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Title: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 26, 2012, 04:24 PM
So I had a chance to fly the pro UL today.
It flew great until i tried to put it into a turtle...DENIED. :(
Kinda reminds me how my sano SSL refuses to roll up.
I havnt had a chance to really play with the bridle and the wind wasnt the
greatest but there def is a prob..IMHO.
I dont understand how the original fox's fly fine right out of the the box but these new and improved "pro's"
are turning out to be more of a puzzle than a performer. :'(

Like i said this is only my first impression flying it in dirty winds :-X

Hopefully i will get it out in some smoother winds soon! :)

Anybody else pick one up yet?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 27, 2012, 02:19 PM
Yup..smooth winds, tried adjusting the bridle every way possible, added TONS of weight on the tail..
which helped but still not a chance of rolling up.....not impressed.

The original UL's are a little heavy but id rather fly one of them any day.

If anybody would know what would help to get this thing to yoyo id appreciate it

thnx!





Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: harveystubbs on May 28, 2012, 02:33 AM
Have you tried the combination of more tail weight and extra inner standoffs if it only has one pair of standoffs. Also shorten the upper outhaul which will help the kite pitch.

I have tried this with an opera and it works well. Sorts out the back spin too.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Danno419 on May 28, 2012, 08:21 AM
Before you sell it, maybe you should wait a few days and see if Bell might come in and give you a few tips or suggestions. If it were me, I think I would try lowering the tow point.
Just a reminder: Make sure your "default" bridle setting is marked. Can you readily roll up any of your other UL kites? If so, make sure you are using the same exaggerated (for me) inputs.
Have you tried the two-pop method?
i was there during its maiden flights - we tried a few bridal tweaks, with no improvement. - the other foxes roll up easily (after what bridal adjustments, i dont know)
From what i seen, it just does not like to get into the turtle - it has a large dead spot in its backward arc, whether trying to get it to turtle or yoyo (one or two pop)
I didnt actually fly the kite - this is just what i witnessed during its frustrating first flights.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: tpatter on May 28, 2012, 09:08 AM
Does it 2 pop easily?

I had a UL that I loved, but it would not yoyo to my satisfaction until I added 30g of weight, which adversely affected everything else.   It would 2 pop and multi lazy like a dream however, so I just adjusted my expectations.

Does it do other things well?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: DD on May 28, 2012, 09:13 AM
 ???ssl not rollup, even with a two pop and some weight?
you may also find you have to move the shapeshifter out about two inches from the inner limit


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 28, 2012, 09:16 AM
I spent a good part of the day yesterday trying to remedy the problem.
I tried everything. I tried adjusting the bridle every way possible, I tried adding extra weight
To the tail...I even tried a completely diff bridle all together.

The pro std also has trouble rolling up as well IMO.
So this is just worse on the ul.

I can yoyo very easily on other ul's I own.
Even my original 2.3 ul can wrap up just fine.
If I could get this pro ul to fly like the original
I'd be happy. Doesn't make sense how a "pro"
Is inferior to the Original.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 28, 2012, 09:20 AM
I will add I marked the bridle and the kite is now
Back to the original settings.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 28, 2012, 10:44 AM
My talon ul and ds ul roll up great.
I'm not sure of the weight of these kites off hand
But they are def true ul's.

The fox def has a deeper sail so this prob doesn't help.

I have flown quite a few kites considering the short amount
Of time I've been in the sport.
These are only flight characteristics I've
Noticed in a comparative sense...

The fox pro std flies great but even my original 2.3 ul will yoyo way faster ...
I've been meaning to add some extra weight to my pro std.
It def has a solid turtle but that yoyo is still slow IMHO.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Danno419 on May 28, 2012, 01:05 PM
???ssl not rollup, even with a two pop and some weight?
you may also find you have to move the shapeshifter out about two inches from the inner limit

there was no weight and the SS wasnt played with - i really liked the SSL's low wind ability the way it was set up when i flew it.
Though i'd like to try it weighted.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: DD on May 28, 2012, 02:36 PM
My talon ul and ds ul roll up great.
There WILL come a time you will discover you only need about six kites to cover every conceivable wind condition including the just plain to fly ones like the Hq Breeze. I hope my wife never sees this post.  ;)
This is like fight club, how dare you talk about it, your going to get us all in trouble:D
You can at least get axles out of a breeze. It is more my "what can my friends fly in light wind that I won't care if it gets broke kite"
Do you have any weight on the dsul?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 28, 2012, 04:27 PM
D SUL? IM assuming your talking about the DS UL?
I have the weight on it that it came with ...flies great.

If you guys even watch the promo vid...you can see how it doesnt want to sit back in the turtle.

IM not sure how much weight i put on the fox pro UL but it was ALOT.....
I left the stock donut weight on it and put a VERY large R-sky type weight on..

I usually do a spin axle to get into a fade and this was even difficult, it didnt like to flare out enuf...

The kite does fly well though and it forsure lighter than past UL's


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: bell on May 28, 2012, 08:17 PM
To have 1 stand off or 2 stand offs system that I had been considering for a long time.

To achieve the lower wind range that at the end I have define SF2.3 Pro UL as one

stand off (each side) set up.

 
With one stand off that SF2.3 Pro UL sail can “hold” more wind. Therefore, it can be

fly under lower wind condition. Also, most of tricks can be executed much easier and smoothly.

 
AdamId13, you are right! Cause SF2.3 Pro UL “hold” more wind that makes the YoYo and Turtle

can not performed as easier as SF2.3 Pro Std.

 If you wants to increase the YoYo and Turtle ability that you can modify the stand off as SF2.3 Pro

std set up. Attach is a photo show how to modify. But, remember, with 2 stand offs set up that the

low wind range will be increased a bit.

 
Hope this will help!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7086/7292126828_fda9ab0858_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 28, 2012, 09:11 PM
Nice to hear from you bell!

1)So the white dot in the diagram is the currrent single stand off?

2)This will Require me To make 4 new holes In the trailing edge?

3)What's the best way to make the holes in the trailing edge?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: bell on May 29, 2012, 06:50 AM
1)YES!
2)Yes!
3)Please reference following images! Make sure not to cut off the stitching line and leach line as well!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7294750072_8e7ac22324_b.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7094/7294750306_7e740ef475_b.jpg)

Thanks.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Danno419 on May 29, 2012, 07:24 AM
That's great Bell could chime in with details. (thank you sir!)

What would be fantastic, (at the same time, may be asking too much) is an extra set of standoffs with the kite, and the 3 trailing edge holes pre-punched/hot-cut.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: harveystubbs on May 29, 2012, 09:28 AM
I did say an extra set of standoffs. Why was this not spec of the kite originally?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Adamld13 on May 29, 2012, 09:31 AM
Awesome! Thnx bell.
I think I have everything I need.

My soul came with extra standoffs,
I think they are long enough.

I just hope I do a good job poking those new holes.
So just a hot nail will work?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: thief on May 29, 2012, 09:36 AM
That's great Bell could chime in with details. (thank you sir!)

What would be fantastic, (at the same time, may be asking too much) is an extra set of standoffs with the kite, and the 3 trailing edge holes pre-punched/hot-cut.

Thoughts?

Sounds like a prism kite....


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: thief on May 29, 2012, 09:52 AM
a hot nail would work....but i would go for a cheap soldering iron and a filed down tip....ou will have a bit more control...

you might want to read this: http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9726&highlight=washer (http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9726&highlight=washer) from the kitebuilder's forum about how to consistently make holes...


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: bell on July 06, 2012, 06:42 AM
 :)  No upper spreader easy to do Yoyo  :)

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/282724_489597691055242_902079099_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: red sweater on July 06, 2012, 07:02 AM
I hadn't seen this thread before.

I'm still a beginner, and the SF Pro UL is my first kite with much trick capability. I'm still working out kinks in my axels and half-axels, so I fly it without the stock weight. I have had a little difficulty getting it to turtle (intentionally ;) ), but I haven't been focusing on that. I figured I was doing it wrong. I did make a few attempts at a flapjack, but I think I was popping it from the ground too soon because it would always fall to the ground halfway through the LS. I figure that letting the nose fall a little further before the pop will get it a little further off the ground before the turtle? Regardless, I need to dedicate a session to working on turtles before I can say much more about it.

So, removing the upper spreader will help with turtles, too? And the last couple times I've flown it, the wind has been right at the lower limit for the kite. Any harm in flying without the US in light winds? I assume this will help the kite get in the air, but it also changes the balance and rigidity, right?

Edit: Oh, one more question. The parts list specifies a 7mm end cap, but I'm having difficulty finding vinyl end caps measured in metric. 7mm = .276 inches, but Steve only has them in .250 and .281. Is there another source that has metric? Should I go up to .281, since it's much closer to 7mm than the next smaller option?


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: bell on July 06, 2012, 08:11 AM
:)  No upper spreader easy to do Yoyo  :)

([url]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/282724_489597691055242_902079099_n.jpg[/url])


SF 2.3 PRO UL / No upper spreader No problem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5osIeBLgFk#ws)


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: red sweater on July 06, 2012, 08:22 AM

SF 2.3 PRO UL / No upper spreader No problem ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5osIeBLgFk#ws[/url])


The trick repeated (three times) from 0:45 to 0:53...is that a half axel to a 540? I think that could be my next goal, since my half axels are starting to come together nicely.


Title: Re: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Shane on July 06, 2012, 08:51 AM
That trick is a taz. For some reason that trick still escapes me... I can land them about 30-40% of the time. During the half Adel, let the nose go whit higher in the nose away position and tug the inner line of the kite. Then give Lots of slack and fly away in the opposite direction. It is an awesome trick m. One of my favorites.
Good luck and have fun
Shane

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Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: oldflyer on July 06, 2012, 01:24 PM
I thought I would add my observations on the new Silbver Fox 2.3 Pro UL……

I have always been a fan of Bell’s kites. I have clocked up many many hours on the original Silver Fox 2.3 series.

I really like the SF2.3 Pro ‘standard’. I have never had problems performing one pop roll ups on it.

I pre-ordered the SF 2.3 PRO UL from Steve some time ago and very nearly cancelled the order when I read some of the initial feedback on the forum. However, I proceeded with the order because a) I have enjoyed every other one of Bell’s kites and b) it didn’t feel right to back out of the pre-order.

I’m really glad I continued with the order!

I fully agree  - on the single stand off setting, I fiind the SF 2.3 PRO UL incredibly difficult to roll up using the one pop method no matter how hard I try. Two pop roll ups are do-able though (but always tricky for me). I have tried removing the top spreader but still can't do thos nice one-pop roll upslike the one shown in Bell's video. Bell - do you have more weight on the tail in your videos??

I will now experiment and try the 2 standoff adaptation suggested by Bell to see what impact it has.

However,………….

I honestly feel the stock kite with single stand offs is a really great UL kite. It flies in very very low winds. When I flew today and the wind died further I removed the top spreader and the tail weights and it coped even better. It’s got great precision, feels like the sail really catches the wind and does nice smooth axel based tricks. I like it lots!

In short, I agree with what other say about the pitch based trick ability on the single stand offs, but I still love this kite. It’s well made and the price is good.

Hope those thoughts are helpful

Nigel  :)

 


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: kiteflyer on July 08, 2012, 09:54 AM
Hi Guys,
   Where can I get one of these? Nobody seems to have one.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: oldflyer on July 08, 2012, 01:37 PM
Hi Guys,
   Where can I get one of these? Nobody seems to have one.


Try Steve at GWTW / Chico kites


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: red sweater on July 08, 2012, 03:19 PM
That's where I got mine. And yes, I don't see them anywhere either.


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: kiteflyer on July 08, 2012, 03:47 PM
Steve doesn't have it listed on his site... Neither does Flying Wings???


Title: Re: Fox pro UL.. first impression.
Post by: Steve Hall on July 08, 2012, 05:43 PM
Email me and I can send you specifics. Or I should have the order page up tomorrow afternoon and you can order then.



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