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Title: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: zippy8 on January 06, 2013, 01:35 PM
This has been posted here (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9046.msg79464;topicseen#msg79464) but I thought that the denizens of this board might like to see it too.

Mike.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: photogbill on January 09, 2013, 03:39 PM
This has been posted here ([url]http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9046.msg79464;topicseen#msg79464[/url]) but I thought that the denizens of this board might like to see it too.

Mike.


Thanks for the link Mike! After viewing several videos of the Magnet in different color combinations, my interested peeked a lot and I'll probably be building one some time in the future!


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on February 27, 2013, 12:00 PM

Just need some brass rod for the ballast and the yoyo stops. Liked the look of this kite from the first post by David . Looking forward to flying it. Thanks for making the plans available David.
  Mike





(http://www.flickr.com/photos/coogeekites/8511768059/[img])http://www.flickr.com/photos/coogeekites/8511768063/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coogeekites/8511768063/#)[/img]


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: inewham on February 27, 2013, 01:31 PM
Added to the links to plans thread
Thanks for that   8)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: HiFly on March 02, 2013, 12:08 AM
([url]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8098/8511768063_cb8492eed8_n.jpg[/url])

Nice build, Mike


I finished my new Magnet last week too
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-biK4HfVO5lQ/USo3VzVHiII/AAAAAAAADAo/aF4-OyQ01pA/s320/magnet08_1080.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/116535074360068120843/MagnetStuntkiteDesignedByDRuger?authuser=0&feat=directlink)



Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Wayner on March 02, 2013, 12:14 AM

that is a good looking kite.  8)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on March 02, 2013, 03:57 PM
Hifly
         like your Magnet. Still waiting for the weather to come good so I can fly mine. Way too much breeze and rain as a bonus.
 Mike
 


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: ozzymat on March 22, 2013, 04:37 AM
Monochrome Magnet

Thanks to David Rüger for sharing his magnet with us.

I tried to keep this Magnet true to the original plans but I did use Air600 for the sail and because bisonyl is hard to get here I used 600D polyester with a vinyl backing for the nose.

The tail arrangement was a first for me and David was kind enough to clarify my questions so I hope I got it right in the end, here's some close ups.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img843/8912/magnettailsml.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/a/img20/2618/magnetbacksml.jpg)

The plans recommend a 17gram tail weight so I glued a 13gram brass rod inside the spine and made up the extra 4grams with an external brass tube the idea being that I could experiment with the tail weight.

And the Magnet in flight.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img17/280/magnet7sm.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img171/7796/magnet5sm.jpg)

 
Mat
   


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on March 22, 2013, 04:44 AM
Looks great in the air Mat. Nice kite!
 Mike


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on March 22, 2013, 05:09 AM
Yep, nice one! Any thoughts on flight behaviour? It is quitte different compared to other trickkites IMHO. So much fun. Have to fly mine again soon!

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120708-172613.jpg)
Will be heading here for a few days in april. Can't wait.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: jaydub on March 22, 2013, 07:04 AM
Two of the best looking Magnets out there. :)

Really rate this kite.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: ozzymat on March 23, 2013, 10:14 PM
The Magnet quite enjoyable to fly the inputs need to be limited as you would expect of a kite of this size but have flown kites of this size that are a lot more sensitive, the wind range was a surprise you could almost call it a UL yet it's happy in 20+ kph.

Definitely a keeper.

One word of advice when building don't glue the LE ferrule in the uLE glue it on the lLE.
The lower APA-connector sits on the very bottom end of the uLE and if you glue the ferrule on the uLE it extends past the cut out in the LE for the lower APA so the lower APA must be fitted on the uLE when installing it into the kite.
If you glue the ferrule on the lLE you can fit the uLE with just the top APA connector installed and slide on the lower APA after the uLE is in the kite much easier.

Mat


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: tpatter on March 23, 2013, 10:30 PM
Here is mine!  :)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PdQ1foKOjJA/T-lFWDejhkI/AAAAAAAADWg/ePfrYjrmTD8/s800/photo.JPG)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: nobbl2k on March 24, 2013, 12:33 AM
Here is mine!  :)

Looking forward to a review!  ;)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on March 24, 2013, 01:06 PM
There is a review on the "Clique" and another round up on FA.
  Mike


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: pa79vel on April 04, 2013, 01:59 AM
Here's mine, with a bit of changes to the original project (hope you don't mind David!).
Made of what I had - leftovers and what I could easily get.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_f5HfsjUzLo/UV0nH6EUEYI/AAAAAAAABQc/hNgNo6ssx6A/s575/DSC02628.JPG)

More photos HERE (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100231941530540785601/albums/5862885287112478497)

Used a velcro tail, different sail tensioning,
different nose sewing (same shape but different method - thanks again photogbill ;)).

Also sparred differently:
6mm cft - LE, US
DT15 - spine (left from broken LE of eolo Over ;))
P300 - LS

I hope it will fly as well as the original design ;)
Still waiting for the winds to drop...

Thanks David for the plans!

Regards,
Paweł


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on April 04, 2013, 07:04 AM
Nice!
Did you use a pultruded frame?

I see some Decathlon parts used in there. Was a our local Decathlon store yesterday, but they don't have them anymore. Some connectors are very usable!


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: pa79vel on April 04, 2013, 07:38 AM
Nice!
Did you use a pultruded frame?

I see some Decathlon parts used in there. Was a our local Decathlon store yesterday, but they don't have them anymore. Some connectors are very usable!

Thanks Carlo!
I used a "what-I-had" frame, as listed above.

LE and US are pultruder 6mm cft.
US is Matrix, LE - yes Decathlon.
Same for connectors, apart from sail grabbers and center cross (Level One: kenny-kreuz).

About decathlon, we still have spars and connectors available.
Also from an online store.

Greetings from Poland ;)
Paweł


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on April 04, 2013, 09:44 AM
Good looking kite, I like the colour mix. Great fun kite  :)
 Mike


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: iwan00 on May 14, 2013, 02:12 AM
Another Magnet form Poland:

Test sail made form Ripstop nylon (about 32g/m2).

Framing 6mm pultruded carbon ( Decathlon parts)

(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xQI8AI0YcCA/UZE9Ujntg-I/AAAAAAAACcI/zbtF-WB6Zak/w819-h614-no/P5129879.JPG)



Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on May 14, 2013, 02:26 AM
Wow... orange leading edges. Wild
 Mike


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on May 14, 2013, 03:33 AM
David agreed to have the Magnet plans hosted on my webpage (http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1273) in english. This might provide more detailed and centralized information about this great kite.

I've also added a builds page with all the Magnets that haven been build untill now. If you have a picture of a Magnet that isn't on the page yet or in the case you don't want our picture shown on the site, just let us know and we'll add or delete the pic.

The link to the german plans is still there as well.

Enjoy.

LINK! (http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1273)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on October 04, 2014, 09:35 AM
We decided to share the plans of the enlarged version of the Magnet (112%). This version is slower and feels more stable while retaining the tricky style of the original Magnet. You can find the plan here:

http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1809 (http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1809)

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/photo.jpg)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Mugen on October 05, 2014, 02:25 AM
Sounds good! Very interested to see a video on what it can do, and thanks for sharing.
The reinforced glassfiber rod inner stand-off truly work?
I tried with some kites, but it's never helped in gusty winds.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: BagpiperPhil on December 23, 2014, 12:08 PM
Hi everyone!

Here goes my first Post :P

I just finished my fifth build, a Magnet XL. I gathered quite a lot of my kitebuilding knowledge from this board, so I wanted to share my result with you guys.  :D
I wasn't able to test it, as the weather here in northern Germany is quite bad at the moment. I'm also quite new to stunt kites so my word wouldn't be too helpful anyway.  :-X

Just some Info on the kite:
-wingspan: ~2,38m
-height: 1,01m
-LE: PT5
-US: 5mm
-LS: SkyShark Nitro
-Spine: SkyShark Nitro Strong

And here some pics :)

(http://i.imgur.com/sd7lvkz.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/3sQfCGu.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/csBes13.png)

For the sail design I used the "Magnet-Facelift" design created by my dad. Some of you might know him by the name "Ulzburger" he's mainly active on the german board Drachenforum.net. You can find his Magnets on Kareloh's site with the Magnet builds (http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1280).  :)

Greetings from Germany!
Philipp


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: jaydub on December 23, 2014, 12:53 PM
Great choice of colours.  I really like the standard Magnet and I could be sorely tempted by the XL.

Your Dad has built some really sharp looking Magnets.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: tpatter on December 23, 2014, 02:02 PM
That's fantastic looking - sweet design. 


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: stapp59 on December 23, 2014, 02:40 PM
That's a fine looking build!  Curious about the reason for the T treatment?  Congrats...


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Frazer on December 23, 2014, 04:37 PM

That is a very nice looking kite ... kudos :)

The centre T treatment looks a bit like that on Alphakites TNT (IIRC).

I wanted to like the Magnet - but I found it a querulous little kite and didn't enjoy it at all. Of course it might just require better technique than I'm armed with (pun intended).

A big, slower, less idiosyncratic version *might* be just the ticket.

-Frazer


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on December 23, 2014, 04:50 PM
Great looking kite... and the workmanship looks very tidy.

I really like the Magnet good fun kite and yes a little quirky.

The centre t arrangement looks tidy. Peter Maternus also uses this method.

Mike


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: KaoS on December 23, 2014, 07:55 PM

I wanted to like the Magnet - but I found it a querulous little kite and didn't enjoy it

Me too!  :(


A big, slower, less idiosyncratic version *might* be just the ticket.


... and I might find out very soon  :)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: jaydub on December 24, 2014, 01:26 AM
I wanted to like the Magnet - but I found it a querulous little kite and didn't enjoy it at all. Of course it might just require better technique than I'm armed with (pun intended).

A big, slower, less idiosyncratic version *might* be just the ticket.

Interesting as I borrowed David's Magnet and came to the same conclusion.  Just a bit too idiosynchratic to want to spend my money on and then went on to buy a SF.

I've since picked up a second hand Magnet from Germany and am finding I connect more with it more than the SF.

Not sure this comes down to flying ability though as I'm sure I'm not any better than you Frazer.  Just personal preference.

Kevin, if you do build yourself one, please provide some feedback.



Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Ulzburger on December 24, 2014, 02:20 AM
... The centre t arrangement looks tidy. Peter Maternus also uses this method.

Mike

Yes, it is the same centre t as Peter Maternus shows us at youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cSwbFOuJMbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cSwbFOuJMbI)). For the P3 he also used this type of center t. I have an image created, how to make the node:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q9Yeb2ZlT0A/UvXlUwO6iwI/AAAAAAAACkk/iweLXfJnIaU/s591-no/Cross.jpg)



Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: BagpiperPhil on December 24, 2014, 02:47 AM
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback! I'm also quite happy with the result for my fifth build. It's nowhere near the cratsmanship that guys like Steve are showing here.
But I feel like I'm going to stick with this hobby for quite a while and being 23 there's still much time to learn and improve.  :)

I did choose this kind of centre T, because of the tapered Spine. The suggested LevelOne cross just wouldn't fit realy snug which I didn't like.
And if a centre cross made out of bridle line is good enough for Maternus and Alphakites, it's good enough for me.  ;)
Plus I was able to use the neon yellow briddle line.  :P

I also realy liked the original Magnet, but being a beginner it was just a tad too twitchy for me. The best Kite for me to learn with was the Sixth Sense, which lately just felt a little slow.
So I was quite happy when Kareloh published the plan for the XL, which hopefuly will be somewhere between those two.  :)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Krijn on December 25, 2014, 12:29 AM
looking great!

mine is quite a long time almost finished (standoffs and bridle to go)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/r1zblg.jpg)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: KaoS on December 28, 2014, 12:51 AM
Another almost finished Magnet XL

(http://images46.fotki.com/v285/photos/7/1814857/13544604/xl1-vi.jpg)

Just got to tie the bridle  :)

Thought I'd use contrast stitching this time

(http://images41.fotki.com/v195/photos/7/1814857/13544604/xl2-vi.jpg)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: glenn193 on December 28, 2014, 04:11 PM
     
       fantastic looking kite Kevin.

       interesting to see how it goes,

       footage please.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: stapp59 on December 28, 2014, 07:46 PM
Another nice build Kevin  8)  Out flying it now?  :P


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: coogee on December 31, 2014, 02:54 PM
A good looking kite...

Should be fun to fly.

Mike


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: photogbill on December 31, 2014, 03:19 PM
Great job! I like the color combo as well! That is Flo-Yellow correct?
Hi everyone!

Here goes my first Post :P

I just finished my fifth build, a Magnet XL. I gathered quite a lot of my kitebuilding knowledge from this board, so I wanted to share my result with you guys.  :D
I wasn't able to test it, as the weather here in northern Germany is quite bad at the moment. I'm also quite new to stunt kites so my word wouldn't be too helpful anyway.  :-X

Just some Info on the kite:
-wingspan: ~2,38m
-height: 1,01m
-LE: PT5
-US: 5mm
-LS: SkyShark Nitro
-Spine: SkyShark Nitro Strong

And here some pics :)

([url]http://i.imgur.com/sd7lvkz.png[/url])

([url]http://i.imgur.com/3sQfCGu.png[/url])

([url]http://i.imgur.com/csBes13.png[/url])

For the sail design I used the "Magnet-Facelift" design created by my dad. Some of you might know him by the name "Ulzburger" he's mainly active on the german board Drachenforum.net. You can find his Magnets on Kareloh's site with the Magnet builds ([url]http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1280[/url]).  :)

Greetings from Germany!
Philipp


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: photogbill on December 31, 2014, 03:23 PM
+ 1!

That is a very nice looking kite ... kudos :)

The centre T treatment looks a bit like that on Alphakites TNT (IIRC).

I wanted to like the Magnet - but I found it a querulous little kite and didn't enjoy it at all. Of course it might just require better technique than I'm armed with (pun intended).

A big, slower, less idiosyncratic version *might* be just the ticket.

-Frazer



Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: BagpiperPhil on January 01, 2015, 09:43 AM
Yes that is Fluo-Yellow. Sadly Icarex doesn't come in a realy bright green, which I would have prefered.
The Fluo-Green is just not popping enough imho, plus this way I was able to match the kites color accent with a matching briddle line from Liros.  :)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on May 06, 2015, 06:23 AM
This is my Magnet 112% SUL version.

Frame
Upper Spreader: 4,5 mm pultruded carbon
Lower Spreaders: 3pt
Upper Leading Edge: p90
Lower Leading Edge: p100 (full length)
Outer Standoffs: 3mm carbon rod
Inner Standoffs: 3mm reinforced glassfiber rod
Weight in tail: +/- 13 grams

First flight in a smooth breeze was very promising. Precise, slow, gracious in tricks.
Taz's are ultra slow, Multilazies very flat and almost around the center cross. Recovers from backflip position quitte easily. 1 pop [lexicon]yoyo[/lexicon]'s are not there but 2 pops are great.

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/11188157_369267909932916_6522160078555798289_n.jpg)

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Magnet112sul_Kareloh.jpg)

Please like the Facebook page of the Magnet kite: https://www.facebook.com/magnetkite?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/magnetkite?fref=ts)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: mdilucca on May 06, 2015, 03:47 PM
This is my Magnet 112% SUL version.

Frame
Upper Spreader: 4,5 mm pultruded carbon
Lower Spreaders: 3pt
Upper Leading Edge: p90
Lower Leading Edge: p100 (full length)
Outer Standoffs: 3mm carbon rod
Inner Standoffs: 3mm reinforced glassfiber rod
Weight in tail: +/- 13 grams

First flight in a smooth breeze was very promising. Precise, slow, gracious in tricks.
Taz's are ultra slow, Multilazies very flat and almost around the center cross. Recovers from backflip position quitte easily. 1 pop [lexicon]yoyo[/lexicon]'s are not there but 2 pops are great.

([url]http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/11188157_369267909932916_6522160078555798289_n.jpg[/url])

([url]http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Magnet112sul_Kareloh.jpg[/url])

Please like the Facebook page of the Magnet kite: [url]https://www.facebook.com/magnetkite?fref=ts[/url] ([url]https://www.facebook.com/magnetkite?fref=ts[/url])


What did you use for the lower spreaders center T connector>  Would it be possible to get the sail blueprint as well?

Cheers


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on May 08, 2015, 01:21 AM
In this case is used an old FSD center cross. Just because i had it in the parts-box. Sascha (Treder) did a knotted bridle line center cross on his SUL and that works great as well.

Added a link for the blueprint. Guess i forgot to add it to the page.


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: Kareloh on May 21, 2015, 05:07 AM
Flying the Magnet 112% open source freestyle/trickkite at the lovely beaches of terschelling. Watch fullscreen in HD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdO-uSY4Xyo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdO-uSY4Xyo)


Title: Re: Magnet - dualline plan
Post by: mdilucca on May 21, 2015, 09:41 AM
Flying the Magnet 112% open source freestyle/trickkite at the lovely beaches of terschelling. Watch fullscreen in HD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdO-uSY4Xyo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdO-uSY4Xyo)

Very nice   ;D  than you for posting  Kareloh :) The 112% is next in my to do list :)