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Title: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: KiteChemist on August 06, 2012, 06:50 AM
I was thinking it those days. Since there are many "strange" sports in olimpics, why cannot STACK competitions be an olimpic sport?

For example it can rely on compulsories (both figures and trick) and a ballet.
Anyone had the same idea?


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: chilese on August 06, 2012, 02:04 PM
Many people have had the same idea over the years.

The subject comes up from time to time.

Hey, if a horse can be in the Olympics, why not kites?

Sadly, I feel it would be viewed at about the same level

of interest as rhythmic gymnastics with their twirly ribbons.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sHl6bJgL67E/T8B61lV0m4I/AAAAAAABF5Y/ojHXIumBDj0/s800/IMG_3099%2520Vented%2520Voodoo%2520tail.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2012Kites#5746728185500048258)


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: inewham on August 06, 2012, 03:27 PM
Sadly, I feel it would be viewed at about the same level
of interest as rhythmic gymnastics with their twirly ribbons.

At least the twirly ribbon has a pretty girl on one end, a kite with a fat guy on the end couldn't even match that  :D

People have been suggesting it for 20 years, the bottom line is the Olympics won't accept any more subjectively judged sports. In fact over here people tried and couldn't even get kiting recognized as a sport (but darts is a sport  ???)


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: RonG on August 06, 2012, 04:43 PM
Ah, is it that time again? Time to rehash the "why is kiting not an Olympic sport!" topic? Oh boy.

Rather than rehash all the old arguments, I think I'll just paraphrase some things I saw on a surfing forum recently re. why surfing isn't in the Olympics:

"It's too conditions dependent....it's judged subjectively...it's a participant's sport more than a spectator sport (lots of people surf, relatively few go out of their way to watch contests)".

All of those apply to kiting as well. A major difference is that surfing has millions of participants and relatively large sponsorship potential, and is undeniably "athletic". Kiting by comparison is relatively unknown and barely a blip on the sponsorship radar, and most participants aren't exactly athletes.

So tell me again why kiting should make it into the Olympics?


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: ray3619 on August 06, 2012, 06:51 PM
ive been flying since the 80s , i starting to learn a few tricks , my boys are showing me , but honestly to me fast paced trick flying looks like an accident not really planned so whats it look like to joe public , does anybody even team fly anymore , just my 2 cents , ray


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: Allen Carter on August 06, 2012, 07:04 PM
Ah, is it that time again? Time to rehash the "why is kiting not an Olympic sport!" topic? Oh boy


Wow, Ron, come for an AKA thread and stay for an Olympics thread! See, you miss this place...  :D


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: mikenchico on August 06, 2012, 08:15 PM
Kite Flying was tried at the second Olympiad in France during 1900, not as an official event but as a demonstration event

http://blog.theslingshot.com/2011/08/10/lalala-lady-lady/ (http://blog.theslingshot.com/2011/08/10/lalala-lady-lady/)

For the full results and medal winners you can check here

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/summer/1900/BLN/mixed-kites-large.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/summer/1900/BLN/mixed-kites-large.html)

Click the events selection, there were 3 categories, Large, Medium & Small

Kiteboarding is set to become an Olympic Sport in 2016, I'm not sure it really belongs there either.

http://stevebodner.blogspot.com/2012/05/thoughts-on-2016-olympics-windsurfing.html (http://stevebodner.blogspot.com/2012/05/thoughts-on-2016-olympics-windsurfing.html)




Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: Flying Fish on August 07, 2012, 12:29 AM
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does anybody even team fly anymore


Most definitely yes! Am part of a dual-line pair and team. Click here (http://flyingfishkites.blogspot.co.uk/) if you want to know more about our pair- and team-flying. Several more dual-line pairs and teams active in the UK, as are several quad-line teams. Around the world, I know of about 60 pairs/teams, but no doubt I missed quite a few.


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (IRBC).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: zippy8 on August 07, 2012, 12:41 AM
Ah, is it that time again?

Apparently so.  :(

I will merely reiterate; if kiting as we know it is to be represented at a multi-sports event it will not be the Olympics but it might be at the World Air Games (http://www.fai.org/events/fai-world-air-games) or the World Games (http://www.theworldgames.org/). No, it won't be the swutting X Games, dude.

However the road to this is paved not with good intentions and inquisitive forum posts but with harder work than we've seen to date and considerably higher levels of participation.

I'd stick with Virtual Freestyle (http://www.virtualfreestyle.com/) if I were you.

Mike,
did I already tell my déjà vu joke ?



Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be avesome in olimpics?
Post by: KaoS on August 07, 2012, 05:04 PM
... to me fast paced trick flying looks like an accident not really planned so whats it look like to joe public...

Agreed!  In Bintulu last year, Lam was doing a routine for the crowd, but they could only watch from side on.  From that angle, they couldn't work out what the hell was going on and the crowd thinned out by half.  From where Lam was standing I'm sure it looked excellent


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: thief on August 07, 2012, 09:56 PM
...... I think I'll just paraphrase some things I saw on a surfing forum recently re. why surfing isn't in the Olympics:



Surfing forum? Are we losing you completely Ron?


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: RonG on August 08, 2012, 01:50 AM
...... I think I'll just paraphrase some things I saw on a surfing forum recently re. why surfing isn't in the Olympics:



Surfing forum? Are we losing you completely Ron?
When I moved to the beach I assumed I'd spend all my free time flying kites. Instead I spend all my free time surfing. Go figure.

Not lost completely, just a little burnt out.


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: zippy8 on August 08, 2012, 03:25 AM
most participants aren't exactly athletes.

If you haven't had a look at this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19050139) then do so to expand your view of what constitutes an "athlete". Do be careful not to overlook the little yellow square on the very far right of the chart. No.... further right. Keep going. There you are.

Mike.


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 08, 2012, 06:28 AM
I always considered stunt kite flying alot like golf. Does not take that much physical effort, its a lot harder than it looks and requires ALOT of practice and good equipment to perform well. There are a few things that kill this sport: 1- Poor advertising or sponsorship. 2- People starting out on $50 stunt kites with line used to wrap packages and simply giving up after one or two trips into their local wooded park. 3- Lack of tutors or experts to make people progress properly. 4- Lack of good wind constantly other than living at/or near a beach. 5- High expense for a suite of custom made kites to make life easier in the trick transition period. 6- AKA and its lack of TRICKS PARTY sponsorship but the AKA events did show me what the right tools were to put in my bag. Its simply a sport reserved for a select few with some spare cash lying around and probably living in the East/West coast states for the U.S. anyway with alot of determination to be a good pilot. God bless the die hard inlanders flying at deserted airports  :)
I consider myself lucky each time I hit the beach with a Lam kite. Very lucky! Its been a long hard road ... but I like stunt kiting. ALOT.

APJ


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: RonG on August 08, 2012, 07:52 AM
most participants aren't exactly athletes.

If you haven't had a look at this ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19050139[/url]) then do so to expand your view of what constitutes an "athlete". Do be careful not to overlook the little yellow square on the very far right of the chart. No.... further right. Keep going. There you are.

Athletes come in all sizes and shapes, but height/bodyweight ratio has little to do with it. An interesting chart, but about as useful when it comes to athletes as the ridiculous BMI (body mass index) charts that US insurance companies use to compute risk.

Consider:

1. An Olympic male weightlifter, 77kg class so roughly 169lbs, height 5'7. Body fat roughly 9% (or less), able to snatch over 170kg (374 lbs), clean and jerk 200kg (440 lbs).

2. A male couch potato, height 5'7", weighs around 169lbs. Body fat roughly 25%. Able to lift a 6 pack, provided it's only one can at a time.

Both these guys look the same on that BBC chart (and the BMI index).



Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: KiteChemist on August 09, 2012, 03:28 AM
I suspect it is only a matter of publicity. High cost of kites would be ruled out with good sponsorship from the nation.


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 09, 2012, 06:28 AM
It's probably also due to different fad's like roller blading, skate boarding, etc. which come and go but still linger after the craze - its funny - several times heading to the beach someone says to me - sharpening your golf game - practicing some sand play - we are CONDITIONED - to do certain things in our lives at certain points like playing golf when we retire or semi-retire - so when I say KITING - they get a brain freeze - and respond that's OK or sometimes nothing at all as they grin ... when I first started flying at North Beach, Asbury Park - the beach to the NORTH which is Deal, NJ beach never flew any kites on the beach - after a period of time there are 1-3 SLKs being flown every weekend ... sometimes the surfers will fly a small delta from there vans in the parking lot ... sounds weird but sort of just getting into the whole kite scene at this point at this beach spot ... could be just my imagination or simply coincidence? To the south is Ocean Grove and at the border of AP and OG is a kite shop - each year I donate a SLK  to this shop ... its been there now for 4 straight summers - Breezly Amused. I do what I can ...  :D


Title: Re: Stunt Kiting (STACK).... would be awesome in Olympics™
Post by: DGomberg on August 09, 2012, 08:43 AM
Been there. Spent considerable time and effort to present a full proposal. Worked with the International Kite Federation (an Olympic requirement). Got absolutely nowhere.

And this was at the height of sport kite competition.

Interesting part of this every-four-year discussion is that we presume sport kites are our best option. Actually fighters are flown in more countries, are less windependent, and have an objective, easily understood result.

dg