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Title: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: sugarbaker on August 14, 2012, 09:29 PM
So all of my kites are packed away waiting for me to move to Seattle with the exception of a recently acquired fearless light (thanks to Jim). While I suspect the fearless will keep me occupied during my time of transition, I'd like to take this opportunity to obtain another standard weight kite. I've wanted a Hydra for a while and have accepted the fact that I will probably not have the opportunity to get the original Focus sail pattern (unless Paul will loan me the templates to make my own... ). Now that ITW is making them I will probably go that way... The debate comes when I look at the Crackerjack. Not many videos, no noted reviews but the same price as the hydra.

Let me know your thoughts and put in a vote. If you have another kite in the 200-250 dollar range that you like better, write it in and vote for the 'write in option'


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: boomertype on August 14, 2012, 09:40 PM
Welcome to Seattle!


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: tpatter on August 14, 2012, 09:55 PM
You can get an Nfx for about that - one of the best price/performance kites in my opinion.  Next to my trans and fearless, it's one of m favorites.


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: jaydub on August 14, 2012, 10:53 PM
Worth looking at the German Drachenforum for some feedback on the Crackerjack.


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: KaoS on August 15, 2012, 12:34 AM
I can't speak about the HQ Crackerjack.  Certainly looks good in the videos.

I'd gently caution about buying a Hydra unless you've flown one.  I flew a Focus Hydra for a while back in 2009.  Very well made, great componentry, etc. an extremely competent trickster with a very wide wind range.  But it was a kite with enough individuality for me to eventually pass it on. I wouldn't go so far as to describe it as quirky, but it needed to be flown the way it was designed to be flown - not the way I prefer to fly.  Rather than change my flying style (or lack of) to suit the Hydra, I passed it on to someone who loves it.

If possible, try before you buy.


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: Hadge on August 15, 2012, 03:05 AM
Not flown the Hydra and the Crackerjack is a bit of an unknown quantity - looks good but recent big HQ kites haven't lived up to expectations - both the Falcon and the Infinity while good were not quite there.

In your price range I would very seriously consider the Flying Wings Soul - excellent kite with build quality right up there. Standard will fly from 4- mid high teens and it will do any trick you want and it's sooooo smooooth! It really is a very underated kite.


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: Kantaxel on August 15, 2012, 06:26 AM
If possible, try before you buy.

Stephen,
The Fearless is all you need.........Try it, and you won't care about anything else..............


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: DWayne on August 15, 2012, 08:03 AM
Try it, and you won't care about anything else..............

Is that the kite or the kool-aid you're talking about ?   :D

Denny


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: adx1592 on August 15, 2012, 09:06 AM
Honestly, I wouldn't go with either, even though I picked the crackerjack.
The Hydra and I never got along, or the Jinx for that matter. I literally could barely do anything on the kites, and when I did it looked pretty awful, just because it's so different from my flying style. Spent about a month trying to adapt, and couldn't do it. So I admitted defeat and sold them. Honestly if you want a 200 to 250 dollar kite thats a kick in the pants, I'd go with an Ocius UL. Smaller, faster, tricky, even tracky (haha), and has an awesome low end as well as upper. I've flown mine in 15mph on the middle knot and it was a total blast. My favorite of the Ocius line.


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: DD on August 15, 2012, 09:29 AM
If possible, try before you buy.

Stephen,
The Fearless is all you need.........Try it, and you won't care about anything else..............

and you can buy one new for 200-250?


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: sugarbaker on August 15, 2012, 10:23 AM

Stephen,
The Fearless is all you need.........Try it, and you won't care about anything else..............

and you can buy one new for 200-250?
[/quote]

He is referring to the fearless light I already have.


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: coogee on August 15, 2012, 01:04 PM
Hi Stephen
               why not just fly the Fearless for a while, should give you a greater appreciation of the kite and it's capabilities. This would mean that you would fly it outside of the optimal range of the kite and having one kite makes you focus on what you can do with that one kite. Treat it as some sort of "zen " journey.......... oh, and drink the koolaid   ;)
  Mike


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: DD on August 15, 2012, 01:46 PM
Hi Stephen
               why not just fly the Fearless for a while, should give you a greater appreciation of the kite and it's capabilities. This would mean that you would fly it outside of the optimal range of the kite and having one kite makes you focus on what you can do with that one kite. Treat it as some sort of "zen " journey.......... oh, and drink the koolaid   ;)
  Mike

Nah, must feed the addiction......more kites!!


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: Kantaxel on August 15, 2012, 03:13 PM
Try it, and you won't care about anything else..............

Is that the kite or the kool-aid you're talking about ?   :D

Denny

Both   ;)  They go together   8)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: Kantaxel on August 15, 2012, 03:15 PM
[...] oh, and drink the koolaid   ;)
Isn't it called Lamon-Aid?  ;D

That's only if you're a Lamanite


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: harveystubbs on August 15, 2012, 03:20 PM
I do not believe that one kite is all you need ..... One kite is only is not only a bad idea it's an impossibility.

If this is a kite forum and no-one has flown either of these two (or an l'atelier slash for that matter) here then who exactly is buying these kites !?  ::)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: harveystubbs on August 15, 2012, 03:23 PM
I suspect the HQ will be a one size fits all kite ..... A soul might be an option at this price point but I would still rather save up my money and buy something exotic or buy something exotic at this price second hand  8)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: Ca Ike on August 15, 2012, 04:12 PM
Don't know about the crackerjack but I have flown both hydra versions.  Personally I think Paul improved the hydra in the ITW version.  THe original always had a slightly heavy feel to it.  THe ITW hydra seems lighter, more responsive and overall smoother so IMO its worth getting the ITW hydra.  Plus the graphics change make the kite look like its smilin' and happy to be back in production lol.

(http://www.intothewind.com/images/sku_lg/7231-BLUE.jpg)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: coogee on August 16, 2012, 02:37 AM
Harvey you may want to look at Kites Anonymous.
     Mike


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: harveystubbs on August 16, 2012, 05:27 AM
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Harvey you may want to look at Kites Anonymous.
     Mike

Mike, What do you mean .... Is this for the HQ kite or the slash? 8)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: sugarbaker on August 18, 2012, 12:22 AM
ordered a Hydra from Steve today... along with a new line set.  I needed the lineset to fly my Fearless (all other sets are in storage... what was I thinking!?).  since I was putting in an order, I figured I'd go for the free shipping and added the Hydra.  It may not get much flight time this summer, but I think it will be nice to add to my collection.  Thanks for all the input (and allowing me to selectively disregard some of the good advice).



Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: jaydub on August 18, 2012, 01:59 AM
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Harvey you may want to look at Kites Anonymous.
     Mike

Mike, What do you mean .... Is this for the HQ kite or the slash? 8)
I hate to do this to you again, but....

"My name is Harvey and......." :D ;)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: harveystubbs on August 18, 2012, 02:47 AM
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Harvey you may want to look at Kites Anonymous.
     Mike

Mike, What do you mean .... Is this for the HQ kite or the slash?
I hate to do this to you again, but....

"My name is Harvey and......."

If you hate to do it then don't ..... very cruel ..... slightly true !  ;) 8)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: kepople on August 19, 2012, 06:41 AM
ordered a Hydra from Steve today... along with a new line set.  I needed the lineset to fly my Fearless (all other sets are in storage... what was I thinking!?).  since I was putting in an order, I figured I'd go for the free shipping and added the Hydra.  It may not get much flight time this summer, but I think it will be nice to add to my collection.  Thanks for all the input (and allowing me to selectively disregard some of the good advice).



That free shipping is a great deal.. I did that also one time. I had to order some end caps, so I bought a kite also to get the free shipping :-)

Which color hydra did you order?


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: sunsetflyers on August 19, 2012, 09:21 AM
steve is the best bought a few kites from him always great


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: sugarbaker on August 19, 2012, 11:34 AM
I ordered the blue color scheme. Looking forward to receiving it (and my lineset).


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: chilese on August 19, 2012, 01:24 PM
7 Blue photos start at the link below:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yekuf-GNntc/Txeyk1mWXWI/AAAAAAAA-es/C7bOTCOa2GA/s800/_DSC6826%2520MaryAnn%2520Hydra%2520Into%2520The%2520Wind.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/KTAI2012#5699220199393615202)


Title: Re: ITW Hydra or HQ Crackerjack
Post by: sugarbaker on August 19, 2012, 01:59 PM
I remember when you originally posted these photos, John. I was so happy to see them because Paul had told me there was a redesign of the panel layout from the original Focus pattern. He also was pleased with how the less expensive framing material was flying (compared to the original skyshark px series/Avia spreaders). He seemed to feel very strongly about making the kite perform well, but still be an obtainable price for a majority of fliers.

I forget how lucky I am to be able to pick up the boutique kites I have in my collection (BMK, Sportkite Design, Skysport Design, Skyburner etc.). I have one of he last Focus badged Jinx that Paul completed... I've wanted a hydra ever since and am happy to have the opportunity to get one (although I miss the old sail pattern and may try to swindle Paul into loaning me the original templates if he has gotten them from Hunter... I'm confident in my own skills enough to put together a hydra to match my jinx color scheme).

Anyway, I'll post some pictures of the hydra when it arrives.