setting me straight. I appreciate all the help.

In other news, after traveling 90 mins thinking I now had the perfect weekend spot to fly, I was just now shoo'd away by the beach police. Apparently you can only fly kites here from Sept 1 - March 15...

Yeesh! You ever get that feeling it just wasn't meant to be?


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 06, 2012, 12:07 PM
Wait, it came with instructions?!  :D

Seriously though, to my credit, I did know that the larks head (inner yoke?) settings weren't for wind adjustments. I just wanted to label ALL the points to be thorough. I'm always doing this. You should hear me ask a question in person. I don't just jump in and ask, I have multiple prefaces first.

I think I get it now, though! Thank you both very much for setting me straight. I appreciate all the help.

In other news, after traveling 90 mins thinking I now had the perfect weekend spot to fly, I was just now shoo'd away by the beach police. Apparently you can only fly kites here from Sept 1 - March 15...

Yeesh! You ever get that feeling it just wasn't meant to be?
THats because kites aren't safe or take up too much room or cause damage to the beach or whatever idiotic excuse they can think of.  Look up the law suit against Huntington Beach because a kid was walking backwards with a kite and fell into a fire pit.  THe city is being sued when the parents kids and the ones that had the fire should be slapped for being stupid and not paying attention to whats around them or properly tending the fire pit.  I'd really like to see more details on what happens with this one.

Where are you located again?


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 06, 2012, 05:50 PM
I figured the reasoning had something to do with that, but then I wondered why March 15 was the cut-off? The beach isn't officially open until Memorial Day, anyway, so what's with the extra 10 weeks of no kite flying? Turns out it has something to do with bird migration. Apparently they mistake kites for predators and get spooked. That's understandable. Honestly though, the woman wasn't really all that enthused about asking me to stop. She was almost apologetic about it. More like a "just doing her job" type thing, not so much the typical smugness that comes with catching teenagers with beer, ect. No big deal, it all turned out okay in the end...

Where there's a will, there's a bay!
 
(http://i46.tinypic.com/23h1ytu.jpg)

Apparently it's totally legal to fly your kite across the street! You can do anything on the bay. Notice all those birds?! There weren't any on the main beach. Go figure. I get the impression if you were to spit on the beach they'd haul you away in chains, yet you could dump bodies in the bay all afternoon and no one would bat an eyelash. It seems like a free for all over there.

Where are you located again?


I live in Northern NJ, but this beach was a bit South of me. Sandy Hook it's called.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 06, 2012, 06:32 PM
I remember a photo a while back of a beach someone posted where you cant fly kites because of a specific birds nesting ground and the eco nuts say the kites scare the birds into not laying.  The photo was of a flock of those birds trailing a stunt kite in formation and another of the same birds sitting on the kite and around it when on the ground lol.  I can't remember where those pics are though.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 06, 2012, 08:16 PM
Ant, i think you are wrong again on the photo.
For the radical and forgiving settings. The hypno does not take a 3 point bridle and the last photo demostrate this.

This is the right settings on it and as per Prism.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8144/7004970754_c2049f0fb4_b.jpg)

So the hypno does not take the  point settings...even if i tried it once :)


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 06, 2012, 08:28 PM
No I'm right I just marked out some lines so they pointed to the knot.  the knots are the settings there is no sliding between them.  You either use one knot or the other and thats it.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 06, 2012, 09:07 PM
The knot will slide anyway to the prussik knot at the tow point in the "Forgiving settings" photo making it a 3 point settings.
It will also slide between the other knots making the turbo leg longer for Radical (5cm) and shorter on the Forgiving (3cm).

This is in the Prism manual for the Quantum and Hypnotist.

(http://www.foreverflying.com/quantum.bridle.adjust.jpg)

And another knot on the QPro bridle
(http://ferob.com/kites/PigtailAdjustment.jpg)

With all the respect i have for you and your experience in this field Ant i think this is the right diagram and settings ;)

B


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 07, 2012, 02:28 AM
OK look at both of those set ups.  Look at where the larks head for the inhaul is.  Then re read this statement you posted.

The knot will slide anyway to the prussik knot at the tow point in the "Forgiving settings" photo making it a 3 point settings.
It will also slide between the other knots making the turbo leg longer for Radical (5cm) and shorter on the Forgiving (3cm).



If your inhaul is sliding down to the prussic knot making it a 3-point setting then your not placing the inhaul larks head in the right spot for the forgiving setting.  IF you do it shouldn't end up at the prussic on its own.  THe settings are 3 cm (forgiving knot) and 5 CM (radical knot).  It should be above (pilot side) the 3 cm knot for forgiving or above the 5cm knot for radical.  Even the instructions say "Move to" the knot whitch is there to lock the inhaul in the setting.  If your inhaul is sliding on its own as you fly your not adjusting it right.  Either that or I completely misunderstood your statement. HOwever, Yes that is the right diagram :P


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 07, 2012, 03:23 AM
Ant, moving the knot means past it above the knot for it not to move/slide to the initial position. This is logic here!
Who will just slide it near the knot knowing it will slide back after during flight???  ::)

The OP shared a photo with marks showing the "Radical" and "Forgiving" turbo leg length and range..but we know the in-haul will just slide to the closest knot to the tow point during flight.
So original photo is on "Forgiving" mode and the "Radical" mode is past the knot located between the middle and ring finger of the OP not as described.
Thus representing the last diagram by Prism.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 07, 2012, 08:30 AM
Wait, so then the factory setting is nether "forgiving" or "radical" being that the larks is not actually on one of the knots, but between them?!

I still understand that these settings have nothing to do with wind conditions, but I still would like to know what the others settings do and where they are located. Now I'm really confused.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 07, 2012, 09:14 AM
Don't get confused KSC :)

Ca_Ike and I like to debate on bridles lol

From the photo you posted, the kite is setup to Forgiving setting and i think it is set there from factory. For now you will only need to slide the prussik knot towards or further from the nose for wind conditions.
With time and when you get more agile in your corners and straight lines tracking, you can experiment with the turbo leg and move the knot pass the second one (from your picture) and your kite will be in Radical mode. Or when you head to the beach and get some clean winds, give it a try and see the changes yourself.
Besides this, there is no great settings you can do to the hypnotist...not for now :)
Perhaps change the tensioning system on the knocks and get vinyl covers for them..this will solve some wing tips snagging when you will start tricking..adding yoyos on the hypnotist..the holes are already there (you will see them about halfway on the LE)

But don;t worry about all this and practice your launches and landings and being able to stall the kite properly..then other things will come with time...

I will take something Ca_Ike always told me before "Keep practicing your slides and snap stall!!!" lol

B


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 07, 2012, 10:22 AM
lol, okay I won't mess with that part of the bridal. I'll just keep my mind on controlling the kite for now and experiment with the wind settings next time I go out.

As far as snap stalls and landings are concerned, I practiced them for a few hours yesterday...

http://vimeo.com/m/41675384 (http://vimeo.com/m/41675384)

http://vimeo.com/m/41675219 (http://vimeo.com/m/41675219)

There's not a whole lot of "snap" or "stall" in there, but I suppose it's better than slamming the nose into the ground at 40mph. Baby steps, right? :D


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 07, 2012, 10:32 AM
Heeeyyy you are getting there...slowly but sure you re getting there..try giving some more slack after the snap to land the kite smoothly.
You will see that with time and practice you will be able to land in any part of the wind window ;)
Just give enough slack depending on the wind conditions to slow down the kite..
The key here is to walk/run to the same speed as the wind for the kite to loose enough power and not to lift to fly..snaps will kill the kite drive but works best with immediate slack after :)

Keep it up K...

B


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 07, 2012, 10:41 AM
Ant, moving the knot means past it above the knot for it not to move/slide to the initial position. This is logic here!
Who will just slide it near the knot knowing it will slide back after during flight???  ::)

The OP shared a photo with marks showing the "Radical" and "Forgiving" turbo leg length and range..but we know the in-haul will just slide to the closest knot to the tow point during flight.
So original photo is on "Forgiving" mode and the "Radical" mode is past the knot located between the middle and ring finger of the OP not as described.
Thus representing the last diagram by Prism.
YOu'd be surprised how many new fliers don't do this right.

Wait, so then the factory setting is nether "forgiving" or "radical" being that the larks is not actually on one of the knots, but between them?!

I still understand that these settings have nothing to do with wind conditions, but I still would like to know what the others settings do and where they are located. Now I'm really confused.
There isn't much difference in actual wind range but there is a BIG difference in level of control for the new flier.  In low wind the radical setting gets exagerated. Since its so easy to over control the kite even in normal winds on it and a new flier already has a tendency to over react on a control input I always recomend the forgiving setting on the turbo leg.  As for the other settings it is the prussic knot on the out and up hauls you need to adjust.  WHen I teach a new flier I always set a kite for the lowest wind so they don't have to worry about adjusting it while learning the basics.  THis way they can fly as long as there is wind in the kites range and if it doesn't fly then you know the wind is to low.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 07, 2012, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the encouragement.  :)

It's getting a bit easier, but I'm still having troubles sticking it every time. I definitely need to work on the stall by matching the wind's spoed like you said, but I'm also having difficulty keeping the kite level on the way down. Many times I was sooo close to landing, but at the last second the nose would wobble toward the center of the window and shoot right up in the air again. Actually, that second video was just the last few seconds of a MUCH longer one of me attempting to land and just not being able to commit to it.

Edit: I think I understand now, Anthony. I'm going out today to that very same park to play around with the settings a bit. Watch today I'll get 10mph+ when I'm hoping for lower speeds.  ::)


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: B-13 on May 07, 2012, 10:54 AM
Many times I was sooo close to landing, but at the last second the the nose wobbled toward the center of the window and shot right up in the air again.

That is where slack is needed K...The kite will drive and landing in the edge of the window and the nose will point towards the center as there is wind there to lift it..this is where you need to give slack either by walking or extending the arms in front to kill the kite drive and land it on the two wing tips :)
Also landing on both tips is a good way to practice control on each wing and this will help you for fine inputs rather than hard pull/push on the lines


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 07, 2012, 10:56 AM
lol, okay I won't mess with that part of the bridal. I'll just keep my mind on controlling the kite for now and experiment with the wind settings next time I go out.

As far as snap stalls and landings are concerned, I practiced them for a few hours yesterday...

[url]http://vimeo.com/m/41675384[/url] ([url]http://vimeo.com/m/41675384[/url])

[url]http://vimeo.com/m/41675219[/url] ([url]http://vimeo.com/m/41675219[/url])

There's not a whole lot of "snap" or "stall" in there, but I suppose it's better than slamming the nose into the ground at 40mph. Baby steps, right? :D

Hehe I can see you working to force yourself to keep your elbows at your side :)  Keep working on that habit and remember to pull back toward your hips instead of out to  your side.  YOu already a bit smoother on control.  For now concentrate on figures and the basic stall (edge of the window stall).  Vary that stall from normal entry and from a down ward turn with a quick turn back toward the center so you feel the point where the kite stalls.  THen you can work in the side slide.  I Find this method of startin out teaches you more about controlling the kite and gives you more of a feel for the kite than any other method and I use it every time I pick up a new kite.

The snap stall is difficult.  THe timing and intensity of the inputs have to be spot on or it won't stall and you really have to practice it in the middle of the wind window (power zone) to get it down right.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 07, 2012, 10:59 AM
Thanks for the encouragement.  :)

It's getting a bit easier, but I'm still having troubles sticking it every time. I definitely need to work on the stall by matching the wind's spoed like you said, but I'm also having difficulty keeping the kite level on the way down. Many times I was sooo close to landing, but at the last second the the nose wobbled toward the center of the window and shot right up in the air again. Actually, that second video was just the last few seconds of a MUCH longer one of me attempting to land and just not being able to commit to it.
Walk or run toward the kite to help maintain the stall.  You want to equalize the wind drive but still have tension on the lines.  You don't want the lines to go completely slack.  THis is where the side slide really helps in teaching stall control.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 07, 2012, 02:28 PM
That is where slack is needed K...The kite will drive and landing in the edge of the window and the nose will point towards the center as there is wind there to lift it..this is where you need to give slack either by walking or extending the arms in front to kill the kite drive and land it on the two wing tips :)
Also landing on both tips is a good way to practice control on each wing and this will help you for fine inputs rather than hard pull/push on the lines

Ah, okay. If I was stalling enough, even if it wobbled a little, the wind wouldn't be able to take it back it up in the first place, right? I figured the wobble was driving it back towards the center alone, but now I realize it was a combination of the two. I'll work on that. Thanks!

Hehe I can see you working to force yourself to keep your elbows at your side :)  Keep working on that habit and remember to pull back toward your hips instead of out to  your side.
 

It's a hard habit to break and I havn't even been doing it that long to make it a real habit! I never raise my hands above my head, which I know is good, but I still find myself flailing outwards. Especially when trying to get the kite back into the air when I know the landing isn't going to stick. It just seems intuitive to pump down and out for some reason. I'm gonna bungee my elbows to my chest if I can't keep that under control. 

When you say "figures", you mean figure 8s?

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The snap stall is difficult.  THe timing and intensity of the inputs have to be spot on or it won't stall and you really have to practice it in the middle of the wind window (power zone) to get it down right.

It seems simple enough, but I see that's not the case at all. I think my largest fault is the second snap. I either pull too hard and the kite turns back the opposite direction or too soft and it just jerks a little and stays on it's current trajectory.

Walk or run toward the kite to help maintain the stall. You want to equalize the wind drive but still have tension on the lines.  You don't want the lines to go completely slack.  THis is where the side slide really helps in teaching stall control.

Yeah, I found there were a few times when I had too much slack and it felt like the kite wasn't in my control at all. At one point while this was happening I think I may have attempted a snap stall as the kite back flipped straight into a Turtle. Unfortunately, I was unable to capitalize on that position at this point.  :D


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 07, 2012, 03:03 PM
By figures I mean any figure. squares, 8's, loops etc.  Here's a link http://www.aka.kite.org/kite-genres/sport-kite/compulsory-figures (http://www.aka.kite.org/kite-genres/sport-kite/compulsory-figures)

For now I would forget about the snap stall and step back to basic stall, side slide, fade and figures.  Get more comfortable controlling your kite before you go for more advanced stalls and tricks.  The fade and side slide are important for learning stall control.  Once you can get these to rise and fall and slide well then you will be able to fully control a stall and have the feel you need to know what your doing wrong with the snap stall.  THe line control and feel you get from the slide and fade is crucial to managing line tension and slack in every other trick.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 08, 2012, 02:01 PM
Some of those look a little intimidating. Can I ask where exactly you'd want to practice some of these figures, window wise? The first time out I couldn't even preform a simple loop without crashing. It just seemed like the kite was never in my control. I find the power zone was much to fast to pull up in time. Or maybe my reaction time is too slow...?


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: Ca Ike on May 08, 2012, 04:16 PM
Most of the time precision is flown on 125 foot lines and they use the full window.  YOu have to scale them to the size of the window.  Pick some of the more simple ones to do at first and mix them in with your stall and slide practice. The ground pass loop is a good one to help get familiar with ground level flying.  Start mid window trying to enter and exit at the same height and go lower as you get comfortable. 

Its also true that your reaction time is going to be slow not only because your a beginner but also because of your arm position not allowin for full  range of motion.  Hence the reason I mention it.  Its better to use arm motions like cross country skiers do (or like you see in my vids) since it gives you the maximum amount of movement you can get with full control and next to no fatigue from trying to hold out your arms.

As you get better you can mix tricks and figures together for some good variety in your flying.


Title: Re: First Flight (Now with first fail)
Post by: KSC on May 09, 2012, 10:57 AM
Cool, thank you. I'll spend some time going over a few of the ones you mentioned and try to be as consistent as possible. I will also keep practicing my stalls and drill those landings over and over until I can get them to stick every time. I'll get some slides in there as well. Those are my immediate goals until I move onto anything else.