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Title: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 03, 2012, 02:32 PM
Hi,

Today it was a really low wind day but in the evening I had a few minutes of soft breeze.
So out went my TalonUL.
I thought I would try the 540.

So I dive the kite, I give slack asymmetrically, give a pull to the right line and the kite starts to turn.
But I initially forgot to give more slack so the lines started to get tangled on the kite. The kite was not stopped though because I then did give more slack.
So the kite did a nice 540 turning from left to right (+540).
When the 540 was over I pulled the lines to get the kite flying back up.
BUT at this point what happened was that I actually caused the lines to untangle from the kite.

So the kite started a 540 turn from right to left!!!  :o

So I gave slack immediately and the kite did the full 540 but in the opposite direction (-540)!

When the -540 was over I then pulled the lines and the kite flew nicely back up out of the figure.

Of course I will not be able to reproduce this and unfortunately I have no video proof, so you will have to take my word for it.  ;)

So I challenge everyone to post a video showing this +540-540 figure.  :)
(with tangling lines, of course)
Cheers,

N.




Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Wayner on November 03, 2012, 04:35 PM

I have done the same thing twice but no video.

Used your same light wind technique.  :D 

While I'm good at not giving slack, but not consistant enought to get the same tip wrap to repeat this trick on command.  :D

For the record this trick is a 540 in one direction then a 360 the opposite way.  ;)

 



Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Dano on November 03, 2012, 07:41 PM
I had a similar low-wind day today too...
Thought i'd work on the 540's and cracked a nice one on the 2nd attempt with my Inner Space.   Surpised myself!  8)


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: B-13 on November 04, 2012, 01:19 AM
I did this multiple time with my Big Bang from NTK. It has a tendency to tip wrap if not given enough slack. This is possible only on a perfect day smooth breeze. Unfortunately we don't have a video for this is cannot be done intentionally neither. :)
On my other kites, i don't get such super flat 540s but they spin rather quicker than the Big Bang. Anyway i take it out only when practicing spin tricks (540, axels, etc)


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: RobB on November 04, 2012, 05:39 AM
It's not a -540, but I think this is something like you're describing. Works on most kites in the bottom of their wind range...
Starts at 1:40.

Fearless Tattoo Feb.2012... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD4Sq-NVR1Q#ws)



Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: vertigo2u on November 04, 2012, 08:50 AM
A 540 has to finish with the kite going upward.  If not it's not a 540...  I have also done what you are saying by accident.  Start a 540 as it finishes and starts to move upward.  Line is caught in leading edge and reverses it'self ... Is that what your talking about ?  Cause I got video some place...


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: B-13 on November 04, 2012, 12:06 PM
A 540 has to finish with the kite going upward.  If not it's not a 540... 

TRUE!!!
If the trick is not completed then it's not the trick


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 04, 2012, 01:42 PM
Hi,

In my case it was indeed a two-way 540.

The kite starts correctly from a dive and an asymmetric flare (just as Prism's video explains)
Then, when I pulled the right line, the kite did start a 540 spin but since I did not provide sufficient slack the lines got tangled on the wing tip.
Nonetheless, the 540 spin was fully and correctly performed and finished.
However, when the kite should have exited upwards (as you say), since the lines were tangled on the tip of the wing, my pull made the kite start a 540 in the exact opposite direction.
So I gave slack to let it finish the new opposite 540.
By the time it finished the new 540, the lines had untangled from the wing tip.
Hence, when I pulled again for the kite to exit the trick, it did!
It exited by flying up.

So, at least in my case, the trick was indeed a +540-540 or, if you will, a 540 counter-clockwise & 540 clockwise, or a 540 right & 540 left.

N.


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Wayner on November 04, 2012, 02:42 PM
Hi,

In my case it was indeed a two-way 540.

The kite starts correctly from a dive and an asymmetric flare (just as Prism's video explains)
Then, when I pulled the right line, the kite did start a 540 spin but since I did not provide sufficient slack the lines got tangled on the wing tip.
Nonetheless, the 540 spin was fully and correctly performed and finished.
However, when the kite should have exited upwards (as you say), since the lines were tangled on the tip of the wing, my pull made the kite start a 540 in the exact opposite direction.
So I gave slack to let it finish the new opposite 540.
By the time it finished the new 540, the lines had untangled from the wing tip.
Hence, when I pulled again for the kite to exit the trick, it did!
It exited by flying up.

So, at least in my case, the trick was indeed a +540-540 or, if you will, a 540 counter-clockwise & 540 clockwise, or a 540 right & 540 left.

N.


Ara, your description is the same way mine were done.  It must be offical, we have an new trick  :D

Just to restate, this is a normal 540 with a tip wrap. So, the normal taking up the lines to exit the trick results in an input at one of the leading edges through the tip wrap. The opposite rotation unwinds the tip wrap and you are ready to fly off.  ???  Both rotations look great; slow, smooth and flat. 8)    Just wish I had planned it.  :-[

Sad note; My inputs are getting better and reducing tip wraps, so my ability to preform this trick will soon be gone.  :D


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Wayner on November 04, 2012, 03:02 PM

If you were to do this trick without the tip wrap (but where is the fun in that)  :D

You would do a 540 and then do an axel in the opposite direction.

Ara,
Your neat trick is a is a 540 rotation plus a 360 rotaton.
a 540 has one and a half turns, and starts with the nose and kite facing away from you
a 360 has one full rotation and starts with the kite and nose facing you

You start the 540 with the nose/kite is facing away, upon completing the 540, the nose is facing you. The opposite rotaton is one full rotaton where the nose/kite starts and stops while facing you. If you did a full 540 one the opposite rotation the kite would be in a flare, nose away (back were it started).

Doesn't change this neat trick just the specs as to what is happening.  ;)

Hope you catch it on video ;D


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 05, 2012, 12:39 AM

If you were to do this trick without the tip wrap (but where is the fun in that)  :D

You would do a 540 and then do an axel in the opposite direction.

Ara,
Your neat trick is a is a 540 rotation plus a 360 rotaton.
a 540 has one and a half turns, and starts with the nose and kite facing away from you
a 360 has one full rotation and starts with the kite and nose facing you

You start the 540 with the nose/kite is facing away, upon completing the 540, the nose is facing you. The opposite rotaton is one full rotaton where the nose/kite starts and stops while facing you. If you did a full 540 one the opposite rotation the kite would be in a flare, nose away (back were it started).

Doesn't change this neat trick just the specs as to what is happening.  ;)

Hope you catch it on video ;D


Oh dear... you are absolutely right!

I have been thinking about this. Since I was so shocked at what had occurred I think I based my description on the first impression I got without really stopping to think what really occurred.
Trying to recall how it all went, I do remember being careful to follow the full one and a half rotation. So I then remembered I didn't fly off upwards at the end. When I pulled the kite at the end it went down so I had to quickly correct to avoid crashing it against the floor.
So I guess I did do a +540-540 but the exit of the trick does need some sort of polishing... if I ever get to do that purposefully.   ;)

Now I'm not trying to be the inventor of any trick. I'm sure many of us have had such serendipitous accidents.  :(
 :D

N.


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Wayner on November 05, 2012, 05:26 PM

Now I'm not trying to be the inventor of any trick. I'm sure many of us have had such serendipitous accidents.  :(   :D

N.


Most serendipitous accidents do not result is a combo trick as pretty as this one is.  ;D


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: vertigo2u on November 06, 2012, 10:06 AM
Put together a couple 540's and my first attempt at wing tip landings and "coin toss".  Then a broken up 540.  It may give some visual clarity in describing the +540 -540 concept.   :D

+540 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9_jYIsbxw#ws)


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Wayner on November 06, 2012, 10:20 AM
Now you need to start adding a tip wrap for the next input.   :D


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Hadge on November 06, 2012, 11:35 AM
I've almost perfected the 'Tipwrap Crashcade' does that count as a trick? I'm really good at that one!  :-[


Title: Re: Bet you can't do that: +540-540
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 06, 2012, 02:00 PM
Yeah, so am I.  :)

I think the Soul is especially good at it. It doesn't happen to me half as much on the TalonUL.
Maybe because of the size of the kite, maybe because of the stronger pull and need for stronger gestures...
But yes, it is a spectacular trick! The increasingly fast spins in a downward trajectory provide just the right dramatism...
 ;)

N.