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Title: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: country85 on September 08, 2012, 10:02 PM
I've been flying for years, but for one reason or another I have never really done any real tricks with my kites. But I'm up for a new challenge in my kiting hobby now and am really wanting to learn. I don't want to drop a lot of cash but want a decent kite also. Here's the kites I'm considering:

French kiss(supposed) to be a cheaper version of the French Connection
Prism Quantum
Acrobatx std or ul
Beetle
Prism Nexus

I don't know what kind of tricks I will be doing, I'm mainly looking for a kite that can grow and adapt as my skills change. Any advice would be a great help. Thanks!! 


Title: Re: Re: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: madhabitz on September 08, 2012, 10:24 PM

French kiss
Prism Quantum
Acrobatx std or ul
Beetle
Prism Nexus

I know nothing about the French Kiss, but of the rest of the others on your list the only one that will hold you for awhile is the Quantum. Have you looked at SkyBurner's production version of their WidowMaker? It's a wonderful kite for the money. It is called the Premier Widow.

Nancy


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: tpatter on September 08, 2012, 10:26 PM
Kiss is horrible - the one I tried would not even fly.

Acro UL is a fun trick kite, however - I don't know how it holds up wear wise, I only flew in for 30 mins or so.  I wouldn't get the std version of it.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: country85 on September 08, 2012, 10:57 PM
The Widow Maker looks like a super nice kite, I just can't drop quite that much into a kite right now. Is there a big difference between skyburner's and prism's version? beside cost lol


Title: Re: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: madhabitz on September 08, 2012, 11:14 PM
It's my understanding that the spars and fabrics are different, but the Premiere version is still a really decent tricky kite


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: ray3619 on September 09, 2012, 04:58 AM
my kid strated with a acorbat , good beater to learn on , now he has a zepher , he says its much better and easier to trick , i think theres a zepher in the for sale section , or you could do a trade with someone , my personal favorite way to try new stuff , ray


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: justinpwheeler on September 09, 2012, 05:02 AM
IMHO your list is all starter kites designed to not blow apart when you lawn dart them.

I think the Silver Fox 2.3 is a great starter kite for tricks...not the pro version.  It was more agreeable for me than the Zephyr.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: DWayne on September 09, 2012, 05:48 AM
Look on the swap meet for a used Widow Maker.
You'll be a lot happier with it than you would be with anything on your list.

Denny


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: Bob D on September 09, 2012, 05:53 AM
Or post for something in the Wanted section. Maybe post your price range too. Everyone is veryfair with their pricing. I have a Widow Maker and it's a wonderful kite. The Widow is less upscale but supposed to be still decent.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: trigger on September 09, 2012, 11:01 AM
+1 premier widow

Very inexpensive and i have talked to jon t(widowmaker maker) about it and he recommends it. He has them on his site also very inexpensive!

The zephyr has worked well for me too.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: KiteVoice on September 09, 2012, 11:37 AM
Just bought the Premier Widow from Jon Trenbepohl's shop and I'm very happy with it.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: Wayner on September 09, 2012, 01:31 PM
Just bought the Premier Widow from Jon Trenbepohl's shop and I'm very happy with it.

+1 on the Widow.   At the sale price the is no kite that can compare to it.

You would find it on the skyburner/skyshark link  on the right banner ------------>
 


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: kepople on September 09, 2012, 05:46 PM
+1 on a silver fox 2.3...

You can do just about everything with one, well made for the money, and has some good precision if you want to fly like you used to.

One of the vnedors on this forum had them on sale recently. Dont need the pro version.

You can also probably get one on the for sale forum well kn your proce range.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: country85 on September 09, 2012, 08:10 PM
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions!! I was looking around and came across the Premier Jewel, seems it was designed by Jon Trennepohl, I like the way it looks, any one own one? thanks


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: Wayner on September 09, 2012, 10:25 PM
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions!! I was looking around and came across the Premier Jewel, seems it was designed by Jon Trennepohl, I like the way it looks, any one own one? thanks


Never flown the Jewel, but it is a very small kite, under 6 ft.

Small kites tend to need more wind, are less controlable and easy to out grow.  :(

If cost is your main issue, this will get you in the air,  :)   but you may soon be looking for something better.  :-[  Another option is to save up for something better and buy a kite that you will fly for a while.  ;D  Still have most of my kites from 20 years ago  8)

 


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: Charles P on September 09, 2012, 10:40 PM
I would suggest Premier Designs Night Hawk, it is a good trick kite and can put up with "some" abuse. It responds very well and I think it costs a lot less than a widow maker. My only complaint with this kite is I can not do half axles with it but other than that this kite will put a smile on your face. Oh, and for better fades velcro a little bit of weight to the tail!


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: KiteVoice on September 10, 2012, 10:38 AM
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions!! I was looking around and came across the Premier Jewel, seems it was designed by Jon Trennepohl, I like the way it looks, any one own one? thanks


Never flown the Jewel, but it is a very small kite, under 6 ft.

Small kites tend to need more wind, are less controlable and easy to out grow.  :(


+1 on buying the largest kite you can afford, new or used. In kites, size really does matter!

I started on a Go Fly a Kite (are they even around anymore?) Storm (about 53") and moved to an HQ Bebop (57"). The BeBop was a much better kite but still small. A kite club friend gave me a Flying Wings Alpha+, which, as I've written elsewhere, is probably the least expensive kite on the new market that has a wingspan of at least 85 inches. It is by far not the best built "big" kite, but it's available for $68 and it's a much easier kite to fly than the smaller ones. Moving from the Bebop to the Alpha+ changed my flying dramatically.

The Premier Widow is significantly more expensive than the Alpha+ (the Widow lists at $160 but I got mine in a closeout sale for $115) but the Widow will keep you happy for a long time.

If all you can afford right now is a $58 kite, the Jewel is not a bad kite but for $10 more, you can get 20 inches more wingspan in an Alpha+. Those 20 inches will make a big difference in your flying.



Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: country85 on September 10, 2012, 04:19 PM
Where can I find an alpha + for 68 dollars?  :) :)


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: KiteVoice on September 10, 2012, 05:11 PM
Where can I find an alpha + for 68 dollars?  :) :)

Dunno if I'm allowed to post a link to a commercial website in the forum, so I sent you a PM.


Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: mikenchico on September 11, 2012, 11:18 PM
$115 for the Premier Widow is a sweet price, especially "Ready to Fly" with Spectra lines. 

I've always been a fan of the Prism Quantum for a beginner kite but the Widow is a far more capable kite. If you were willing to consider spending the money on a Quantum I would get all over that Widow.







Title: Re: Good kite to start learning tricks
Post by: Tmadz on September 14, 2012, 05:16 PM
I spoke to Jon and he's toying with changing the frame to make it a light std for me. Sturdy enough for my limited skills and light enough for my crappy winds. Waiting for him to call me back. It'll be worth the price bump for the change.