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Title: Getting airborne
Post by: wellemberg on July 23, 2012, 10:39 AM
I was just wondering how those guys with powerkites get lifted up in the air, it looks pretty cool when they do that. Do they pull back on the bar!?


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: red sweater on July 23, 2012, 10:50 AM
Pendulum jump.
http://forum.kitecrowd.com/recreational/pendulum-jump-fully-demonstrated-flash-player-101815.html (http://forum.kitecrowd.com/recreational/pendulum-jump-fully-demonstrated-flash-player-101815.html)


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: thief on July 23, 2012, 10:54 AM
practice....lots of it....
BE VERY CAREFUL! (of course)....


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: Smeagol on July 23, 2012, 11:04 AM
Anyone want to buy my Blade VIP?  It's perfect for this. ;)

dangerous!  You definitely need safety gear: helmet, knee/elbow pads, etc.

I've been trying to learn the pendulum jump, but I think I'm gettin' too old.  The VIP scares me.  ???

-Mike


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: wellemberg on July 23, 2012, 11:06 AM
Hahaha, I guess itīll be ALOT cheaper for me to buy one here in Denmark ;)


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: indigo_wolf on July 23, 2012, 12:41 PM
Things don't always go according to plans.

Flexifoil Bullet 5.5M Superman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WKbZWvo-GY#ws)

Unexpectedly high Ace 5M Lift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oveLq6j4JUw#noexternalembed)

If you have never flown a powerkite before, jumping is not something you should be planning to do with your first one.

ATB,
Sam



Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: Tmadz on July 23, 2012, 12:55 PM
I was thinking about getting into power kiting, but that just made me reconsider.


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: wellemberg on July 23, 2012, 01:19 PM
OUCH!!!
Iīve been flying with powerkites for a long time, but smaller powerkites though. I was thinking of trying kiteboarding, you know on land! And I think a smaller kite than a 5.5 would be more than enough for me to start out with!


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: red sweater on July 23, 2012, 01:26 PM
I was thinking about getting into power kiting, but that just made me reconsider.
+1

Thanks, indigo.


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: ko on July 24, 2012, 08:23 AM
short but sweet. thanks Sam


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: Wayner on July 24, 2012, 11:36 AM
Look like the Coyote trying to catch the road runner with the same result.

Must be an Acme kite?  :D


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: thief on July 24, 2012, 12:45 PM
(http://ventsnick.free.fr/Soissons2012/Dimanche/slides/P1000522.JPG)


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: indigo_wolf on July 24, 2012, 12:51 PM
BANDWIDTH WARNING - Do not attempt to view this post on a mobile device.  GPUs will burn & brick


OK.... I think my last post was too terse and might have been misinterpreted.

If you have an interest in powerkites, I am not saying don't pursue it... I am not saying powerkites only lead to pain, misery and mangled body parts.

I am saying respect the wind and respect the power that can be generated by even moderate size powerkites.

In 2010 a 2.7 Vapor (granted it is a race kite and built for speed) was enough to power Fast Arie to a (then) speed record of 82.9 m/h (133.4 km/h).  That's one adult size male and a buggy weighing close to 100 lbs. (for fun compare his speed to the highway traffic in the background).

World Speed Record in Kite Buggy 82.9 m/h, 133.4 km/h (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJngbNv2mNY#ws)

www.powerkiteforum.com (http://www.powerkiteforum.com) is a good source of information and populated with all kinds of helpful folks.  One of the threads that often pops up thee is someone has seen a kite jumping video and wants to dive right into it.  The problem is that to safely jump, you need a 5M kite or better.  Smaller kites will get you airborne in the right winds, but they don't have enough canopy area to sustain the "float" required to bring you safely and softly back to ground.

The problem is that a 5M kite is NOT suitable for learning on. 

Either because of costs or impatience, lots of people can't be convinced that then need more than one kite for different wind conditions (think UL, STD, Vented for dual line kites) or to accomodate a learning curve.  So they go out buying something too large, fly overpowered and hurt themselves.  Or due to cost considerations, they get a kite that is too small and doesn't generate power until you take it out in nukin' winds.  Small kite + nukin winds = ballistic speeds that make it more difficult to control where the kite is in the wind window and how much power it is creating.

Arguably, depower kites are safer for jumping as you can control the power output by altering the angle of attack, projected area (curve), and/or camber of the canopy.  However, the buy-in for a new moderate sized depower kite is $800-$1200+, then add $100-$200 for a harness, $20-$30 for a spreader bar, $40-$50 for a safety leash, $70-$150 for a helmet, $50-80 for crash pads. 

So fixed power or depower, the beginer power kiter starts looking for bargains which equates to no-name kites on eBay or much older gear with less than stellar safety systems... either route is a recipe for bad juju.

A safer route is to
  • Read up (plenty of online stuff and active forums dedicated to powerkites)
  • Listen when people warn you about stuff and slow down... the wind will still be there.... eventually  ;)
  • If there are other flyers in your area, try to meet up with them.
  • Chris and the HQ folks are at a lot of events around the US during the season with demo gear (expect HQ is present at a lot of events in other countries too).

Mad props to the people that put the time in, get wicked good and make it look (relatively) easy.

Essex Spring Sessions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNBFXYwb344#ws)

HQ - Matrixx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTufYCAQokU#ws)

New Levels - PUSH Kiting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYRGtdZX1Zo#ws)

Kiteloop Kings by PUSH Kiting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjSV3dtD2-k#ws)

PETER LYNN VIDEO kite landboarding freestyle Dan Smith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLY2mpDNm4#)

Just like dual lines, you don't have to reach competition or team rider levels of competence to just enjoy yourself.

Ozone Method.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAZgvLiA-BI#ws)

One hundred bucks worth of fun.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bba1Uw6uzv0#ws)



ATB,
Sam



Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: Smeagol on July 24, 2012, 12:57 PM
+1.. great advice Sam.


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: mikeb on July 24, 2012, 01:37 PM
Here is some airborne. ???

kite boarding gone wrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vIzu0K6dAI#)


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: indigo_wolf on July 24, 2012, 02:38 PM
Here is some airborne. ???

kite boarding gone wrong ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vIzu0K6dAI#[/url])


Fake.... it's from a Sprite Zero ad, but I guess that qualifies as reality in some corners of the iterwebz  :D

Funny Sprite Zero Kite Surfer Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSlByA1SFzs#)

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: red sweater on July 25, 2012, 02:55 PM
Either because of costs or impatience, lots of people can't be convinced that then need more than one kite for different wind conditions (think UL, STD, Vented for dual line kites) or to accomodate a learning curve.  So they go out buying something too large, fly overpowered and hurt themselves.  Or due to cost considerations, they get a kite that is too small and doesn't generate power until you take it out in nukin' winds.  Small kite + nukin winds = ballistic speeds that make it more difficult to control where the kite is in the wind window and how much power it is creating.


You mean I won't be catching some sweet, sweet air on my latest purchase?
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5346/superskatesail.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/superskatesail.jpg/)

 :D


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: Tmadz on July 25, 2012, 06:00 PM
Thanks for the info Sam. I just agreed to buy a sweet setup from Kent at A Wind of Change. I can't wait to get it out and start learning to fly smart. I'm gonna forgo the board for a while to get used to the kite first. I already have a Snapshot so I have some idea of what foils are capable of. I gotta get a helmet and pads now.


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: wellemberg on July 26, 2012, 01:31 PM
What setup is that Tmadz?


Title: Re: Getting airborne
Post by: Tmadz on July 26, 2012, 05:55 PM
Kent had gotten in a used set with an Ozone Pure 4m kite and Akoni Kama Pro carbon fiber board with titanium spring trucks.

Call Kent at A Wind of Change or check out kitebookie.com on the right side of the screen here. I see several kites for sale. I suggest talking to Kent first to find out what is the best setup for you.