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Title: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 23, 2012, 04:07 PM
The Latest Greatest Kite to Beat All Kites.  ;)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii151/KenikeNui/IMG_0582Small.jpg)
Hugo (Correction) The Hugo Kite IS NOT being produced under the "Alphakites de." label. Mathias and Thorsten haven't decided on name for their joint effort.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Stuart99 on July 23, 2012, 04:33 PM
I like it.

Anymore videos of it?


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: chilese on July 23, 2012, 07:08 PM
Will the TNTs be on the Swap Meet?  :)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: jecko on July 23, 2012, 07:19 PM
Nice, very nice. :)

the Ultimate Polyvalent ?


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: jecko on July 23, 2012, 07:23 PM
Will the TNTs be on the Swap Meet?  :)

I think  Dwayne's TNT strong is on the swap meet.

I have a friend who's thinking of selling his Standard Comp,Strong and Zero.  ;)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on July 23, 2012, 10:57 PM
Nice looking kite! It looks like it has a sail profile / aspect ratio that I am more familiar with (compared to the TNT).

Any initial impressions?

Thanks,
Tom


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: coogee on July 24, 2012, 12:08 AM
Hi
   looks a cool bit of gear, fun fun fun!
          Mike


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: HiFly on July 24, 2012, 06:17 AM
Anymore videos of it?

http://vimeo.com/user4007779/videos (http://vimeo.com/user4007779/videos)
Hugo - Der Gerät
Hugo - Welzheim 2012
Geh ums Eck!
Erdbeben 2012


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 24, 2012, 09:32 AM
Great, now I NEED to fly one ;D


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 24, 2012, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the props.
John, I'm not ready to sell just yet.  ;)
The Hugo is on its way across the pond now.
I'll post something after I get a chance to fly it.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: HiFly on July 24, 2012, 10:38 AM
Any initial impressions?

use your favorite translator
http://www.drachenforum.net/forum/Hugo...wer-t72946.html (http://www.drachenforum.net/forum/Hugo...wer-t72946.html)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Stuart99 on July 24, 2012, 10:40 AM
Anymore videos of it?

[url]http://vimeo.com/user4007779/videos[/url] ([url]http://vimeo.com/user4007779/videos[/url])
Hugo - Der Gerät
Hugo - Welzheim 2012
Geh ums Eck!
Erdbeben 2012



Nice Hugo for sale, only flown on asphalt  ???


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 24, 2012, 12:08 PM
Nice Hugo for sale, only flown on asphalt  ???

Just add nocks and its good as new.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
I "borrowed" this photo of the first group of Hugos from Busterike.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii151/KenikeNui/hugo_familie.jpg)

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Ken Bour on July 26, 2012, 12:40 PM
I have a friend who's thinking of selling his Standard Comp,Strong and Zero.  ;)

I would be interested in the TNT Zero if your friend decides to sell it and depending on price/condition.

Ken


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on July 26, 2012, 01:24 PM
Will the TNTs be on the Swap Meet?  :)

Do you have the SUL/Zero on order as well?


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 26, 2012, 03:09 PM
Will the TNTs be on the Swap Meet?  :)


Do you have the SUL/Zero on order as well?


Do you mean this Zero ?

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii151/KenikeNui/DSC01993.jpg)

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on July 26, 2012, 03:30 PM
I was thinking of the HUGO sul.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 26, 2012, 03:34 PM
The std is the only version available at the moment.
They are working on a UL version now though.


Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Mr.Derrick on July 27, 2012, 07:14 AM
First hugo i see with white sail... congratulation ! This Version looks very hot.

Mine, is last one, at the far end of the line.
After one week flying hugo (maybe 20 hours) , the smily on my face will not pass.

Wish you a lot of fun with yours too.



I was thinking of the HUGO sul.
You don`t need an SUL.
I Have flow the preproduction UL side by side with SUL Kites (Windspeed round about 3...4 km/h) and he must not go to bag when other pilots flying stds. And i have flow my hugo std wihle my girlfriend have fun with her Black Pearl UL.







Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 27, 2012, 07:24 AM
Thanks Dirk. Your purple Hugo looks sharp.
Nice seeing them both in the same picture.
I think I'm going to like this kite a lot.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Mr.Derrick on July 29, 2012, 02:52 AM
:-)

lively colors...

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e9YmCjex-YQ/UBUFzY0XaNI/AAAAAAAAAko/-catfPYChXA/s1280/IMG_0002_.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n7Nu4eUZFtE/UBUF09Vu42I/AAAAAAAAAk0/lGU4iqyGCQ4/s1152/IMG_0016_.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vr0tLqf55P4/UBUF88Q0vrI/AAAAAAAAAl0/eqaSusF1KDM/s1280/IMG_0074_.jpg)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 29, 2012, 11:42 AM
Nice looking kite Dirk.
In those pictures the silver looks white.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on July 31, 2012, 05:07 AM
I was just informed by Mathias that the Hugo kite is not being produced by Alphakites de. It is a joint effort between Mathias Haack (TNT) and Thorsten Mikus (Black Pearl). They haven't come up with a new name for the new joint effort yet.
If you're interested in ordering your own Hugo you can send your inquiries to hugo@busterike.de

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: zippy8 on July 31, 2012, 05:23 AM
They haven't come up with a new name for the new joint effort yet.
May I suggest Victor Kites, which would make this kite the........

Mike,
classicist.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: jaydub on July 31, 2012, 08:13 AM
.......The Esmerelda. ;)

(Picks up his coat and leves by the side door)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 01, 2012, 05:33 AM
Great, now I NEED to fly one ;D

I'll be in Bandon, Or. the 17th, 18th, and 19th if you want to give it a go James.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 01, 2012, 06:20 AM
.......The Esmerelda. ;)

The Quasimodo 

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: coogee on August 01, 2012, 12:58 PM
The Igo then the Hugo then  the Wego then the Theygo  and  the Wherediditgo......
 Mike  ;)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: thief on August 01, 2012, 05:45 PM
The Latest Greatest Kite to Beat All Kites.  ;)
Is that just because it is more accessible than a Superfly?


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 01, 2012, 06:02 PM
I have to admit the pilot was "not" moving much in the video - it certainly is worth looking at or trying - no SUL needed - just a UL? HMMM ... this I doubt - but interesting kite - just to see how much inferior it is next to the Transformer or Fearless - so we are clear.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 01, 2012, 06:14 PM
The Transformer flies like duck with an ass full of buckshot by comparison.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Kantaxel on August 01, 2012, 08:17 PM
The Transformer flies like duck with an ass full of buckshot by comparison.  ;)

Denny

Uh Oh.................Time to Duck  (pun intended  >:( )

Jim


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on August 01, 2012, 09:42 PM
Now now boys - kites are like women, there are many ways to be beautiful in both form and function.   


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Fearless Object on August 01, 2012, 10:49 PM
Any good video of the kite to watch. TY

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Desertflier on August 01, 2012, 11:14 PM
I hunt waterfowl every season and neither my Sea Devil or Transformer has ever flown like a duck with it's ass full of shot.
Maybe you need to use a lighter load.  :D

I did think that comment was a little harsh towards an amazing kite built by an amazing kite builder.

To each his own, not everybody has the money or ability to always buy the latest and greatest.

Lucky you.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Mr.Derrick on August 01, 2012, 11:42 PM
I have to admit the pilot was "not" moving much in the video - it certainly is worth looking at or trying - no SUL needed - just a UL? HMMM ... this I doubt - but interesting kite - just to see how much inferior it is next to the Transformer or Fearless - so we are clear.

I know what makes you think why this could be an SUL or UL:  The movemants of Hugo are slow and have a flowty look... if you know how to do. But notice: the Kite in all but one video is a std version.

In my opinion SUL kites are realy interesting if you are a competition pilot and must have every time the max performance (force). There is the "ring of fire" you don`t have to leave - you could not move backward as much as you want, like a "normal" pilot.  If you are not competition pilot you will miss the flywheel mass or you fly only time floating tricks an leave the rest. So i only have the TNT UL comp and not the Zero, because there are only 3 or 4 days in a year i miss the Zero.

The Fearless and the Hugo are not comparable. Fearless is much faster, more agressive and the inputs are comlpetly differnt. Hugo is more precision kite witch could even trick very well.  At most Videos you see tricks, tricks and oncs more tricks, but if we are flying "not for the cam" there ist a big part that we are flying squares, corners consistent turns and long and straight lines. In this parts Hugo runs on rails and very steady in his speed.







Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 02, 2012, 05:16 AM
Maybe you need to use a lighter load.  :D

You think #4 shot is overkill ?

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 02, 2012, 06:14 AM
Over the last three years I did find two kites that flew close to the Fearless & Transformer: Focus Hydra and the Saber II. Although living in the U.S. I do not get to handle some of these European kites and lately I just been attending the Wildwood International Kite Festival. Its possible this Hugo kite has alot of good attributes since we have a guy from California, U.S. telling us this is the case. So as I said its worth looking at - this new kite by SAW impressed me also and seems to have alot characteristics like the Tattoo even though its not a SUL. Its the usual scenario every kite has its good and bad points however I have never seen a kite "fully" surpass a Fearless or Transformer line - but my idea of a stunt kite is tricking with little effort or very small inputs - it still requires a good amount of practice - there are no shortcuts. Currently - Lam is talking about putting vent windows in the SUL versions to stabilize the Tranformer even more with a sudden wind increase - this is perfection - so when you tell me its more of a precision kite than a trick kite - I am not sure what that means in 2012 - the Saber II had excellent tracking and did very well at tricking so I guess it has these characterstics - so if the wind is around 1 mph in July and the air temp is 65* at 8AM and its low tide and I have the full waterline to myself I should sell my Tattoo and run around MORE with this Hugo standard that can really track well - OK Dwayne  :D :D :D


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Kantaxel on August 02, 2012, 06:37 AM
This has the makings of an all out controversy....too bad I gotta go home and go to sleep after work..........I love a good kite brou-ha-ha :D

Jim


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: vertigo2u on August 02, 2012, 07:49 AM
I decided to do some comparison of my own...

I compared the watch this word  ??? ??? ??? WEIGHT of as many of the kites mentioned.  Euro and Lams kites.  Has anyone done this ???

The letters Std. Ul Sul ... Is there a standard amongst the kite builders of what defines what they call...Standard, Ultra Light, Super Ultra Light. ???  Nope...

None at all.. very,very subjective to say the least.  I looked at the weights of the Fearless and Sea Devil... The difference between what Lam calls Ultra Light and Standard is 5 grams ??????  Seriously !!!!

The Ocius Ultra Light is 8.8 oz.  Lam's Fearless Ultra Light is 2 oz heavier >>
Lam's SUL is 7 grams... Ocius Sul is close to 4 oz.

The Solus Std. is 10.7 oz.. The Fearless Ul is 10.8 grams. 

I am trying to compare the Level one TNT's and Hugo's for a builder's standard on what is called a Std. Kite or Ultra light...

I may be wrong on this but I think we as a buying consumer deserves some sort of Builder's Standard.

Someone spends big money to import a Kite from Canada or Europe and because of wind conditions or builder's own desire of "pull".  Then one buys a kite based on the mph that are rated with the kite.  I have read enough post to say that many buyer's are not happy with what is written and their own individual experience with the kite.

The weight of the kite is important when flying.  Depending on the wind...
There is no doubt that I fly Sky Burner Kites.  I have owned and flown Blue Moon Kites.  I didn't like I could not adjust the bridle for my own feel of "pull".

If Sky Burner was not in town would I be flying their kites???  Heck I probably would not be flying..

What I do know is when I read the weights of different kites sometimes,they don't match up.  Std. Ul,Sul...  Go figure.

I also looked at the price of these kites bought outside of CONUS.
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

For that money they should fly themselves.  Seriously.  Over $400 for a sport kite ?? No way Jose'... ???  Saw one in the swap meet going for $500 ...

Most kiter's on this forum feel spending over $200 for a kite is costly.  Spending that kinda of money on Euro money exchange and Import taxes for a kite made from parts bought from the USA.  Is not on their dance card.

My main point is give us a standard weight from Kite builders.  Not by saying on the bottom of the ad ... wind 2-5 mph ... says nothing.
Take the time and compare for yourselves.

One thing always rings true.  When the kite fly's for you.. no matter what it is... It's the best... I have changed my best a few times now... hehehehe.
Kite flying is also subjective to the skills of the pilot...


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on August 02, 2012, 08:16 AM
The weight matters to some degree, but it's like a car to my mind.  The MPG rating is more important than the weight of the car and neither tells you how it feels to drive the car (acceleration, cornering, torque, road and wheel feedback, etc).   The only way to evaluate it effectively is to drive it or, at least, watch someone else drive it which ca often tell you that may not like it.

Thanks for the comments comparing the fearless and hugo, Mr Derrick, that helps for sure to think about this new kite.  I felt the same way about the TNT - very floaty and much slower in tricking than what I had expected.   


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Kantaxel on August 02, 2012, 08:39 AM
Lets see:  You have SSUL-SUL-Light-Heavy Light-STD, Heavy Standard, and all the vents in between, (at least on Lam's kites-[vents I mean]) so you can imagine how much a serious kite would cost if one had to keep a design within a certain weight perameter.

Lams kites weigh more than most kites within the same realm cuz he knows where to put the weight.  Nope Vert, it's not all about weight...it's more about design.

BTW, I might be wrong, but I don't think Lam makes anything he calls an ultralight.

Now off to beddy bye for me :)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 02, 2012, 08:50 AM
This topic has no real beneficial endpoint. It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend and what works for you and how much you want to get out of your flying sessions. Certainly, depending on which side of the pond you live will pretty much dictate what kite you will fly from a group of high end regional kite makers. From having tried over three dozen sport kites in the last 10 years to me the Fearless and Transformer were my endpoint so I am biased to these two models. I do believe there is a certain minimum one has to spend to get a good flying machine (i.e., custom made kite) and not a mass-produced China kite. After this its round and round we go with our opinions. My only contention here is that when you tell me I do not need to own a SUL or for the Hugo you only need a UL then I am telling myself that this new entry kite has some potential, needs more workings by the kite maker to look at a Vent or SUL version and may indeed be one of the top custom made kites on the other side of the pond to come onto the market. But when Dwayne is shooting down the Fearless/Transformer line to a kite which currently carries only UL/Standard model version one has too question the ability of these kites to handle and trick in very low and high winds in the central window with out much pilot effort. The other thing about the Fearless/Transformer line is the wide wind range each kite has without any bridle adjustments being required. From my expereince the Fearless has a wider wind range since its more massive such as the Vented Light being a good example. I also do not see much differences in the inputs just that the Transformer is quicker being less massive but my inputs into different trick combinations remain the same for both kite models.  ;)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 02, 2012, 09:03 AM
Well Joe, for example, a Transformer Light weighs more than a TNT std. (BTW, Level One has nothing at all to do with the TNT.) and has more weight in the tail than a TNT Strong (High Wind). IMO the Transformer does a few things easily but doesn't do anything particularly well. I flew mine once, went home and scratched my head. Flew it again and sold it. But that's why there are so many different kites out there. Different people like different things from their kites. What I like in a kite has changed over the years. Its likely to change over the next few years as well.
FWIW, kites are a cheap hobby. Even at $500 a pop. I have RC Helis that cost near $2,000 ea. I have a set of golf clubs that cost about the same. So a $500 kite that doesn't incur green fees or need fuel to fly is cheap.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: vertigo2u on August 02, 2012, 09:17 AM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

<---used to live to golf... It's cheaper.  I gave up on R/c's cause  I kept crashing so much.   :D :D :D :D

I just get confused on the Std. Ul thing.. I even sked Jon number of times.  It's subjective.  But your right at some point interest do change.  I am getting curious about flying a REV...

Any time you want to swap kites for a week or two let me know.../   I'd like to try a TNT but I live in Sky Burner country.  I think you said once you never flew a Widow Maker.  Wish we had a nice kite borrowing system set up..

But I disagee on one point.  The Weight of the Kite does make a difference.  That is from the Chief...

None of the Top Shelve Kites have any design problems... It's bridle adjustments and weight.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on August 02, 2012, 09:44 AM
My Trans SUL flys both lower and higher (effectively) than my TNT UL.   I have no idea what they weigh.


Having said that, these kites are much different and have different goals.  In my opinion, TNT is all about smooth moves and transitions in a slower and floaty style and it's about perfect for that.  It also does amazing flat spins like an old school kite (but still all the newer stuff as well).  The Trans tricks faster, more easily, more readily, and tracks much better, but it takes more care  to make it look as smooth as the TNT (or Fearless) does by default.  It's also considerably smaller than the TNT and just feels more agile to me. 

Each is about perfect given the right wind - its just that the right wind range for the Trans is bigger and I prefer it's more active style, so I always pull that one out of the bag.   I do think that the TNT is the finest example of a kite that does both the older flat spin stuff as well as the newer pitch based stuff that I've flown - a category that to me blue moons kites did very very well.

Anyhow, it's all in what you like.    If I could carry them all more easily, I'd likely have more kites.



Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: vertigo2u on August 02, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sometimes I wish this was all voice and not a few sentences.  So many have so much with little space.  It would be great to have a large discussion on different subjects. 

But my offer still stands to a number of flyer's.. I'd be glad to borrow out and In .. A TNT or Talon, Fearless ..Sea Devil.. You can look in my kite bag see what I have ...


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 08, 2012, 04:51 PM
Hugo is officially MIA.
After sitting for a week in US Customs NY NY, Hugo made it to a USPS sort facility in Jersey City. It departed there Sunday afternoon and hasn't been heard from since. Today the USPS informed me they have no idea where its at.  ::)

Denny


Title: Re: Re: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: madhabitz on August 08, 2012, 11:38 PM
Quote

WTF does that have to do with the Hugo ? You Lamanites need to start your own thread and stop polluting this one with your inane BS.

Denny

Simmah down now Denny....... If you back-read this very thread you will see that the original topic veered off course & you even participated.

It's telling that Adam failed to say anything about the missing Hugo, but he's not really off topic at this point.

I am so sorry about Hugo. Have you been able to get any further information yet?


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Adamld13 on August 09, 2012, 06:51 AM
There sir Dwayne....it's like it never happened.

I skimmed thru the thread and read more about Lams kites than the Hugo.
Also somehow I missed the post about your kite disappearing so I understand your frustration.

This thread was way off topic before my post.

Cheer up.  ;)


Title: Re: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: madhabitz on August 09, 2012, 12:13 PM
I've got a couple of kites in transit right now myself. I'm guessing I wouldn't be feeling very cheery if one of them went missing.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: chilese on August 09, 2012, 12:14 PM
The question becomes,

"Where did Hu-go?"

Was the kite insured?

I sincerely hope it turns up unharmed.


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: justinpwheeler on August 09, 2012, 07:53 PM

...You Lamanites need to start your own thread and stop polluting this one with your inane BS.


That would be a fun discussion!

How many pages you think we could get before it got shut down?

:-)


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 10, 2012, 05:56 PM
The good news is Hugo showed up today.
The bad news is $53 priority shipping gets you a 5 day truck ride across the country. I wonder how much I would have had to pay to get it shipped by air ?

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Stuart99 on August 10, 2012, 06:09 PM
Next time ship it to me. I'll test it for you and then send it priority to CA from VA (everything I've sent priority from VA to CA, and vise verse, has gone air in 3 days or less).

 ;D


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on August 10, 2012, 06:12 PM
I'm glad it showed up - even insured, the hassle of waiting for a replacement would have been a PITA.


Title: Re: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: madhabitz on August 10, 2012, 06:29 PM
So glad the news is good!


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on August 11, 2012, 07:57 AM
I got to spend a couple of hours with Hugo this morning. Its a totally different animal than the TNT. In many ways it reminds me of the Vendetta. Its big, slow, and tracks on rails, though it flies in considerably lower winds and requires less input than the V.
I'll give a more detailed assessment when I get back from the Oregon coast.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on September 03, 2012, 05:19 AM
I have to admit the pilot was "not" moving much in the video - it certainly is worth looking at or trying - no SUL needed - just a UL? HMMM ... this I doubt - but interesting kite - just to see how much inferior it is next to the Transformer or Fearless - so we are clear.

When you learn how to fly you'll find that std. and UL kites have a much wider wind window than they did when you were still in the flailing stage.
I started to make a list of all the ways the Transformer is inferior to Hugo but the list got way too long so suffice it to say the Transformer is inferior to Hugo in almost every way conceivable.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Wayner on September 03, 2012, 09:14 AM
I have to admit the pilot was "not" moving much in the video - it certainly is worth looking at or trying - no SUL needed - just a UL? HMMM ... this I doubt - but interesting kite - just to see how much inferior it is next to the Transformer or Fearless - so we are clear.

When you learn how to fly you'll find that std. and UL kites have a much wider wind window than it did when you were still in the flailing stage.


So true.


I started to make a list of all the ways the Transformer is inferior to Hugo but the list got way too long so suffice it to say the Transformer is inferior to Hugo in almost every way conceivable.

Denny

Hugo sounds like my type of kite.

Instead of the long list, how about the short list where the Transformer has the edge?

Thanks
Wayne


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on September 03, 2012, 12:11 PM

Instead of the long list, how about the short list where the Transformer has the edge?

Thanks
Wayne

The Transformer is more forgiving of "not quite right" inputs.

Denny


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: tpatter on September 03, 2012, 12:50 PM
I liked it better when we argued about politics!  :)

So you are saying that one kite wants you to work for your tricks while the other gives them away for free?  :).  Just kidding.....


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Wayner on September 03, 2012, 01:07 PM
I liked it better when we argued about politics!  :)

So you are saying that one kite wants you to work for your tricks while the other gives them away for free?  :).  Just kidding.....

 :D  :D  :D


Instead of the long list, how about the short list where the Transformer has the edge?

Thanks
Wayne

The Transformer is more forgiving of "not quite right" inputs.

Denny

I'm a master of the "not quite right" inputs. Even now I can hear Chilese barking out instructions in my ear as I complete another sloppy trick  ;)



Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Kantaxel on September 04, 2012, 11:55 AM


I'm a master of the "not quite right" inputs. Even now I can hear Chilese barking out instructions in my ear as I complete another sloppy trick  ;)



I'd say ANY way you can get the trick done, sloppy inputs or not, is right fine by me...........I think I could more than challenge you on whom's the most master of sloppy technque.

Jim


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: Wayner on September 04, 2012, 02:38 PM


I'm a master of the "not quite right" inputs. Even now I can hear Chilese barking out instructions in my ear as I complete another sloppy trick  ;)



I'd say ANY way you can get the trick done, sloppy inputs or not, is right fine by me...........I think I could more than challenge you on whom's the most master of sloppy technque.

Jim


Jim, I have to warn you I'm pretty competitive. ;)

"Master of Sloppy Technque" That is a title work fighting for.  ;D

Starting on combos tricks is forcing me to clean up my act  :D  :D  :D


Title: Re: The Latest Greatest
Post by: DWayne on September 17, 2012, 04:59 PM
so if the wind is around 1 mph in July and the air temp is 65* at 8AM and its low tide and I have the full waterline to myself I should sell my Tattoo and run around MORE with this Hugo standard that can really track well - OK Dwayne  :D :D :D

I never suggested that you sell your kites or that you buy a Hugo. In fact I'll say that if you really like your Transformer, keep it and save your money. You wouldn't like the Hugo at all.  ;)

Denny