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Title: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Desertflier on May 31, 2012, 04:10 PM
I'm hoping to get your thoughts and opinions on an SUL you may have and love.
I was thinking about getting an Ocius SUL, ProDancer SUL or a Benson Inner Space.
Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.  :)


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: tpatter on May 31, 2012, 04:33 PM
Lots of opinions.  Mine is this....

First decide if you want a kite that flys in literally nothing (even indoor) with little to no effort, but is limited by its mass as to the tricks that it will perform; or one that flys in next to nothing with some (perhaps considerable) effort, but gives you most (if not all) tricks.   

And, of course, all sorts of kites fall somewhere on this scale.

I find that I want both - an indoor SUL and and outdoor SUL if you will. 

My indoor SUL is not very tricky, but it does some things like axels, backspins, fades, taz machines (all rather slowly and oddly compared to a standard), but no yoyo or comete - just not possible to any reasonable degree.   

My outdoor SUL will not reasonably fly indoors, but in 1-3 mph (even up to 8) I have tons of fun with it and it will easily one pop yoyo and do anything that I can do on my standards in a very similar fashion.


-Tom


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: DWayne on May 31, 2012, 04:38 PM
https://vimeo.com/14239282         8)

Denny


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Gamelord on May 31, 2012, 06:19 PM
I don't have a Prodancer, but do have the Ocius and innerspace.  The Innerspace is one of the best no-wind or low-wind kites I have flown.  It will usually fly when nothing else will.  Even in dead calm or zero winds, you can fly it with a bit of foot work.  It is a true indoor kite, not really a SUL.  I nearly always fly mine outdoors when the wind is non-existent.  It will handle winds up to about 4-5 mph but that would be pushing the upper limit and it is a very delicate kite.  It pulls good and solid in 3mph and you will most likely be pulling it out of the air very fast if the winds pick up.

The Ocius SUL is awesome.  It will fly nicely in 1mph winds with footwork and trick very nicely in 2mph+ with minimal effort and movement.  Haven't had it out in more than 5-6 mph as I never had a need or got stuck with the stronger winds.  I also won't waste a very nice 5-7 mph on an SUL kite and will immediately go to my Widow Maker or Solus (or other standard kite, those are just my current go-to kites right now).  The Ocius tricks very nicely for an SUL kite.  As mentioned above it doesn't have the weighted mass to trick like a standard, but as far as SUL's go, it is the trickiest one that I have flown.  All rotation tricks are pretty nice, pitch tricks can be done but you have to give it some slack and be patient with it.  I am sure someone with better skills than me could roll it up, but I struggle to do that (not my strongest tricks).  Slots and Taz's are incredibly beautiful and smooth. 

As mentioned above, if you are wanting tricks, I would go for the Ocius.  If you want to fly no matter what and don't care about most tricks, the Innerspace is awesome.  BTW...the Innerspace has beautiful 540's, cuts a very nice and flat axle....but that's about all I can get out  of it...maybe an axle to fade.

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: kepople on May 31, 2012, 06:46 PM
Tpat,

what are these kites you speak of?



Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Desertflier on June 01, 2012, 01:09 PM
I would like to know too tpatter.  ::) 

Basically I would like to have a kite that I can fly in little to no wind with little effort.
It does not have to do every trick in the book. (I can't do them anyways).
I like doing axles, axle or flare to fade, lazy susans. Rotational stuff basically.





Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: chilese on June 01, 2012, 01:39 PM
Benson Inner Space would be my suggestion:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-izSjvnLPUyc/S2Cvospp_PI/AAAAAAAAEB0/2afwO5g_mgg/s800/301677%2520Inner%2520Spaces.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2006Kites#5431534264324324594)


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Desertflier on June 01, 2012, 01:57 PM
Ohhhhh! Those are so nice.
That's it, I'm gonna get me one.  ;D


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: tpatter on June 01, 2012, 02:25 PM
Tpat,

what are these kites you speak of?

I fly 3 kites in uber low wind in this order

- Prism 4D: you can easily fly it indoors and it does a fair number of old-school tricks, but no yoyo and its all a coaxing affair - no slap it around stuff (it in no way flys like a standard kite at all).  I like it from 0-2.

- Fearless SUL Tattoo:  I like this one with the reverse turbo which I have just recently put on.  I like the 3 point bridle as well, but the rt makes this kite totally da bomb!  I fly this one from 1-7/8 or so.  It does it all in this wind very similar to the standard (esp with the rt bridle). 

- Transformer SUL:  This one needs a little more wind than the Fearless SUL, but it flys and tricks better than most standards.  It has no compromises that I can find. I fly it from 2 to 10.

Also, you mileage may vary, numbers given are my best guess and have not been vetted by Guinness, etc, etc,...

Good luck,
-Tom



Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: madhabitz on June 01, 2012, 02:40 PM
I would like to know too tpatter.  ::) 

Basically I would like to have a kite that I can fly in little to no wind with little effort.
It does not have to do every trick in the book. (I can't do them anyways).
I like doing axles, axle or flare to fade, lazy susans. Rotational stuff basically.


You just sold a 4D and it will do all of that:
wedgwoodtom (Tom Patterson?)
Prism 4D Superlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgnoJNNA2ao#)


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: harveystubbs on June 01, 2012, 03:34 PM
Talon SUL or TNT zero ..... simple ! 8)


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: PUZZLE on June 01, 2012, 04:41 PM
I second the innerspace, my goto favorite kite. Flew john c's and I was hooked


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Desertflier on June 01, 2012, 04:59 PM
All righty, my Inner Space has been ordered.  ;D
White sail with purple "b".

I had a 4D but sold it. It does fly down to 1-2 mph. and is pretty tricky but it was just a little too fast and squirly for me. A little unpredictable at times. The gusty, bumpy desert winds I have here don't help. I prefer a larger sail.

I have a Nik Nak that I like to fly when there's hardly any wind. I can fly it down to 1-2 mph. no problem but it is not real tricky.

This new Benson Inner Space should be fun in real light wind and be more trickable. I can't wait.  ;)


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: harveystubbs on June 01, 2012, 05:01 PM
Good choice plus Tim is a nice fella ! 8)


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: kepople on June 01, 2012, 09:14 PM
All righty, my Inner Space has been ordered.  ;D
White sail with purple "b".

I had a 4D but sold it. It does fly down to 1-2 mph. and is pretty tricky but it was just a little too fast and squirly for me. A little unpredictable at times. The gusty, bumpy desert winds I have here don't help. I prefer a larger sail.

I have a Nik Nak that I like to fly when there's hardly any wind. I can fly it down to 1-2 mph. no problem but it is not real tricky.

This new Benson Inner Space should be fun in real light wind and be more trickable. I can't wait.  ;)

Nice Choice...

I have been all around this question as I don't have an SUL.
Considered the Airwave Zero, Talon SUL, TNT Zero, Ocius SUL, and at present the leader board consists of a Seven SUL, or the Benson Innerspace...

Although I could have flown at lunch today, rarely will this bird see airtime around here.

I have both a 4D and HQ shadow that have been on and off the chopping block...


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: jecko on June 02, 2012, 12:51 AM
How about iTrix ? Or double zero from L'atelier?


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: PUZZLE on June 02, 2012, 06:42 AM
I agree, Tim is the best. Easy to deal with and beautiful kites  cheers


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: martijn on June 02, 2012, 10:14 AM
How about iTrix ? Or double zero from L'atelier?

those are more tricky indoorkites...i have flown itrix, very trick capable for indoor use...
feels bigger on the lines you might thought...good feedback and pressure, it can comete indoor!!!....not by me though....


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: vigli on June 02, 2012, 04:50 PM
Niknak looks interesting...


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Ken Bour on June 14, 2012, 03:49 PM
All righty, my Inner Space has been ordered.  ;D
White sail with purple "b".
[SNIP]
This new Benson Inner Space should be fun in real light wind and be more trickable. I can't wait.  ;)
I hope that, when you get an opportunity, you will share your impressions about flying the InnerSpace. I have been considering adding a ProDancer after watching Devin's videos. It sounds like Benson's InnerSpace has similar characteristics.

Ken


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: harveystubbs on June 14, 2012, 04:22 PM
The DS ul practically flies in SUL winds too


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: adx1592 on June 14, 2012, 09:07 PM
If you want tricks I'd go for an Ocius SUL, and if you want some tricks for rotation (backspins, Taz, 540s, etc) grab a Prodancer (but give it time, it'll take a bit to get that stuff out of the kite) SUL and enjoy. I haven't flown the Innerspace but have heard great things. I've owned the Itrix and didn't get along with it well at all. In order based on my experience, from what you've listed, and from what I've heard I'd go with...

Ocius SUL
PDSUL
Innerspace


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: zippy8 on June 14, 2012, 11:04 PM
This new Benson Inner Space should be fun in real light wind and be more trickable.

Errr.....  :o

The Inner Space was never intended to be flown as anything other than an indoor kite or, at a pinch, outdoors in an indoor stylee. If you've bought this excellent kite thinking that you'll be Backspinning, Yoyoing and Comète-ing it just like your Standard kite.... you may be in for a disappointment.

Unless you intend to stick to very short lines you might wish to heed the words of ABW himself (http://www.andywardley.com/kites/reckites/benson/inner.bridle.html).

The Inner Space is a lovely kite but it won't be hassled into quite a lot of tricks. It's attraction is the way it does things, not the immense range. If you had wanted a minimal wind version of a more traditional kite then the TNT Zero or Cosmic TC Ghost might have been more appropriate.

Of course, if you just want something that will fly in slightly more than a vacuum then the IS is perfect.

Mike.


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Desertflier on June 26, 2012, 01:44 PM
Thanks to all for your input.  ;)
I chose to get an Inner Space because I wanted to have a kite that I could fly when there is no wind with little foot work. I don't mind if it is limited on tricks.
I'd also like to try indoor flying with it. 


Title: Re: Help choosing SUL
Post by: Adamld13 on June 26, 2012, 09:06 PM
This is just my opinion but...

I have both the 4D and Ocius SUL and have found that the 4D takes more footwork.
The ocius is prob heavier but the ocius has a great Lift/weight ratio.. from what i have seen.

The ocius is def more trick capable and is not nearly as squirrley.
Since i bought my Ocius my 4D has been collecting dust.