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Title: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 20, 2012, 12:06 PM
Hey, Iīve been flying stuntkites and powerkites for quite some time now (20 years) and now Iīve got 5 matching kites and wanted to fly them all at the same time. They looked great standing on the ground hehe, but as they took to the sky, the final kite looked as if it was caught i turbulence!? No need to say that they went straight to the ground, and after trying for one and a half hour, I gave up. between every kite, there is a distance of 1 metre, should the distance be greater!?


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: Gamelord on July 20, 2012, 12:31 PM
You failed to mention what kites you are trying to stack.  (I am also assuming you are stacking them and not flying each individually like Ray Bethall).

I will assume that you are stacking stunt kites.  Generally, the length of the stack lines between each kite is 3/4 the length of the leading edge.  If you have 1 meter (3.3 ft) this may be too much or not enough - depending on how big the kites you are flying are.

Another trick on stacks is to shorten the bottom lines on the rear kite to add a little drag so it stays in formation better.


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
Ah yeah, sorry, Iīm trying to stack the 5 kites, delta kites, they meassure 125 cm X 70 cm!


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: jeepersjoey on July 20, 2012, 06:59 PM
I was working on stacking two kites.  In order to determine the optimal distance I built 10 leaders that were 12 inches in length.  I placed a knot at 1" increment on 5 and 1/2" increment on the other 5.

I put 5 of the 1" leaders on the the front kite.  I put 5 of the 1/2" leaders on the back kite.

I made a 5 18" strings with loops at the end.

I flew and made 1/2" adjustments until I got to the right spot.

Those things fly like they are on rails now!  I can do 360s all day long.  I can do full axles with both as well.

Perfect!  Experiment!
Paul


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 21, 2012, 06:49 AM
Maybe its my  English ;) But I donīt quite understand what you mean by that Paul!?


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: Ca Ike on July 21, 2012, 08:54 AM
What model kite are you stacking?  Measure the leading edge, divide by 4, then subtract that number from the total length of the leading edge.  That will be your link line length. Make sure all the link lines are exactly the same length. On the last kite shorten the bottom, outer links by 1 inch to start with and if the last kite still tries to wobble then shorten the lines by another 1/2 in and test again.  The wobble I'm talking about is where the last kite looks like it flies faster than the rest so it leaps forward and gets pulled back by the links constantly moving nose to tail as the stack flies.


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 21, 2012, 10:59 AM
Well, itīs a sport/stuntkite like the stuntkite on the following link...

http://www.cyberobjex.com/flashhelp/kite_anatomy.htm (http://www.cyberobjex.com/flashhelp/kite_anatomy.htm)

On each side of the kite, the bridles are attached at three points, how should I attach my lines, two at each side, or one in the center and one at each side where the top bridle are attached!?



Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: Ca Ike on July 21, 2012, 11:17 AM
you need 5 link lines for each kite.  One at each bridle point on the leading edges (spreader fittings) and one at the center T


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 21, 2012, 11:29 AM
Okay, thanks, Iīm going to start right now on fixing the bugs, canīt wait to see if it did the trick ;)


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: red sweater on July 21, 2012, 07:31 PM
I was working on stacking two kites.  In order to determine the optimal distance I built 10 leaders that were 12 inches in length.  I placed a knot at 1" increment on 5 and 1/2" increment on the other 5.

I put 5 of the 1" leaders on the the front kite.  I put 5 of the 1/2" leaders on the back kite.

I made a 5 18" strings with loops at the end.

I flew and made 1/2" adjustments until I got to the right spot.

Those things fly like they are on rails now!  I can do 360s all day long.  I can do full axles with both as well.

Perfect!  Experiment!
Paul

I know next to nothing about stacking, but I've never seen a video of a stack doing axels or other slackline tricks. This is really a thing? Can you link a video? I'd love to see that.


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: Ca Ike on July 21, 2012, 07:45 PM
gwtwkites.com presents: 3D Amazing Grace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8q0ugqBvA8#)  Best indoor 3d vid ever


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 21, 2012, 10:55 PM
you need 5 link lines for each kite.  One at each bridle point on the leading edges (spreader fittings) and one at the center T

Why the center T!? Itīs in line with the two bottom leading edge lines!?


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: chilese on July 21, 2012, 11:56 PM
Because you will break the center-T on all trained kites.

All sport kites when flown by themselves are supported at 5 points.

So when you train them, the center-T of each kite must be supported,

just like the first kite center-T is supported by the bridle.

Would you fly a sport kite with the bridle lines removed from the center-T?  :o

5 train lines for all following sport kites
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vCulEV9rH3A/S1ybmV5_0nI/AAAAAAAABHs/Ioudjk1JM0o/s800/3202%2520Wakeless%2520Stack.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2010Kites#5430386333719712370)


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 22, 2012, 01:17 AM
Ah, that makes sence, thanx ;)


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: Kantaxel on July 23, 2012, 04:50 AM
Because you will break the center-T on all trained kites.

All sport kites when flown by themselves are supported at 5 points.

So when you train them, the center-T of each kite must be supported,


Not positively so in every case.........We have a ten stack of Microns (second generation) and only # one is supported at the center tee because of the bridle........All nine others are linked with four lines apiece at the upper and lower spreader attach points........Have flown it in 20 MPH winds and nary a problem.......I agree though that heaver kites do need more trussing for to keep them from wobbling and the inevitable death spiral that would result.


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: boomertype on July 23, 2012, 06:51 AM
Because you will break the center-T on all trained kites.

All sport kites when flown by themselves are supported at 5 points.

So when you train them, the center-T of each kite must be supported,


Not positively so in every case.........We have a ten stack of Microns (second generation) and only # one is supported at the center tee because of the bridle........All nine others are linked with four lines apiece at the upper and lower spreader attach points........Have flown it in 20 MPH winds and nary a problem.......I agree though that heaver kites do need more trussing for to keep them from wobbling and the inevitable death spiral that would result.
The Micron stack comes from Prism with a center tee stack line.  The Prism website pictures show the center tee connected.


Title: Re: Flying multiple stuntkites
Post by: wellemberg on July 23, 2012, 09:44 AM
I guess Iīll just have to see what works best for my kites (the ones at my profilephoto)