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Title: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on August 29, 2012, 08:50 PM
Well Wednesday is Kite Night on the west side.   I got there about 4:00pm at School Craft College were we fly.  Wind SUCKED.  To start with our Soceer field was taken happens once a year.  Went to other side to fly and  no wind.  Took out Sul a few teaser's.  :'( :'(  About 6:00pm I decide to leave.  So at 6:15pm after good byes.  I head to Metro Beach.  I called 586-783-3112 for wind reprot.  South / 4 mph. 

About 50 minutes later I was in the parking lot.  58 minutes later I had someone video taping...    :D :D :D :D :D :D

It was a beautiful night.  Norm I did almost five FFF's.  Yep and Murphy's Law stuck it to me again.  You will see what is clearly me doing Five...but kite is out of picture...
I need some vasaline.    :D :D :D :D :D :D

But talk about half axels....   8) 8) 8) 8)

widow ul metro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCRnSZ5LKoo#ws)


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: trigger on August 29, 2012, 11:19 PM
i enjoyed that... felt bad for the cameraman(woman) during the down wind shots  ??? 

  maybe someday i will get to a wed. night fly with you guys  :'(



Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on August 30, 2012, 08:15 AM
A number of people were watching.  I cut a bunch of OOOOOOOOOhhh aaahhhhhhhh out.  People don't see flying so they were thrilled.  I know too many guys fly FAR better than me.  However, I cut some really good stuff.  It's about 11:15 am wind is 9 mph dropped from 11 mph.  Gonna start thinking about going to the Beach.  However, on Thursday nights we have a family fly night at the Beach.  I may go to alternative spot or get a haircut today...  :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: trigger on August 30, 2012, 10:01 AM
yea... i was gonna recommend a haircut.... ;D

i was at the park yesterday flyin the zeph and all of a sudden this little slk comes flying through my airspace at 100mph with 3 little boys about 4yrs-7yrs old runnin past me.. i checked out their kite and let one of them try the 4d.  it was a moment  ;)

then at the park today 2 young boys liked it and knew what an SUL was...... that shocked me... said he saw them on tv.... i wasnt that excited since they had paintball tourneys on espn every sunday!

kites are mainstream???? ???


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: red sweater on August 30, 2012, 10:44 AM
The half axels are coming along quickly. However, many of them exit the flare pointed down. I'm guessing (not a pro) not enough slack on the lower wing?


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on August 30, 2012, 10:53 AM
Red your right.  especially on the right side.  I cut a bunch of good stuff out becuase of the camera woman would not stop with the "awsome" and uuuuuuuuuuu and aaahhhhhhhhhh ... But it is the correct ones.  The nose pointing flat out towards the back.  I give slack to the top wing and pop it back as I give the bottom slack . Tipping top wing backwards is important. and popping it forward  with the slack from the right hand to the bottom wing and a slight tug or pop back from the  bottom wing as it is half way through  the axel turn....

Should look great next week... about 4 more hours I should have it...

I want Norm to see the four FFF's but he's sleeping..... 

note...  I am not moving so much and.  I am thinking about not moving and started using my arms more.  After the first one I need to get back to the Fade (relax) then get my arms back and do what Norm does in the video.  I am getting it  Norm.  It cost me to much to fly you out here...


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: tpatter on August 30, 2012, 11:09 AM
Looking good - keep working!  :)

One thing that I did that really helped my half-axels is to learn the half-axel to fade.

It's a quick clean way to get into a fade and it also forces your half-axel to be reasonably smooth (not overcooked and flat/horizontal) or you cant catch the fade.   

If you do what you are doing with the setup (slight pop on bottom with slight slack top) in reverse when you hit the top wing (so pop top and slight slack on the bottom) the kite will essentially flatten out and be in the pancake/flare position.

Now, you can pull for the fade.  Or, you can give a slight pop to what was the lower wing in order to lift it and complete the half-axel.

Good luck.


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: red sweater on August 30, 2012, 11:49 AM
One thing that I did that really helped my half-axels is to learn the half-axel to fade.

It's a quick clean way to get into a fade and it also forces your half-axel to be reasonably smooth (not overcooked and flat/horizontal) or you cant catch the fade.


Help a noob out and define "overcooked."

This won't be here very long: Just a reminder for you.
1. Pop nose under.
2. Outstretch your arms to gain slack.
3. Maybe take a step forward...Depends on wind.
4. Watch how I pop back into fade while arms are still outstretched.
AVFFF's ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujjB3vBmvQI#ws[/url])


Ouch, forgot just how much I had turned up the volume for Joe's video.


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on August 30, 2012, 12:05 PM
I am feeling more confident after doing some three's and the four.  I am beginning to make the changes i need to do.  I am taking a little more time in setting up my arms.  I keep thinking about what you are saying and some is getting through.  If I pull my arms back I don't start moving forward so much.  I can do two real nicely.  Then I panic one issue only.  IS THE CAMERA IN THE RIGHT SPOT>  That actually goes through my mind.  even if it's not on.  I begin to wish it were on...   :'( :'( :'( :'(

Wind is high coming from the south... 9 mph but I don't leave for another two hours...

Big single line night.

Tom thanks.... But if your son told me I'd feel better.... :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vigli on August 30, 2012, 12:09 PM
Norm Pullian
Please tell me , what is the name of the kite on video. Nice stille...
Thx
boris


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vigli on August 30, 2012, 12:48 PM
Yes , it look very nice rooling.
You have very interesting colors on the kite.
Do You have some closer photo for better look?
Pitty I can't practice....no wind here
Thanks a lot
best


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: Steven L Hall on August 30, 2012, 05:23 PM
From personal experience ...
start working on getting those half axels down with your hands by your side and with out that up and out move you do with your right hand,  This will pay off big time when you move on to the cascade.
YMMV


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: Wayner on August 30, 2012, 08:40 PM
One thing that I did that really helped my half-axels is to learn the half-axel to fade.

It's a quick clean way to get into a fade and it also forces your half-axel to be reasonably smooth (not overcooked and flat/horizontal) or you cant catch the fade.   

This is a great tip to if your doing the half axel setup and input correct.

Wish I would have heard this months ago.  ::)
 
My half axel were inconsistant and couldn't pull it into the fade.  :-[

When I clean up my inputs, got cleaner half axels and can now pull off half axels to fades.



Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: zippy8 on August 30, 2012, 11:44 PM
This will pay off big time when you move on to the cascade.

With all due respect.... what do you know about Cascades ?   >:(

Oh, right. This (http://www.virtualfreestyle.com/videos/VF10/VF10%20-%20Steve%20Hall.wmv).

Nevermind.

Mike,
 ;)


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on August 31, 2012, 06:35 AM
Couldn't fly last night SLK night.  Wind was high... 
I watched mama74 video again.  His hands are by his side.  I wanted to try last night but wind was bad.  I know your right Steve.  I plan onworking it like he does.  I need about 4 more hours of practice. 

Can't figure out how to get to the Fade fromhalf axel.  Even though I have done it.  Luck.


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: kepople on August 31, 2012, 08:03 AM
Great stuff guys.

I do the set up like dpmama does, i guess i give too much slack as its hard for me to catch the half axel timing rit as well.

I also have ahard time on the right side. My issue is different; my kite seems to turn vertical and put is back to the wind. Not sure why, the result is not pretty. I do the setup tug, then the top line hard pull and slack, but instead of the nose going down flat, it goes vertical and the wind grabs the sail amd pushes it vertical.

Left side i can do well, except i pull to hard still.


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: tpatter on August 31, 2012, 09:02 AM
Ko,

Some kites kites need very little to no setup at all.  My favorite just needs a little tap to get its attention!  :).

Sounds like you are using too strong of inputs - It can be a hard hit, but it's a short snap on the line for the upper wing.  The input is small hand motion wise, not a pull at all.   Both hands should be tension free as the kite is moving into the flare position.

Tom


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: red sweater on August 31, 2012, 09:57 AM
Also, I've heard several kiters suggest the setup be a small slackening of the upper wing (lean it back a little), instead of a small tug on the lower wing. I've always done it this way, with no problems.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: madhabitz on August 31, 2012, 10:50 AM
I do the setup tug, then the top line hard pull and slack, but instead of the nose going down flat, it goes vertical and the wind grabs the sail amd pushes it

Like all y'all I, too, am working on getting a half-axle turn. I am super excited to get them at all-- it's been more than a year in coming. It's kind of funny for me to post on the advice side of things, but if you watch Martin's video again, notice he says to add slight tension to the lower line rather than a tug when you are doing the setup. Either that or a push on the upper wing.

Mike Baker (Bakerworks here in the forum) has been flying with us on occasion & he gave me a great piece of advice:  don't fly so far into the edge of the window; fly it to about 10 o'clock to the left and 2 to the right. I was starting to stall and didn't have the impetus to keep the rotation going, so this helped me a lot.

One thing I started doing after the upper wing pop is to add a quick lower wing pop. That has allowed the kite to finish the rotation rather than hang suspended in a floaty pancake back to the ground. It's not as pretty though. Now if I can translate that pop into the slight lifting tension instead, I'll be in good shape. Someday before I die, I hope.




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Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on August 31, 2012, 11:29 AM
I waswondering about Martin's video.  There are two movements in flying.  You either pull turns or push turns.  Martin barley moves his arms or hands.  But does he push or pull is the question.  Then as a flyer do you psuh or pull turns or both ??

One of the post mentioned it will help in doing casades is probably very helpful concept in learning Martins way.  Just some thoughts.  Tom what do you think ??


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: madhabitz on August 31, 2012, 01:12 PM
I'm not Tom (wish I was!), but Martin's barely moving hands drives me nuts. He's got such fine control, eh? The thing is, what all the guys have been trying to get thru my skull is that the cocked wrist snap-thing really does work. I finally remembered to try it during my last practice session, got the timing right and dang.... snapped my top wing-connected wrist and stalled/turned that puppy on a dime.


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: tpatter on August 31, 2012, 05:29 PM
I think most folks do a push/pull combination.

If you want the turn to really look good, do it in what I think is called the French style where you
- build sail pressure by pulling both
- release sail pressure to quickly turn the kite some number of degrees
- immediately pull both lines to build pressure again

Do them all lighting fast and it looks beautiful.



Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on September 01, 2012, 07:57 AM
One thing I found Very important I forgot to mention...

When I went to the left I took a step forward with my left foot. and then back.  Then the right side I stepped forward with my right foot and back...  That gave the extra slack for the kite to point flat and backwards as it rotated...  I was watching my other film that I cut.. more I stepped better it was...  The rhythm came together with hands, arms and feet...

p.s.- I got a hair cut....  :'( :'( :'( :'(  My wife didn't think so .. :D :D :D :D   
p.p.-s.s. had to take her to baseball game last night...( small price to pay to fly all week-end....). Tiger's won... I got the kid next to me five autographs and a baseball... Tiger manager, Coach, Smily (p)Berry(outfield)Santiago(2nd)..I got Alex Avila to throw us a ball.  Told the kid I'd get him one... fourth ball in three years...

To bad these guys don't fly kites...... Throw me a Widow Maker or Talon  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: ko on September 01, 2012, 02:49 PM
Ko,

Some kites kites need very little to no setup at all.  My favorite just needs a little tap to get its attention!  :).

Sounds like you are using too strong of inputs - It can be a hard hit, but it's a short snap on the line for the upper wing.  The input is small hand motion wise, not a pull at all.   Both hands should be tension free as the kite is moving into the flare position.

Tom

thanks tom Buuuuuut I have had that in my bag of tricks for a LOOOOOOOONG time soft, hard, 1input 2 inputs  I was just trying to help. guess i wasnt to clear LOL As you know you have helped me a lot


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: tpatter on September 01, 2012, 06:08 PM
Sorry,I had you confused with another and meant to imply nothing.   Now, i really do need to start eating more fish/brain food.    :)


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on September 02, 2012, 09:39 AM
Morning Norm  :D :D :D  the wind is low at the Beach even though we have some flowing.  Getting ready to go...

Had to take mama to the ball game the other night.  Now I can fly this weekend... I want to concentrate on getting my arms back in position before I start the second one.  I watch how you get back in control of the fade. Then you start again...


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: kepople on September 02, 2012, 09:57 AM
I hope to go in the morning and try out some of these tips to improve my 1/2's on the right side.
supposed to be hot and humid though
kirb


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: trigger on September 02, 2012, 04:46 PM
Did my first planned axel today!  And followed with 8 more!  3 were respectible but..... i have your arm out to the side twist thing going too.... oh well, it works  8)


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on September 02, 2012, 09:10 PM
Ask Norm.."...No video.  ??? No Axel ... ???".  Sorry Jim !!!  :-X


Title: Re: Re: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: madhabitz on September 02, 2012, 11:26 PM
Did my first planned axel today! 

Planned is good!



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Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: trigger on September 03, 2012, 06:08 AM
Ok hun, get the kids in the car and grab the video camera... we r going to the beach!   I may try hooking up with Tmadz today or later in the week... we can video eachother andput it on youtube...... then it will be official!    8)


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: DWayne on September 03, 2012, 06:28 AM
If you want to get your half axels (kick turns) looking good, you need to concentrate on keeping the spine horizontal through the entire move.
Try doing it during the day when you don't have to swat at all those mosquitoes.

Denny


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: vertigo2u on September 03, 2012, 07:32 AM
Denny they are flying Nats.  Sometimes seems like a million on the beach..Don't want to think of many may have gone in my mouth... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
But some nights one can get covered... 


Title: Re: Half Axels for sale... What a great night...
Post by: kepople on September 04, 2012, 07:11 AM
I got to try some yesterday. Tried to focus on the wrist thing, and minimizing movements... Did not go all that well. I still end up giving too much slack i guess because it slows way down in the flare instead of snapping around.
When i reduced the movement of the tug and gave more slack it seems faster if i really pull on both lines to get it going the other way.

Tpat, i also attempted the "french" method. I guess i need to see a vid as it pretty much just resulted in a similar turn.
In my defense the wind was wierd, from a direction it never comes from and up and down, oh and i also stink at this :-)