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Title: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 12, 2012, 05:34 AM
Hi, (I searched this web site for this and found no previous talks)

I am thinking of getting an "old school" Prism kite as my next kite.

I like a lot the Elixir (Spectrum specifically) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg)
the Illusion, like this one: http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg (http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg)
and the Vapor, like this one: http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png (http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png) or this one http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg)

So, my question is, although they are "old school" which one is the more apt tricker (flat spins especially)

I thought I had a clear choice towards the Elixir, but I also like the other a lot so I need something to help me choose for this next "investment"  ;)

Thanks.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: thief on November 12, 2012, 06:13 AM
Vapor...if you can find one is a super duper ultra light wind kite.....worth the money if you find one....master of flat spins....
Elixir and Illys are more normal wind ranges kites......and slightly more prevalent in the used kite world....
r


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 12, 2012, 07:05 AM
Thanks Thief.

Oops, I had missed the fact that Vapor is so SUL...  :-[   (I should have guessed by the name...)  ::)
I was not planing on buying an SUL but now that I come to think of it, I already have an STD and a UL so it would indeed complete the collection...

Hmmm... yes, perhaps...

In any case, I'm still open to more opinions.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Kareloh on November 12, 2012, 07:11 AM
Ha, that's my Illusion. Love that kite. Great sideslides!
You might consider getting an Eclipse if you can find one. Still very oldschool (designed years before the Illusion) but also capable of a lot of newer school tricks. Certainly a lot more then the Illusion.

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Ecl05.jpg)



Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: John Welden on November 12, 2012, 08:12 AM
For standard wind kites, the Illusion would be the best flat spin kite on your list, but it's not all that great compared to other kites that were made around the same time. The Trick Tail is probably king of flat spins.

If you want to stick with Prism, the Prophecy is quite nice for flat spins and easier to fly than the Illusion.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Svolazzo on November 12, 2012, 08:50 AM
Hi Ara, what I can say is that Vapor is a super old school SUL, very hard to find and however pricey if you are so lucky to find one. It flies almost in no wind even if flags are still and it flies beautifully with rare elegance: flat spins, axels, 540s, pinwheels, side slide, fades are so gorgeous to see. No yoyo based tricks. In my opinion it's a world apart among kites to fly gently, slowly, with no hurry.
Illusion is a great kite, you can do a lot of tricks but still no yoyo based ones. Great flat spins, side slides and also  Jacob's ladder.
Elixir is the more modern among the 3 you mentioned, higher aspect ratio, close to nowadays designs but stil great in all flat spins, fades, and side slide, but also capable in yoyo based tricks even if doesn't feature yoyo stoppers, but you can however add them remebering to cover upper APA to allow lines sliding  ;)
It can easily yoyo even if it doesn't have any tail weight.
Hope this helps, and if you want an Elixir.....you know where to grab one  ;)

Paolo



Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Hadge on November 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
There was a Vapor on the FA forum the other week....for about 30 minutes!...now has a very happy new owner -not me  :( ... very nice kite. :P

There is an Air Dynamics Darkstar on UK Ebay if anyone is interested.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Kareloh on November 15, 2012, 03:37 AM
Do you have the specs of that turbo bridle, SKB?


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Svolazzo on November 15, 2012, 09:00 AM
Do you have the specs of that turbo bridle, SKB?


Just found this http://www.findfreegraphics.com/image-62/eclipse+turbo.htm (http://www.findfreegraphics.com/image-62/eclipse+turbo.htm)
I don't know if those measures are the Prism's official ones, maybe someone else could say.

Paolo


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: zippy8 on November 15, 2012, 09:29 AM
There is an Air Dynamics Darkstar on UK Ebay if anyone is interested.
Judging by the pic. and original price that's not the original, Breeze-framed, multi-kite indoor record DarkStar but the look-a-like outdoor standard version. Oh and the seller seems to think it's fibreglass framed ::)

Mike.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: chilese on November 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
That cloudy day is a perfect backdrop for the water

reflected Eclipse. Long time fav pic of mine.

Nicely done skb™.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Kareloh on November 15, 2012, 12:17 PM
thanks a bunch!

my sul (teal) still has the bridle with the inhauls attached at the tail.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: JimB on November 15, 2012, 12:22 PM
Ah, Weegee.. local hero.. ;)

A friend of mine made his hobby to be somewhat Weegee-like.

He ended up retiring on the proceeds.

:)


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: jediturtle on November 21, 2012, 10:54 AM
Hi, (I searched this web site for this and found no previous talks)

I am thinking of getting an "old school" Prism kite as my next kite.

I like a lot the Elixir (Spectrum specifically) [url]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg[/url] ([url]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg[/url])
the Illusion, like this one: [url]http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg[/url])
and the Vapor, like this one: [url]http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png[/url] ([url]http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png[/url]) or this one [url]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg[/url])

So, my question is, although they are "old school" which one is the more apt tricker (flat spins especially)

I thought I had a clear choice towards the Elixir, but I also like the other a lot so I need something to help me choose for this next "investment"  ;)

Thanks.


The second Vapor is mine!  :)  Small world!  Amazing and beautiful kite.  Best of luck in your search.  It would take an awful lot to get me to part with mine!


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ara Ararauna on November 21, 2012, 02:11 PM
 ;)

For the time being I haven't seen any kites through the vapor... I mean fog...  :'(


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ca Ike on November 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
Hi, (I searched this web site for this and found no previous talks)

I am thinking of getting an "old school" Prism kite as my next kite.

I like a lot the Elixir (Spectrum specifically) [url]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg[/url] ([url]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2687/362127020544b575983.jpg[/url])
the Illusion, like this one: [url]http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/illusion.jpg[/url])
and the Vapor, like this one: [url]http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png[/url] ([url]http://www.windpowersports.com/images/kites/prism/vapor/vapor.png[/url]) or this one [url]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/jediturtle/kites/DSC_2250.jpg[/url])

So, my question is, although they are "old school" which one is the more apt tricker (flat spins especially)

I thought I had a clear choice towards the Elixir, but I also like the other a lot so I need something to help me choose for this next "investment"  ;)

Thanks.


The second Vapor is mine!  :)  Small world!  Amazing and beautiful kite.  Best of luck in your search.  It would take an awful lot to get me to part with mine!
I took me over 10 years to get my purple vapor and thats one kite I will probably be buried with  :D  The only other old school SUL i like as much as my vapor is Herb Weldons Synchro.  Just need to get one of those and a prodancer sul and I will have my top 3 :)


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: cerfvoliste on November 21, 2012, 04:07 PM
Past history.... Let them go.

I do miss my Vapor sometimes (I traded it for a Proto Exile). But I have modern SUL's that more than take it's place.

For nostalgia flying, I would rather launch the 'lix...
CV


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ca Ike on November 21, 2012, 05:15 PM
Past history.... Let them go.

I do miss my Vapor sometimes (I traded it for a Proto Exile). But I have modern SUL's that more than take it's place.

For nostalgia flying, I would rather launch the 'lix...
CV
For me its not just nostalgia.  THere's just something about the way some kites fly that just can't be replaced.  Now keep in mind I'm talking about flying here, not just tossing it around in a perpetual stall.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: cerfvoliste on November 21, 2012, 06:48 PM
Once again, I see you have my back Ike...

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/311336_10151128471463869_930583548_n.jpg)

CV


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: tpatter on November 21, 2012, 07:19 PM
Past history.... Let them go.

I do miss my Vapor sometimes (I traded it for a Proto Exile). But I have modern SUL's that more than take it's place.

For nostalgia flying, I would rather launch the 'lix...
CV
For me its not just nostalgia.  THere's just something about the way some kites fly that just can't be replaced.  Now keep in mind I'm talking about flying here, not just tossing it around in a perpetual stall.

I think that as well - right up to the point that I actually fly the nostalgic kite!  :)

Anyhow, it's all good - fly what you like and enjoy life. 

Tom



Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Stickman on November 27, 2012, 05:03 PM
I would vote Lixer and Proph-still in my bag and still get fly time notwithstanding JOE's/Transformer etc.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Tmadz on November 27, 2012, 08:37 PM
a few Vapor pics I found in one of my backup drives:
Awesome pictures. I don't know what I'm more jealous of: The vapor or the location. I visited Vancouver once. Awesome place, but I hate the hockey team.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ara Ararauna on December 11, 2012, 05:44 AM
a few Vapor pics I found in one of my backup drives:

This is mean skb...
I can't get one and you keep showing off with these great pics!  :'(

Some day I'll get a Vapor and then...  >:)

Cheers.


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ca Ike on December 11, 2012, 10:44 AM
a few Vapor pics I found in one of my backup drives:


This is mean skb...
I can't get one and you keep showing off with these great pics!  :'(

Some day I'll get a Vapor and then...  >:)

Cheers.
You mean one like in these Ara? :P
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6445297651_0e77b8f073.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/6445297651/)
0378anthony (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/6445297651/#) by Ca Ike (http://www.flickr.com/people/ca_ike/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6445297711_7b12b849da.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/6445297711/)
0379anthony (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/6445297711/#) by Ca Ike (http://www.flickr.com/people/ca_ike/), on Flickr

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2164/5783505091_ae21173c89.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/5783505091/)
prism prophecy and vapor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/5783505091/#) by Ca Ike (http://www.flickr.com/people/ca_ike/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5229/5641620216_fd12858fbb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/5641620216/)
Prism Vapor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/5641620216/#) by Ca Ike (http://www.flickr.com/people/ca_ike/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Ara Ararauna on December 11, 2012, 01:55 PM
Just wait until I find out where you live CaIke...   >:(

You better keep it in a safe. They don't call me Ara swift hands for nothin'    ;D


Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Tmadz on December 11, 2012, 08:48 PM

What's hockey?  :-X

SKB, please listen carefully. Don't post your location. I fear the Canadian authorities may be tracing your posts. I will ask the moderators to wipe your post off this thread. If you are confronted by a mountie, just say that you "love hockey, eh" and if pressed, say you hope the Canucks will be "lighting the lamp" soon or Roberto Luongo should be "riding the pine".  :-X



Title: Re: Elixir vs. Illusion vs. Vapor
Post by: Curtis Bias on December 14, 2012, 06:58 PM
Just went to a youth hockey championship game last night.( One of the greatest shows on the planet to be sure. ) Flat Spins on an old scchool Prism the man says. These kites will all do them nice and flat with ease. The Eclipse did them so well. The Elixir does so much and can still get very flat if you know when to give the inputs and slack. The Vapor does flat spins until the cows come home. If you take it to the top of the wind window and start the spin, you can just keep giving slack at the right time and watch it pinwheel all the way to the ground. Illusion....Are you talking the I2K or Classic Illusion? I found the Classic to be the better of the two kites, but liked the looks of the I2K more. - My favorite Prism is still the Prophecy. It isn't on your list, but it should be.