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Title: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 04, 2012, 08:42 PM
Well I remember flying kites as a kid and trying to build our own with scraps of whatever we could get our hands on. Oh the fun we had trying to get our pile of sticks and plastic baggies to fly.

Had a box kite that my older brother got for me, took me flying and we always had a blast.

Well I have kids of my own and they want to fly kites. I've gotten them some sheap one's from Walmart and we have a blast. I have fun with them but now I am kinda getting the bug to fly a stunt kite. I've been flying RC Models for a number of years and love flying anything that flies. I have been looking around and have seen some intersting kites.

I live on Maui and there are many areas where theres various wind conditions and figured it would be great to make use of all this wind. There aren't many kite flyers here as there are so many ocean activities that keep us busy. I'd like to take advantage of the winds we do have and start getting into sport kite flying.

What is a good beginner to intermediate type of kite? Which should I start with, double or quad line? You know the drill.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Mahalo from Maui, Hawaii.

Les


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: DWayne on August 04, 2012, 09:08 PM
Aloha No.
Welcome to the forum.
Start with a full size kite that's designed to take the abuse a beginner will give it. You'll get lots of good suggestions as to which one.
Drop our host a line, he's more than qualified to get you started in the right direction.  ;)
And remember, despite the rumors, Kona No Ka Oi.  8)

Denny


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Jynx on August 04, 2012, 09:11 PM
IMHO ~

I suggest a Revolution 1.5 quad-line kite right-out-of-the-gate. I've flown both dualie and now exclusively fly Revs... and they're the most awesome performing kites! 

 ::)  I'm not going to make many (dual-line) friends here, but...
most Rev flyers, who used to fly dual-line, find the dualies hide in their bag  :'( once they entered the "Dark-Side" of quad-line flying!   ;D



Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 04, 2012, 09:19 PM
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And remember, despite the rumors, Kona No Ka Oi.

Well having lived in Kona for almost 10 years I can it can be a really great place, that being said Maui is also a great place, with much less vog and the headaches when the Ironman comes to town.

I havew been looking at those Revolution kites and really want one but thinking it maybe too much for a beginner. But after thinking about it, if I can fly RC Helis a quad line kite might be a very enjoyable learning experience.

Thanks guys,

Les


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: DWayne on August 04, 2012, 09:34 PM
Yeah, Maui is a great place. I never could decide if I liked Lahaina or Hana best.
Lot of RC guys end up flying kites. I have a T-Rex 450 and 600 and a couple of fixed wing planes. Quit a few others here fly as well.
I don't think you'll have any trouble learning either dual or quad line kites. RC guys seem to make the transition without much problem.

Denny


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: B-13 on August 04, 2012, 09:45 PM
IMHO ~

I suggest a Revolution 1.5 quad-line kite right-out-of-the-gate. I've flown both dualie and now exclusively fly Revs... and they're the most awesome performing kites! 

 ::)  I'm not going to make many (dual-line) friends here, but...
most Rev flyers, who used to fly dual-line, find the dualies hide in their bag  :'( once they entered the "Dark-Side" of quad-line flying!   ;D



Having flown duals for years before and almost two years now that i got a bunch of other new dual kites.
I stepped into the dark side last year and only fly the duals from time to time.
They are definitively different beasts but i feel one only when flying my REVs.
duals are exciting when the freestyle bug bite me :)

 


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: adx1592 on August 05, 2012, 03:28 AM
I'm going to break the trend and say I've been a dualie flyer for 15 years, and have owned Revs and can get around on them but they've never kept my interest for any more than about 10 minutes at a time. Otherwise, they just don't do it for me. Nothing wrong with'em, just not my thing.
I agree with Colleen though, I'd start on a 1.5 or an exp, if you can get your hands on one.

For duals, look into a Prism Hypnotist or Quantum, maybe even something from Premier like a wolf or widow if you're a bit more adventurous. The Flying Wings Beetle is also a super well known beginner, but not full size and gets a bit antsy in higher winds unless you have the high wind attachment kit. Out of the three I'd go with the Hypno, and if you get better and better and dont want to buy another kite to advance with, you can reframe the hypno with skyshark tubes (mod is on kiteclique) and throw some yoyo stoppers on it, and it becomes quite a capable kite! Just another way to save some cash.

Happy flying!


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Hadge on August 05, 2012, 06:12 AM
Like ADX, I too have tried Quads after several years flying duals and have come back to duals - just too many lines on Quads.  Having said that if you have watched videos of Quads and like the idea of trying them then you are in an excellent position - it's much easier to learn to fly Quads when you have very little flying experience than it is after years of flying duals.

If you decide to go with duals then the Hypnotist would be an excellent choice for a beginner - strong enough to take the abuse it will get while you are learning but tricky enough to make learning fun.

Be warned! if you really get into kite flying it can be a very expensive hobby as many here can confirm!!


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 05, 2012, 10:26 AM
Yeah I have had many helis and planes. I just have a T500FBL now and have taken a little break from helis and been just having fun with my foamies. I actually flown all the Align helis with the exception of the helis post 700N. Had a few raptors, vibe 50/90, and a few scale helis. FLown glo planes and gassers, gliders, slopers you get the picture.

I live near a few parks big enough for the Revolution kites and have varying winds as well. Most of the winds where I will fly will primarily be in the 3-20mph range. I have watched several of the videos for Revoultion and it looks like a fun challenge.

Thanks for all the input guys.

Aloha,
Les


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: jim-bo on August 05, 2012, 01:40 PM
I do not fly any kite really well but I have tried both duals and quads. I believe if you like to fly patterns with others the quad is the way to go. If you fly by yourself then the dual line is more appropriate.


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: red sweater on August 05, 2012, 05:47 PM
I'm going to break the trend and say I've been a dualie flyer for 15 years, and have owned Revs and can get around on them but they've never kept my interest for any more than about 10 minutes at a time. Otherwise, they just don't do it for me. Nothing wrong with'em, just not my thing.

I've got both, as well (just one Rev), but just starting to learn some freestyle flying. I think it's a lot more exciting!


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: ko on August 05, 2012, 05:49 PM
I will go a step further , forget the Quad. also if you are used to buying RC stuff,  kiting is CHEAP Many will recommend the prism Hypnotist It also comes with a great video. what ever you decide HAVE FUN
regards Kurt


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: ray3619 on August 05, 2012, 07:35 PM
ok , you really dont need any more opinions but heres mine , ive got big ones small ones 2 line 4 line oh yea a couple 1 line , i like em all , just go buy the one that looks interesting to you , go learn and enjoy , then ask which one for your next kite , aloha ray


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Stogiez on August 11, 2012, 07:23 AM
For duals, look into a Prism Hypnotist or Quantum, maybe even something from Premier like a wolf or widow if you're a bit more adventurous. The Flying Wings Beetle is also a super well known beginner, but not full size and gets a bit antsy in higher winds unless you have the high wind attachment kit. Out of the three I'd go with the Hypno, and if you get better and better and dont want to buy another kite to advance with, you can reframe the hypno with skyshark tubes (mod is on kiteclique) and throw some yoyo stoppers on it, and it becomes quite a capable kite! Just another way to save some cash.

I have a Mirage/Hypnotist and while I'd recommend it for a beginner who has higher winds, I'd recommend a Nighthawk or Widow. Those are forgiving and good kites to grow with.

The Hypno is built like a tank and in lighter winds--flies like it. Plus it is a tip wrap monster. I just think that after the nose dive phase you'll want to upgrade. And yes--you can reframe it but then you're into the $$ above what even a high midlevel kite is.

I didn't stay in the nose dive phase too long.  Only reason why is because as adults, we want to avoid that and we learn what causes that and prevent it.

Having a few beginner kites, a few mids, and a couple of high ends, I'd start with a mid. 'hawk, Widow, Crossfire, most higher Prisms should fill the bill nicely.

Shaka.  Blissful breezes.

Stogiez


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: thief on August 11, 2012, 04:37 PM
Oh....where is rod247 now...if I remember traveled to Maui from the big island sometimes....and usually brought kites...


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 18, 2012, 02:12 PM
I found a little parafoil type of dual line kite locally. Are these types "frameless" a good choice for a beginner being it doesn't have a frame to break and making it a little more beginner friendly?

Aloha,
Les


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: boomertype on August 18, 2012, 06:07 PM
Go for control - go Rev.


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: chilese on August 19, 2012, 12:29 AM
I'd fly Revs more, but my legs still work.  ::)


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Tmadz on August 19, 2012, 07:58 AM
I'd fly Revs more, but my legs still work.  ::)

 :D :D


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Wayner on August 19, 2012, 02:47 PM
I found a little parafoil type of dual line kite locally. Are these types "frameless" a good choice for a beginner being it doesn't have a frame to break and making it a little more beginner friendly?

Aloha,
Les

Yes foil type kites can be a good first kite.
   
 


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 19, 2012, 04:00 PM
Well I ended up buying a Vision kite by Premier. Its a dual line Delta type kite.

Figure since it was here locally it might be a good place to start to get the feel of dual line kites.

Well let you guys know how it works out. Thanks everyone.

Les



edit: link to retailer removed, kite bought at his local kite shop Kite Stop
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Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 20, 2012, 09:13 AM
Well I had a chance to fly my new Vision by Premier yesterday and had a blast. My first few attempts at launching was pretty lame but after a few failed attempts I got it in the air. Didn't have it in the air for long and it plummeted to the ground nose first hehehe this is one pretty durable kite. I was not swayed to give up just yet. After a little while I was soon flying it like a pro, ok maybe not like a pro, but it was definately looking like I knew how to fly.

I started flying back and forth across the sky and from the videos and some light reading I found myself flying to far to the edge of the "wind Window" and my kite would stall. That coupled with the seemingly inconsistent winds made it a little difficult to keep my kite in the air. I never gave up and kept at it and was having a lot of fun. I managed to do a few loops in either direction after an hour or so, started gaining more control over my kite as the winds picked up a little and became more fun.

Will keep at it.

Aloha,
Les


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Wayner on August 20, 2012, 12:23 PM

Didn't have it in the air for long and it plummeted to the ground nose first.

Hey, your first trick, mine too   :D

Well I had a chance to fly my new Vision by Premier yesterday and had a blast.

 Sounds like you made great progress on your 1st flight.  :)



Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 22, 2012, 08:06 PM
Yes I actually made pretty good progress on my first outing. Its kind of gave me the confidence to believe I can do this transition from RC flying to kites. I think I may actually love both dual line and quads. Well let's just say any kind of kite I am sure I'll enjoy. I even had my son's single line Green Lantern kite up and was having a blast hehehe

I am sure I am goinf to loves this hobby just like my Rc one.

Aloha,
Les


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: Charles P on August 22, 2012, 10:54 PM
 My two cents, buy a Premier Designs Night Hawk, its a relatively inexpensive kite and can take some abuse (though you may want to put some shoe goo or liquid plastic on the nose as that is a problem area on this paricular kite. For the money it is hard to beat its tricking capabilities. Oh and Dual line all the way!   ;D


Title: Re: Newbie wanting to try Stunt Kites......
Post by: molokaiboy on August 22, 2012, 11:22 PM
Thanks for all the advice and tips guys. I think no matter what kind of kite I fly, I will enjoy it. I think since I don't plan on doing any competition type stuff, and will fly just for the love of flying just like my rc models. I'll love any kite!!

Mahalo,

Les