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Title: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 06:22 AM
It's raining today so I started putting my new Genki Kite together for practice. It looks complicated to me and there is no instructions, so one side at a time for me until I'm comfortable with it. It took me an hour or so to figure out the leading edge pockets.
There is an adjustable line along the length of the kite where the 3 rods connect together making 1 long rod.

How much does this line get adjusted/tightened? What am I looking for on the kite when I adjust this line?

Once I feel comfortable with this side of the kite I can flip it over and ask a few questions about the bridle side. Thanks all.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Charles G on June 12, 2012, 07:31 AM
That line is used to adjust the bow of the kite. The wingtips should bow backwards about 10% of the overall width of the kite. As an example, you should have 12" of clearance between the line and the kite on a 10' kite.

Charles


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 10:32 AM
Great! 110" = 11" bow. I got it!

Now for the other side of the kite with the bridle.

The bridle has 6 rings attached to the kite and 3 rings not attached to the kite, the rest of the bridle is nicely braided around itself, but I'm afraid to touch it or pull on it as I will probably make a tangled mess out of it. I don't know anything about braiding, so if I mess with it I'll never get it back the way it was. HELP!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 12, 2012, 10:43 AM
Mike can you take a picture?
Right now the bridle is probably daisy chained to keep it untangled....
good winds


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 11:35 AM
Mike can you take a picture?
Right now the bridle is probably daisy chained to keep it untangled....
good winds

I just too 3 pics but I'm not good at getting them to go anywhere, I'll try.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: madhabitz on June 12, 2012, 11:44 AM
If you can email the pictures to one of us (thief or me), we would be happy to upload the pictures for you. I'm dying to get a Genki kite myself, so I'll be paying close attention to this thread.

Nancy
(email is in my profile)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 11:48 AM
If you can email the pictures to one of us (thief or me), we would be happy to upload the pictures for you. I'm dying to get a Genki kite myself, so I'll be paying close attention to this thread.

Nancy
(email is in my profile)

That would be great because the pics was 156kb=too big for here.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 12, 2012, 11:54 AM
yep:
shoot them over to me and i can pop them in.....
thats easy ;)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 12, 2012, 11:57 AM
btw: here is a link to Mike Dallmer's Genki plan with basic bridle details on the last page: http://www.aka.kite.org/kiting/doc_view/485-genki-by-mike-dallmer (http://www.aka.kite.org/kiting/doc_view/485-genki-by-mike-dallmer)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 12, 2012, 12:09 PM
Okay....
Here are the instructions that (should come) came with your kite:
http://www.premierkites.com/pdf/kites/45621.pdf (http://www.premierkites.com/pdf/kites/45621.pdf)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 12, 2012, 12:10 PM
all in all this bridle is very simple....you can just unloop the bridle and it is really simple to see if it is tangled.....
there are three pair of keels....and each keel has a single line that goes to a ring that connects each front lines and the back lines together.......then there are lines that go off of these rings and join together further up....

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pTnsMksMhkU/T9eTfmfKlWI/AAAAAAAAW54/4GKL1KzbHhc/s640/001.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vi2UhlxCQvQ/T9eTg53-efI/AAAAAAAAW58/X6e7rIRiFxc/s640/002.JPG)
In the above picture you will want to carefully pass the ring back through the last loop it is in...and then the daisy chain should pull out just fine...
you do need to add a pigtail to this ring to attach your line to...seems to have disappeared!



(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aJp7g5Ypvx4/T9eThCPZTyI/AAAAAAAAW6E/optwQOxC-6A/s640/003.JPG)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 12, 2012, 12:28 PM
The Premier kites instructions for their Genki is here under Collections.
http://wholesale.premierkites.com/howto.shtml (http://wholesale.premierkites.com/howto.shtml)

It will show you a PDF with pictures and diagrams.
Worth a look.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 12, 2012, 12:30 PM
I'm dying to get a Genki kite myself, so I'll be paying close attention to this thread.

Nancy

Genki's are a great flying kite. Have been flying my for 20 years.  8)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 12, 2012, 12:31 PM
Genkis are super nice kites....they love light winds...and they are GREAT platforms for designs......
get your artist cap on and get sewing up your own design!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 12:35 PM
It still looks just as scary in the pictures as it does on my livingroom floor, I had to turn it over so I coundn't see the bridle anymore!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 12, 2012, 12:41 PM
It still looks just as scary in the pictures as it does on my livingroom floor, I had to turn it over so I coundn't see the bridle anymore!
Did you look at the link I sent?
It should help.
If you're still scared I'll send you my address and you can mail it to me. I do want you to live in fear.  ;)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 01:14 PM
It still looks just as scary in the pictures as it does on my livingroom floor, I had to turn it over so I coundn't see the bridle anymore!
Did you look at the link I sent?
It should help.
If you're still scared I'll send you my address and you can mail it to me. I do want you to live in fear.  ;)
Yes I did look at those instructions, I'm not sure what they mean about tie tow loop to any bungee, but thief did mention using a pigtail on the tow loop which makes more sense when it comes to tying. If I have some old shipping boxes laying artound I just might have your address.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: madhabitz on June 12, 2012, 02:30 PM
Genkis are super nice kites....they love light winds...and they are GREAT platforms for designs......
get your artist cap on and get sewing up your own design!


lol.... after my participation in That Other Thread. Well, this is exactly right-- open source offered by the designer. Awesome-- thanks for the link!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: DD on June 12, 2012, 03:19 PM
a video of a daisy chain is here:
No Tangle Rope Storage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F7eS3TmQiU#ws)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Tmadz on June 12, 2012, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the video. I always wanted to know how to do the daisy chain.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikenchico on June 12, 2012, 06:18 PM
Thanks for the video. I always wanted to know how to do the daisy chain.

Might practice it on a bit of line, yarn, rope, or an electric extension cord before tackling a multi line bridle. I've mentioned it before but find someplace on the kite you can larkshead that pigtail to. A tail attachment loop is ideal. As long as there are no loose line ends to work around and tie knots while stored and transported you will never have a tangled bridle when you want to fly it.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 06:44 PM
a video of a daisy chain is here:
No Tangle Rope Storage ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F7eS3TmQiU#ws[/url])
I can't look at that video! The picture scares me! If you go out in the wood tonight! I'm 61 years old, if I lived that long without a daisy chain, I guess I can live another 61 years without out it! Out of what I have in the picture I don't know what the right string/place to grab and pull, my track record isn't too good as to which wire to cut! KABOOM!
like my first dual line and my first quad line. spaghetti in honey! uncle!uncle!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: DD on June 12, 2012, 06:49 PM
Kinda like a larkshead or putting the loop on the end of a lineset or half axles; i find it easier to understand in person and then i can do it without thinking :D


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 12, 2012, 06:56 PM
Kinda like a larkshead or putting the loop on the end of a lineset or half axles; i find it easier to understand in person and then i can do it without thinking :D
Yes like that but with one exception! That whole bridle is a daisy chain right now, and I'd be the first to turn it into a knot!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 12, 2012, 07:02 PM
If you need to sleep, box it up and PM for my addy.  8)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 12, 2012, 11:17 PM
I'm 61 years old, if I lived that long without a daisy chain, I guess I can live another 61 years without out it!


Ah Mike, its time for the old dog to learn new tricks. The Dasiy Chain works like a dream. What scares me is having to untangle a bridle every time I want to fly.  :'(

I'm 53 and proof an old dog can learn something new.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 09:08 AM
Here's an update, I just undid the daisy chain! Now I'll take it out for a test ride. Luckily I can just bring it back in and place it on the floor until I learn Daisy Chaining, but tying the pigtail seems to work ok for me.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 10:48 AM
Trying to launch it, it would go from side to side then crash, I added a few small tails and it would go up and sway around up there then come down to the ground, any ideas?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 13, 2012, 11:06 AM
first thought is wind....how much was there? were you backed up against anything that would create a wind "shadow" where when the kite got above the shadow it might be in a LOT more wind?

Where are you located?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 13, 2012, 11:19 AM
There is a SLK phenomen called the pendulum effect. The shorter the line you have out the more the kite sways side to side. The bigger the kite the bigger the swing/sway.
Let more line out or longline launch it.

How much line did you have out?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
I checked the wind and it is between 2.5 and 5mph but it is varible today, I was flying in the middle of my lawn so there is no trees or buildings in the way. Now I'm launching it with 112' I'm in NY high on a hill overlooking Lake Erie and Canada.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 13, 2012, 12:01 PM
Mike are you aware of NYKE? http://www.nyke.org/ (http://www.nyke.org/)
I am pretty certain that someone is out there near you!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 12:20 PM
No never heard of them, I looked it up and it looks like I'm closer to Cleveland than any of their event places. Never heard of most of those places. But, I'm thinking it is just bad wind today. And I can play around with that line to adjust the bend in the kite, I'm at 6" so I can increase or decrease it, or even see how a different kite acts in the same wind. My Zenith's rarely fall out of the sky.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 12:42 PM
I tried the Zenith and that's on the ground too. So I'm going to say it's a bad wind day and hope for a better tomorrow.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 13, 2012, 01:37 PM
Hey Mike: I am going to put out word on the NYKE listserv seeing if anyone is nearby..there are some members of NYKE who are on here as well....Kevin Reynolds is one who will probably pop in too.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 13, 2012, 03:41 PM
Trying to launch it, it would go from side to side then crash, I added a few small tails and it would go up and sway around up there then come down to the ground, any ideas?

Genki's can benefit from a long launch. If you can stand the kite's back against something and then roll out at least 100 ft (300 ft is better) of line. When you pull the line you will quickly have the kite overhead.

This works very well for low wind days as their is more wind above tree level.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: kite.flyer on June 13, 2012, 05:04 PM
Mike,

You may also want to look up the Ohio Society for the Elevation of Kites, http://osekcleveland.org/ (http://osekcleveland.org/). They're based out of Cleveland. Gotta be someone near you there.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: madhabitz on June 13, 2012, 05:26 PM
Here are some photos of Poster Genkis:


skb, I'm not familiar with the term "Poster Genki." Is it the shape (rectangle) that gives it the name?

Thanks!

Nancy


Title: Re: Re: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: DD on June 13, 2012, 05:54 PM
Mike,

You may also want to look up the Ohio Society for the Elevation of Kites, [url]http://osekcleveland.org/[/url] ([url]http://osekcleveland.org/[/url]). They're based out of Cleveland. Gotta be someone near you there.

I am a member but I'm based out of youngstown. Alot of the club guys fly at edge water state park. It's where the cleveland kite fest is held


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 06:50 PM
New kites tend to invoke Murphy's New Kite Laws:
if you build or buy a light wind kite, the winds will howl
if you build or buy a high wind kite, the winds will whisper
if you build or buy any other kite, it will rain
 :-X


OH!! that law, yes I know that one very well! That's why I still live where I live.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 06:55 PM
Trying to launch it, it would go from side to side then crash, I added a few small tails and it would go up and sway around up there then come down to the ground, any ideas?

Genki's can benefit from a long launch. If you can stand the kite's back against something and then roll out at least 100 ft (300 ft is better) of line. When you pull the line you will quickly have the kite overhead.

This works very well for low wind days as their is more wind above tree level.

I just cut 412' of line in half because it seemed too high for me and that I saw a helicopter fly by a lot lower than that!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 07:04 PM
Here are some photos of Poster Genkis:
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/th_eye_in_the_sky.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/eye_in_the_sky.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/th_pvkf-freemans_genki.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/pvkf-freemans_genki.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/th_1froggenki2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/1froggenki2.jpg[/url])([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/th_whidbey_genkis2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/whidbey_genkis2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/th_eye_in_the_sky-1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/Island%20Wind/eye_in_the_sky-1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/th_eyeinthesky2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/eyeinthesky2.jpg[/url])([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/th_whidbey_dragonfly_genki2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/whidbey_dragonfly_genki2.jpg[/url])([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/th_whidbey_genkis3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/whidbey_genkis3.jpg[/url])([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/th_whidbey_dragonfly_genki1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/whidbey_dragonfly_genki1.jpg[/url])
clickable thumbnails
OK there you go, there is not one in the sky in these poster genki's without a tail or something holding them in check,, there is something here that applies elsewhere too! pennywise and dollarstupid? should I be spending effort?though/money on my tails as much as I do the kite itself?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 07:14 PM
Mike,

You may also want to look up the Ohio Society for the Elevation of Kites, [url]http://osekcleveland.org/[/url] ([url]http://osekcleveland.org/[/url]). They're based out of Cleveland. Gotta be someone near you there.
To me this is the best place to go for the things I'm asking and learning about. And I'm out to fill my yard/sky with kites!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 13, 2012, 07:24 PM
OK there you go, there is not one in the sky in these poster genki's without a tail or something holding them in check,, there is something here that applies elsewhere too! pennywise and dollarstupid? should I be spending effort?though/money on my tails as much as I do the kite itself?
In smooth, light winds they don't need a tail, but we like to put them on because it adds to the beauty of the kite.
Yes I want to see this kite suck up there without tails, WOW, it is so 3D. I like quad line kites mostly. the SLK's are a treat.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Fore Check on June 14, 2012, 03:14 PM
Your genki should not need tails.  At least not that style of genki.  If the aspect ratio is too high, it might, but I don't think it is (I'm throwing out a technical caveat there.)  I've flown my 3:1 (12 footer) genki in 15-20 without tails, flew great.  I have a video somewhere...

Alright.

On the swaying and crashing thing.

Let's go back to the basics.

Do you have the daisy-chain bridle completely un-done and all the bridles are free and not tangled?

Do you have the spars assembled and inserted correctly - including the wing battens?

Do you have the bow depth set at 11"?

If you are confident that you have those things right, the only thing that can really go awry is the *setting* of the bridle. 

Do you have the flying line attached to the tow ring (or mistakenly somewhere else?)  How's the angle of attack?  With the kite resting on it's longerons facing the wind and in an upright position, does it take a noticeable tug on the line to get it to rise in the air?  *Can* you launch the kite that way?

The oscillating instability suggested on short lines is possible, but doesn't sound like what's happening here to me...



Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 14, 2012, 04:37 PM
The bridle is fine no tangles. It's assembled properly I did lose a bungee but replaced it. I had it set at around 6" brought it up to 12" it didn't want to fly there so I brought it down to about 3" or so and it flew real nice. I launched it a few times by giving it a tug, the sail loads up nicely. But mostly launching it by hold the kite up and giving it a toss into the air. I kinda think it's just a lack of wind and not much for the next few days.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 15, 2012, 07:04 AM
Todays update so far, the kite came crashing down to earth I noticed one of the bridle rings at the kite came off and wraaped around the rest of the bridle, I straightened out the ring as good as I could and reatached it, put it back in the air and lost another bungee, there goes another card winder bungee. I'll reagjust the tension on the kite and take it from there, my other kites are locked in the sky just fine.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 15, 2012, 10:36 AM
Well the kite just fell out of the sky since my last message here, but, it was the 3rd one left up there out of 7 kites. Is it flew ok today.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Tmadz on June 15, 2012, 10:58 AM
Sorry man. Plenty of wind here. Take it as a learning experience. You'll be very familiar with it when you do get good wind. Snap a picture when you get it aloft.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 15, 2012, 05:51 PM
I just brought my kites in after laying out in the yard all day, I pretty much mowed all day while and after my kites started dropping like flys, I never thought of it being so wet today, but my kites were covered with slugs/small snails without shells, well anyways the kites look like that have road maps or trails all over them, any suggestions? Showering with 7 kites ain't gonna cut it with me!

ps.. I love taking pictures, no where near Chilese type pictures, but even if I did I can't put them in here because my smallest vga pictures are bigger than is excepted here.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: st3307 on June 15, 2012, 06:17 PM
 well  if  ya  shot  me  a   mail   with  them  in it  I  will host  them  for  you  and  post  them  up
or   you   could  host  them  on  web shot  for  free  and  post  them  your  self  you  chose


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 16, 2012, 08:45 AM
I just took some pictures but they look like 7 little dots in the air. The genki came out of the sky 3 times today, but it comes flying down like a dive bomber. The 4 other ones have been up for 4 hours now.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 16, 2012, 09:22 AM
I just took some pictures but they look like 7 little dots in the air. The genki came out of the sky 3 times today, but it comes flying down like a dive bomber. The 4 other ones have been up for 4 hours now.

While I'm sorry to hear that.  :-[  That is not much of a discription of what happened.   ???

Genki's like to fly at a very high angle, almost straight overhead. If thy overfly (go past overhead) they can divebomb. This is solved by adding tails to increase the drag.

So, your Genki should be stable in flight and fly overhaed, Becoming a "neck streacher", Does your kite fly this way?



Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 16, 2012, 10:01 AM
I just took some pictures but they look like 7 little dots in the air. The genki came out of the sky 3 times today, but it comes flying down like a dive bomber. The 4 other ones have been up for 4 hours now.

While I'm sorry to hear that.  :-[  That is not much of a discription of what happened.   ???

Genki's like to fly at a very high angle, almost straight overhead. If thy overfly (go past overhead) they can divebomb. This is solved by adding tails to increase the drag.

So, your Genki should be stable in flight and fly overhaed, Becoming a "neck streacher", Does your kite fly this way?


Yes it flys sometimes beyond overhead, I have a pair of small tails for a different kite maybe they will work. Thanks


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 16, 2012, 10:12 AM
Where did you get this Genki, brand?  You're having more troubles than I can imagine.  When I got my Premier Genki, I pulled it from the package, put it together and put it up, it stayed there glued.  Somethin's funky! ???


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 16, 2012, 11:01 AM
Where did you get this Genki, brand?  You're having more troubles than I can imagine.  When I got my Premier Genki, I pulled it from the package, put it together and put it up, it stayed there glued.  Somethin's funky! ???
Premier Genki Reza


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikenchico on June 17, 2012, 10:01 AM
You could experiment with setting the bridle a little "Heavier", that would be moving the tow point toward the rear of the kite just a bit. That might present a little more wing to the wind to hold it back a bit and keep the nose up. But Genki's should ride on the wind like a Delta, not against it, so not too much heavier. That's one of their attractions but that also makes them also require a bit of attention especially if you have updrafts in your area. If you're flying from the top of a hill I bet you are dealing with some updrafts.

I so need a Genki, I've always loved those kites and have never bought or built one in all these years. Hope you get it sorted soon.



Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: sunsetflyers on June 17, 2012, 10:35 AM
on my resa genki i have it at 12 inch bow but i use 100 ft transition tails and flys much better flew at 2mph to 14mph winds usually goes up and stays nailed to sky tails help alot with overflying


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 18, 2012, 06:13 AM
I know I can't mess with the bridle, too many small knots for my hands. Maybe it's the updrafts, as I mow the lawn I can feel different wind speeds and directions in different spots. I have woods on 2 sides of me.

I sure can't picture flying this kite at 2mph, it's about 6mph now and gusty and would be iffy flying slk's today no less with a 100' tail.

The only kite line I have is 200# from 112' to 206' lengths but I mostly use the 206' on the genki. Could this be part of the problem?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 18, 2012, 07:50 AM
I know I can't mess with the bridle, too many small knots for my hands. Maybe it's the updrafts, as I mow the lawn I can feel different wind speeds and directions in different spots. I have woods on 2 sides of me.

I sure can't picture flying this kite at 2mph, it's about 6mph now and gusty and would be iffy flying slk's today no less with a 100' tail.

The only kite line I have is 200# from 112' to 206' lengths but I mostly use the 206' on the genki. Could this be part of the problem?

Yes.

I fly my Genki in 2 mph or 50 # line.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 18, 2012, 08:04 AM
I flew for less than 1/2 hr today, twice I walked back to the house and both times by the time I got to 25' of the house it dive bombed the ground, it's about time give up on these SLK's for me. Yrsterday I destroyed my Zenith by dive bombing pavement, ripped the whole bottom rod pocket right off the kite.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: thief on June 25, 2012, 10:21 AM
you could get a phenomenally made genki.....a wee bit risque graphic.....actually it would be perfect to fly at Burning Man!
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Peter-Betancourt-KRISTEN-GENKI-KITE-Large-ONE-KIND-Signed-BEAUTIFUL-/00/s/MTA0MlgxNjAw/$(KGrHqZHJFUE91-s7eVEBPiyURW8qw~~60_12.JPG)

Peter is/was a master applique artist...the designs he sewed are amazing and encompass all types of interests...


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 25, 2012, 10:41 AM
you could get a phenomenally made genki.....a wee bit risque graphic.....actually it would be perfect to fly at Burning Man!
([url]http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Peter-Betancourt-KRISTEN-GENKI-KITE-Large-ONE-KIND-Signed-BEAUTIFUL-/00/s/MTA0MlgxNjAw/[/url]$(KGrHqZHJFUE91-s7eVEBPiyURW8qw~~60_12.JPG)

Peter is/was a master applique artist...the designs he sewed are amazing and encompass all types of interests...


There is something about her hair 8) that looks funny, but as I try to figure out :-[ what it is, I get distracted. . .  :-X


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Tmadz on June 25, 2012, 10:50 AM
I flew for less than 1/2 hr today, twice I walked back to the house and both times by the time I got to 25' of the house it dive bombed the ground, it's about time give up on these SLK's for me. Yrsterday I destroyed my Zenith by dive bombing pavement, ripped the whole bottom rod pocket right off the kite.

Mike what kind of space do your kites have to fly in? Do you have lots of land or is it compact? Especially if you have kites dropping and hitting pavemnt or are walking back to the house from where you launched them.

I'm Just trying to get a better understanding of you flight space.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 25, 2012, 12:22 PM
I flew for less than 1/2 hr today, twice I walked back to the house and both times by the time I got to 25' of the house it dive bombed the ground, it's about time give up on these SLK's for me. Yrsterday I destroyed my Zenith by dive bombing pavement, ripped the whole bottom rod pocket right off the kite.

Mike what kind of space do your kites have to fly in? Do you have lots of land or is it compact? Especially if you have kites dropping and hitting pavemnt or are walking back to the house from where you launched them.

I'm Just trying to get a better understanding of you flight space.
When I destroyed the one kite I was at a state park which was an overgrown parking lot, the ball fields they don't bother mowing. When I was at home and the kite kept falling out of the sky that was a different day, as far as my back yard where I fly, it takes about 15 gallons of gas or 10 gallons of diesel fuel to mow it each time and 2 days. The size is city blocks by city blocks. Sport kites aren't a problem here just the slk's.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Tmadz on June 25, 2012, 03:54 PM
When I destroyed the one kite I was at a state park which was an overgrown parking lot, the ball fields they don't bother mowing. When I was at home and the kite kept falling out of the sky that was a different day, as far as my back yard where I fly, it takes about 15 gallons of gas or 10 gallons of diesel fuel to mow it each time and 2 days. The size is city blocks by city blocks. Sport kites aren't a problem here just the slk's.
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Whoa. That's some space. Back forty more likely. I wish I had some room like that around here. 40 acres of flat land around here I could have my own kite gathering/party/festivus.

Too bad on the SLK's. I can't imagine the problem on your Genki. I want to get one at some point. Maybe attention gathering for a differeent reason that Rob's.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 25, 2012, 04:19 PM
I'm guessing it's a wind issue with the wind being bumpy and you overfly and then crash. 
Unless you winds are steady, you need to tend the line.  When you fly dualie, you tend the lines every minute and every second, you respond to dips and bumps in the wind.  When you fly a SLK in less than laboratory grade winds - like at a beach with steady winds, you still have to tend the lines.  When you have a change like a gust that dies off and the kite overflies and it's not tended, there is nothing to bring it back to station if it's not tended.  If the kite line is in your hands, you can respond with a tug or pull or let it slack and save it from the dive. 
It's not a dualie vs SLK problem, it's a tending problem.  SLK's in uneven/bumpy/crappy inlnad wind near trees/buildings/landforms, etc require you to tend the lines at times.  Yes you can sometimes tack them down and let them fly themselves, but don't expect them to auto-recover.
Good luck. ;)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 25, 2012, 06:00 PM
Yes there is good days and bad days here for the slk's. my neighbor's flag to the north flys in one direction my neighbor's flag to the south flys in a different direction at times. The neighbor to the north his flag is on his silo and I can't see the roof of his house. My woods go back 2040' and my elevation may be 100' difference from high to low maybe more, and across the road the pines are on higher elevation than me. I never flew at the ocean, but their hotels are closer than where I fly from the trees.

One thing I notice is that the kites I fly here and there in my yard do fly in a different direction somewhat, not 180 difference. And the kites at a beach usually fly in one direction equally, in pictures anyways, and they are low low to the ground.

Here I was doing 7 kites, haven't flown since I broke that one kite, but I use 4-206' lines 2-150' lines and 1-112' line, none of those kites at the end of each line can't touch the stake nearest to it. They won't land on anything but the grass. That genki was out there in the yard aways, and I get 25' from the house and it falls twice before I get in the house once! My knee is already messed up from slk's falling this year! The darn tending to them is like trying to tend to 7 spinning plates on sticks in a handful football fields at one time.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 25, 2012, 08:49 PM
That genki was out there in the yard aways, and I get 25' from the house and it falls twice before I get in the house once!

Time to sell the Genki or retire it and fly another kite.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 26, 2012, 08:12 AM
To tell you the truth, I'm about ready to sell all my kites, lines, parts and rods.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: rncembal on June 26, 2012, 08:27 AM
Sound like you need to get more altitude or less. The changes in elevation and trees can create more than "bumps" Think more like a shore break in the ocean with a wave rolling. I've been in locations where it is very hard to get a better altitude as there is a height at which the kite seems to get pushed back down. There is also the rules of the kite demons at play. The further you get from your kite line the more likely they will bring you back. This why when experience show kiters like George Peters will ask someone to hold there kite for a minute and then go for lunch.
Rob   


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 26, 2012, 11:11 AM
I just took the genki out and it dive bombed the ground, this time the piece that holds the bungee to the kite ripped out. So this kite is now shot :'(
Now it's time to sell the rest of my kites. One buyer one price.


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 26, 2012, 01:40 PM
$5 ;)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 26, 2012, 01:55 PM
I just took the genki out and it dive bombed the ground, this time the piece that holds the bungee to the kite ripped out. So this kite is now shot :'(
Now it's time to sell the rest of my kites. One buyer one price.
Was it staked down or being actively held in hand?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 26, 2012, 06:18 PM
$5 ;)

$10  :)


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 26, 2012, 06:27 PM
Thank for out bidding me $5 was too much to pay for two blown out kites! :-[


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: mikeb on June 26, 2012, 07:27 PM
If you can email the pictures to one of us (thief or me), we would be happy to upload the pictures for you. I'm dying to get a Genki kite myself, so I'll be paying close attention to this thread.

Nancy
(email is in my profile)

2 weeks of thread and 2 weeks of kite, I hope it helped. :(


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Wayner on June 26, 2012, 08:15 PM
Thank for out bidding me $5 was too much to pay for two blown out kites! :-[

I thought it was 7 kites.  ::)



Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on June 26, 2012, 08:20 PM
Thank for out bidding me $5 was too much to pay for two blown out kites! :-[

I thought it was 7 kites.  ::)


Okay $12


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Ca Ike on June 26, 2012, 08:50 PM
$13 and I know how to fix em :P


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on July 07, 2012, 04:49 PM
$15 not a penny more!


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Farmer_rob on July 07, 2012, 05:52 PM
15 an some BBQ


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Tmadz on July 07, 2012, 07:21 PM
What style of BBQ? Pork or Brisket? Throw in a wet wipe too. Mikeb?


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: Farmer_rob on July 07, 2012, 08:54 PM
I can do up a whole hog, a lil Carolina pulled pork, some Memphis style ribs...
My Q hand is strong


Title: Re: New Genki HELP!
Post by: boomertype on July 07, 2012, 09:05 PM
I can do up a whole hog, a lil Carolina pulled pork, some Memphis style ribs...
My Q hand is strong
For this platter, I'll show up! 8)