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Post by: np on December 06, 2012, 02:02 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: roisinroisin21 on December 06, 2012, 02:58 PM
Oohh aw erm . Lol a ladole . Tough to get






Simon


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: roisinroisin21 on February 24, 2013, 09:57 AM
Challenge accepted , Norm ,

To push the other 2 guys i fly with at http://www.facebook.com/northernmonkeyskitegroup.nmkg (http://www.facebook.com/northernmonkeyskitegroup.nmkg) Ian and Steve , we`ll post up 3 seperate pilots completing the trick , should be great fun


Simon


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: hawkerhunter on February 24, 2013, 10:42 AM
Haha. Some people dont get my humor Norm and I didnt want you to take it the wrong way. The challenge is accepted Norm. Should have something sorted soon.

steve

PS If I cant do it Ill just get si to use three different kites and pretend its me LOL


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on February 24, 2013, 10:18 PM
A trick around pulling hard. This is made for me.  ;D


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 25, 2013, 04:37 AM
Hi Norm.

I would also like to see another video, but not for the reasons exposed before, but because this one is so shaky.
The vibration makes me unsure of how the trick goes.
Could we have one with a stable camera please?
Thanks!


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 25, 2013, 07:04 AM
OooooooKkkkkk...

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I offered this trick as a challenge to Simon and his friends
So I should not go for this challenge? What if I get it right? I don't get a much wanted set of your straps?

On the other hand, as far as I can see, whereas the AVFFF "Trick Challenge" started out from a fade position, this Double AVFFF starts from a dive down and into a pancake that rolls the kite twice.
Is that correct?
If so, then it is not really an "AVFFF rolled up twice" because the entry to the trick is different...   :-?
Am I being too picky?
Cheers.


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 25, 2013, 08:02 AM
Sorry, I had not looked properly at the trick on the video. I now clearly see you start from a fade. Darn fade!
OK if I get a fade the first thing I'll do (instead of naively looking at it in awe) is I will pull hard on the lines and run forward like the devil was after me >:-)
At least I'll do some exercise  ;)


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: RobB on February 25, 2013, 08:54 AM
Now you can see why my video is shaky.

I can't believe that thing stays on your head...


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on February 26, 2013, 09:00 AM
Here was my first attempt.

Wasn't till I saw the video that I identied my problem. I was only letting the kite rotate 1 1/2 time not the full two rotations. must need new glasses. Need some track shoes for sure, there is a lot of forward movement.  :D

Flew both the Talon UL and Tekken, both rolled up well. I only had video of the Talon.

Anyway the wind shiffed 90 degrees and I got some good video from the side. I think that how I will try and video this trick in the future. You can see the rotation much better. You can select HD on the video...

Dbl AVFFF 1st attempt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW9nHrScorA#ws)

Winds are gusting to 30 mph today. So it will be a while until I can try again. 



Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 26, 2013, 09:07 AM
Way to go Wayne!
You almost got it.
I think once you make it go two full rotations you will clearly unwind it successfully.

You are miles ahead of me. Your entering the fade is great!
Well done!


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: hawkerhunter on February 26, 2013, 09:21 AM
Now I know why you guys on the west coast get so good at this trick kite stuff. You get to fly in jeans, T shirt and trainers all year.

Try doing this trick in sub zero tempretures wearing wellington boots and thirty layers of clothing to keep alive. Running forward is the least of my problems, I cant even bend my arms lol.

Thanks for the vid. It reminded me of what blue sky and sun are.


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on February 26, 2013, 09:29 AM
Now I know why you guys on the west coast get so good at this trick kite stuff. You get to fly in jeans, T shirt and trainers all year.


No jeans in the summer it to hot. Then the Speedo is the clothing of choice.  ::)



Try doing this trick in sub zero tempretures wearing wellington boots and thirty layers of clothing to keep alive. Running forward is the least of my problems, I cant even bend my arms lol.


This is out is our good weather time of year. I would be running to much in the summer when its 110 degress out.


Thanks for the vid. It reminded me of what blue sky and sun are.

Wish we could send you some blue skys. We get plenty of them. Clouds are rare in these parts.


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on February 26, 2013, 09:39 AM
Way to go Wayne!
You almost got it.
I think once you make it go two full rotations you will clearly unwind it successfully.

You are miles ahead of me. Your entering the fade is great!
Well done!


Ara,
Thanks for the kind words.

You will get the fade down. It just takes practice to get the feel to hold it. Gave me lots of frustration leaning this trick.

I found the fade launch and rising fade is easier than getting into the fade in the air.


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: roisinroisin21 on February 26, 2013, 11:12 AM
Gr8 effort ,well done

 8)





Simon


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: roisinroisin21 on February 28, 2013, 03:49 AM
 :D ;D Done it twice , phew just how hard do you have to run at a kite  :'(


Now got to get it on video


My tip is if you dont have the lightning reactions of Usain Bolt when you give the input to start the rotations and start running keep your hands by your side this gives you the option to outstretch your arms for a extra bit of slack   8)



Simon


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: RobB on February 28, 2013, 04:51 AM
Wayne... your video from a different angle helps me to understand this trick. I've done this to the point that you got (while practicing the single AVFFF), and unrolled, but I never tried adding another 1/2 rotation to it. I may not get this one right away because I'm not supposed to run for a while. Maybe I can do 1, but 2 reps... I don't know.
One thing I see in your video is that it looks like your input for the unroll is a little sharp. The guys from kite hill (Tom, Jim, Reggie) helped me with my unrolls back when I used to post my 'what am I doing wrong' videos a few years ago. They told me to calm the input, and just take a few steps back with a gradual pull.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on February 28, 2013, 07:18 AM
Wayne... your video from a different angle helps me to understand this trick. I've done this to the point that you got (while practicing the single AVFFF), and unrolled, but I never tried adding another 1/2 rotation to it. I may not get this one right away because I'm not supposed to run for a while. Maybe I can do 1, but 2 reps... I don't know.
One thing I see in your video is that it looks like your input for the unroll is a little sharp. The guys from kite hill (Tom, Jim, Reggie) helped me with my unrolls back when I used to post my 'what am I doing wrong' videos a few years ago. They told me to calm the input, and just take a few steps back with a gradual pull.
~Rob.


Thanks for the feedback on my unrolls being sharp.  I am always learning to temper my inputs.


My tip is if you dont have the lightning reactions of Usain Bolt when you give the input to start the rotations and start running keep your hands by your side this gives you the option to outstretch your arms for a extra bit of slack   8)

Simon

I will have to try this tried everything else  :'(

Boy this trick is hard, Thanks Norm.  ;)

First I find it hard to get two rotations. 1 1/2 is easy the last 1/2 rotation the kite loses most of its momentum. Plus you have to have to the kite lined up really straight.

If the lines catch the kite winding up it slows and never get to 2 rotations.  :(

I tried poping with my hand back as far as possible but the line always catches my elbows. (sorry no video)  :D

If I sprint full speed the lines are too slack and often miss the yoyo stopper or rollup bars.  :(

Then I tried running forward with my hands together in front of me to keep the lines near the nose. This worked better at catching the yoyo stopper, but not the ideal sprinting postion that Usain Bolt uses.
 
I think I just need to lose about 10 lbs.  :P


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on February 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
Wayne.....Do you find yourself slipping (loosing traction) on the grass? I have to be on the wet/moist sand to get enough traction to do this trick. There is NO way I could do it on the loose sand. It is at least FUN to try it. Just wait until you complete the two rotations. If you're anything like me (over weight) and out of shape, you'll be breathing heavy.  :-[

No problem slipping on the grass. I don't move that fast.

My issues are old age, overweight and asmtha. Other than that this trick is a piece of cake.


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: roisinroisin21 on March 04, 2013, 09:04 AM
 :o





C`mon   Norm , we both know thats a old picture of me taken 3yrs ago  :P while training for GB olympic team 100 m sprint


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Smeagol on March 04, 2013, 12:53 PM
Hah, nice.  :D

I tried this trick a bit yesterday with the TNT Zero, but I don't think it has enough mass.  I couldn't manage even one.  I blame our crappy inland winds.  Yeah, that's definitely the problem.   ;)


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: white wing lover on May 02, 2013, 09:02 PM
Just goes to show what you can do with those "custom straps"...

Now, If we can get out from under all these snow storms, I just might have a chance to break in a pair :) :) :)


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: RobB on May 03, 2013, 04:32 AM
Norm... wow, dude, you sure can hustle ! I better step it up !

I finally got to fly in a good smooth wind again, and realize how badly out of practice I am. This trick is going to take some time, I couldn't even get one. I couldn't do more than 2 single AVFFF's in a row, but I think I might have bee flying to heavy of a kite for the wind. Oh, well.
Still out there... still trying...


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Wayner on May 04, 2013, 05:46 PM
I decided to do two rotations of the Double AVFFF. I'm almost 68 years old and 68 pounds over weight and completely out of shape.




Thanks for the video Norm. I'm out of shap and over weight but a spring chicken at only 54  :D
Looks like I need to sprint another 5 to 7 feet to complete the double.

Finish up school in a couple of weeks so I can give it another shot.



Now, If we can get out from under all these snow storms, I just might have a chance to break in a pair :) :) :)

You still have snow storms.  ???
In Vegas it was 90 on April 1st. By April 30 it was 99. Only a matter of time till we hit 110.  :'(


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: ko on June 11, 2013, 06:44 PM
 give em hell Norm  :D


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: RobB on June 11, 2013, 06:46 PM
Norm, I've been trying this, and I make it 1/2 rotation short, every time. Still working on it, but due to cr@p winds, I've been flying 4 lines more than 2 !


Title: Re: Double AVFFF
Post by: Charles P on June 11, 2013, 11:47 PM
 Gonna get my popcorn and watch the fireworks!!    :D   :D

  I've given this one a go a couple of times, the running is not the hard part for me, what catches me out is I have trouble keeping track of the kites orientation during the trick and usually pull up short or the kite kind of locks in and descends on a relatively slow trajectory to terra firma.    :(