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Title: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 05, 2013, 11:47 AM
After trying to learn taz it was suggested not to try it on a certain kite until I can do it on others.

So I am curious which kites are great for learning specific tricks? Which kites do a trick even if ones inputs are too strong or timing is slightly off? You could give a kite a rating if you prefer on a 1-5 (5 being automatic) how easily the kite will do the trick.

Example:
Taz Machine: TNT, NSE 15
Fade: Transformer, Sea Devil
540: Black Pearl UL/STD (4)
Flap Jack: Transformer SSUL
K2000:  Transformer SSUL


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Krijn on February 05, 2013, 12:17 PM
nice topic!


Taz - Veyron (5) (TNT is only a (4) here)
Yoyo - Organic
Straigth line - Hugo
Wapdoowap - Seven
Comete - Invictus (5)
Jacobsladder - TNT STD/Strong


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: chilese on February 05, 2013, 01:01 PM
The kites we don't own are the ones which do the tricks

we haven't mastered yet.

It was that way with tennis rackets too.  ::)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: tpatter on February 05, 2013, 01:21 PM

comete - Tekken
JL - Fearless
yoyo - Transformer
backspin/cascade - Fearless
cascade - Fearless
precision - Tekken

I have yet to find a kite that gives away the Taz that doesn't wreak some havoc with other flight elements.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: DWayne on February 05, 2013, 01:39 PM
The kite you've been flying exclusively for the last 3 years gives away all the tricks you know.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: harveystubbs on February 05, 2013, 01:47 PM
Krijn +1

also

Taz - 15 and for me the talon. Not the seven
Wap do wap - seven and talon std
Cynique - Talon sul, diablis (4) and hopefully the superfly !
Yo yo - seven , solus, vendetta
Fade - Gemini - The original fadester !
JL - seven the JL trainer

 8)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 05, 2013, 01:54 PM
Tom, you can be 6 kite tom, but now you need to be 1 brand Tom. :)

Does the Transformer "give away" the JL also?

As far as kites suffering at other tricks at the expense of others, thats what I am after from this thread. It would be no fun to get frustrated with trying to learn a trick only to find out its something the kite is not good at. I know most of you guys can do any trick with any kite, this is to make it better for us rookies.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 05, 2013, 01:57 PM
Harvey;
Interesting on the SEVEN for JL. It does easily flip over, and does it quickly like the transformer. I had not considered it for a JL trainer. Makes sense. The Flare to Fade aka Flic Flac step is another item that seems drastically different on some kites.

Adding:
Fade Launch (belly launch to Fade): SEVEN (4+)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: harveystubbs on February 05, 2013, 02:04 PM
Harvey;
Interesting on the SEVEN for JL. It does easily flip over, and does it quickly like the transformer. I had not considered it for a JL trainer. Makes sense.

Adding:
Fade Launch (belly launch to Fade): SEVEN (4+)

It just gives you loads of thinking time as its quite measured and the large turbo leg makes it quite fliperty flopperty.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: KaoS on February 05, 2013, 02:47 PM
Sabre II - pretty much everything!


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: jaydub on February 05, 2013, 03:09 PM
Sabre II - pretty much everything!
I struggle with repeatable cascades on the one I've just acquired.  Is it me? (Damn fool question really, coz I might not like the answer. ;))

It does JL particularly nicely and does a lot of other good stuff.  Very pleasantly surprised about how wide a wind range it has as well.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 05, 2013, 03:21 PM
Sabre II - pretty much everything!

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but we are looking for specifics on this thread. Can you rate some tricks it gives away 1-5?

This would be a good one, since one of the forum sponsors has avertised they are going to be stocking the Saber 3.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: rudyy on February 05, 2013, 04:38 PM
Based on the kites I have...

... Fearless.  You cannot go wrong with it.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 05, 2013, 05:23 PM
Based on the kites I have...

... Fearless.  You cannot go wrong with it.

Yes, but what specifically.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: rudyy on February 05, 2013, 05:48 PM
Based on the kites I have...

... Fearless.  You cannot go wrong with it.

Yes, but what specifically.

You do not need to work hard for the tricks because Fearless will do them for you.  It is the kite that give away tricks.  I have flown R-Sky Nirvana, Benson Gemini/Deep Space, Prism Elixir/Zephyr, and none of them come close to that.   I think the only other kites that offer the giveaway are the Tekken, Transformer  and Sea Devil.

I am talking about an all rounded kite that can give away a lot of tricks, not just a specific trick.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: tpatter on February 05, 2013, 06:25 PM
Does the Transformer "give away" the JL also?

Hells yeah.  Transformer is like high end cookware - it works great for both recreational users as well as the pros who really like to 'turn up the heat' so to speak.

They all do in my opinion.  I've never flown a Lam kites that didn't excell at JL, yoyo, multi lazy, cascade, comete, backspin, control, stability, etc. 

I do think some kites give extra time and a wider range for inputs.  Hard to beat Fearless for this in my experience.  These are all also easy for me on the Transformer, but the Fearless taught me everything to the point that I can do it on any reasonable kite. 

Now, the TNT and Tekken are teaching me to taz. 

Sometimes I think a kite can teach you a trick even if you then move that ability on to your other kites and the abandon it for your more overall favorites.

Tom


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 05, 2013, 07:00 PM
Tekkens a good taz teacher too huh?
Thats great news if you know what i mean...



Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Lee S on February 05, 2013, 10:06 PM
The kite you haven't flown in a year will "give away" tricks you couldn't do very well last time you had it out. ???  I have kites I haven't flown in several years that have become quite tricky in their sleep.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: coogee on February 06, 2013, 01:03 AM
The Superfly
Insane
Insane Cascade
Cynique
Wrapped Cynique
Lazy
Multi Lazy
Rolling Susan
Any turtle based trick really
Great fun!


Mike


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: KaoS on February 06, 2013, 02:59 AM
After trying to learn taz it was suggested not to try it on a certain kite until I can do it on others.

So I am curious which kites are great for learning specific tricks? Which kites do a trick even if ones inputs are too strong or timing is slightly off? You could give a kite a rating if you prefer on a 1-5 (5 being automatic) how easily the kite will do the trick.

Example:
Taz Machine: TNT, NSE 15
Fade: Transformer, Sea Devil
540: Black Pearl UL/STD (4)
Flap Jack: Transformer SSUL
K2000:  Transformer SSUL

Okay, I see what you're after...  thinking back at which kites gave me the "aha!" moment for specific tricks.

Cascade:
 "Benson Box Of Tricks"  Will do repeatable one pop cascades, once you learn the second pop, it will do rising cascades pretty easily too.
540:
 "Benson Phantom Elite". The kite allows you to do the trick in stages.  You can leave a significant amount of time between the flare and the "pop", and the rotation is SO flat.
Backspin:
 "Benson Gemini" 5 points.  It is almost impossible to NOT get them.  Again, really flat with no hint of lateral roll.
 "Eyesight" 4.5 points. First rotation is a bit slow, but after that just keep popping the line to watch the kite rise and rise after each rotation.  Can you say "Tornado"?
Backspin cascade:
 "HQ Shadow"
Fade:
 "MEFM".  Locked in for-ever!!
  Pretty much any Prism will hold a long, steady fade, no rocking.
Comete:
 "Prism Quantum Pro" - Will do the trick in 4 separate steps and doesn't require you to be anywhere near perfect with your inputs.
Flic Flac:
 "Aziza" taught me frenetic, rapid fire flic flacs - in any direction (Facing up, facing down, backwards, forwards). "Psycho" did them too.
 "Level One Genesis" gives away slow flic flacs where you choose the timing.
Flapjack:
  Never had a problem with these, but the "Benson Deepspace" gives them away.
K2000:
 Found them pretty easy in every kite - can't think of one that does them better than any other.
Snap Lazy:
 "Benson Deepspace"
JL:
 "Widowmaker" was the first kite where I could choose when to finish the ladder. (When I got bored)
 "Sabre II" will also do them forever.
Rolling Susan/Cynique:
 "R-Sky NSE" 5 points
 "L'Atelier Transfer XTR" 4 points
Insane:
 "R-Sky Nirvana"

I should point out that these were the kites on which I found the tricks easiest to learn AT THAT TIME.  My kite bag is ever changing, and a lot of the tricks I used to find challenging are now available from many of the kites currently in the bag.

If I was to recommend a kite to learn most modern tricks on, I don't reckon you can go past a JoE Talon.  I've flown one often and am always impressed with how easy it is to "get into".  I'm also impressed with how easily less experienced flyers learn new tricks on it.



Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: tpatter on February 06, 2013, 09:54 AM

Some more thoughts...

540, slot, taz, pinwheel- TNT Zero.   Basically, any flat spin trick it does extremely well. 

Fun - Transformer gets a 5  I'm always delighted to fly this kite.   I'll give the Nirvana NFX a 4, that little kite is my favorite R-Sky kite.

Side slide - Vapor

2 pop - Tekken.  Hard or soft, it just rolls over more reliably than any other kite I've tried.

Best indoor for outdoor flying - iTrix.   Flys more like a full size kite than any other indoor I've flown and does many tricks.  Stiff frame for man-handling.

Best looking (paneled) - R-Sky Krystal.  I've got a KFX which is super fun to fly, but I also love how it looks as well.

Taz - Magnet.  This is the only kite that I can do the taz cascade on.  This one does the taz more easily than the half-axel , almost automatic.   15 also does them easily, but not as easy as this one.  Also, it's half axel takes some minding.







Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: jaydub on February 06, 2013, 10:18 AM

Some more thoughts...

Taz - Magnet.  This is the only kite that I can do the taz cascade on.  This one does the taz more easily than the half-axel , almost automatic.

Seconded.  Absolute Taz monster.  It does beautiful HAs and cascades, but the timing is critical.  Most of my other kites let you flare the kite then lift the new top wing out.  The Magnet needs you to lift out the moment it goes into the flare - no pause, one continuous set of inputs.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: red sweater on February 06, 2013, 11:16 AM
It's probably true that, even with infinite money, I could not buy tricks. However...

Best looking (paneled) - R-Sky Krystal.  I've got a KFX which is super fun to fly, but I also love how it looks as well.

I'm pretty sure I could at least manage this "trick." ;)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 06, 2013, 02:06 PM
Not forcing a direction in the thread here, only one mention of the Snap Lazy.
Some kites seem to like to be on thier back more than others as well.
Also, is it common that if a kite will do a taz well, it will also do a slot machine well?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: mdilucca on February 06, 2013, 02:56 PM
I'm most interested to find out how the kite architecture (design, bridle and construction) favors one or another trick. For instance, is a high aspect ratio kite easier to TAZ ????  ::)

I just noticed that Ian Newham http://www.ian.ourshack.org/kitedesign/design.html (http://www.ian.ourshack.org/kitedesign/design.html) already addressed some of this issues:

"One of the most readily observed effects of changing spine length is it's effect on pitch stability. Think of pitch stability as the kites reluctance to change from flying normally to flipping on it's back or front etc. This is noticeable in tricks such as the Flic-Flac, Fade or Turtle. Typically short spine high aspect ratio kites take much less height to rotate about the spreaders, making Flic-Flacs faster and easier to accomplish. A long spined kite, thanks to the extra stability, is less inclined to flip around so is more inclined to stay put in a Fade or Turtle. A kites performance in any of these tricks obviously depends on other factors such as bridle settings."


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: KaoS on February 06, 2013, 03:19 PM
..., is a shorter aspect kite easier to TAZ ????  ::)

By shorter, do you mean high aspect ratio (longer wingspan, shorter spine) or low aspect ratio (shorter wingspan, longer spine) ?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: mdilucca on February 06, 2013, 03:22 PM
..., is a shorter aspect kite easier to TAZ ????  ::)

By shorter, do you mean high aspect ratio (longer wingspan, shorter spine) or low aspect ratio (shorter wingspan, longer spine) ?

Correct Kevin! I ment high aspect ratio (longer wingspan, shorter spine).


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Wayner on February 06, 2013, 03:27 PM
I only know of ONE kite that gave away a trick for free.

I am more of a newbe, been flying less than 2 years. But I have collected 20 kites and flown a lot more. Everytime a but a new kite I always check to see what free tricks it comes with.   :D

I found once you learn the a trick you can apply to all your other kites.

For me I suck at the lazy susan. The kite that gives it away it my Infinity. It will sit in the turtle and wait, while I rehearse the input, debate on which hand to use, then it takes just about any sloppy input I give it and still gives me a lazy susan. No skill or technique required unlike my other kites. The invinity is also great at the snap lazy.

Because it give the trick away so easy I'm struggling to learn the proper technique to use on my other kites.  

 


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: rudyy on February 06, 2013, 05:32 PM
The topic is very interesting.  After one page of comments/replies, my give-away- tricks kite still stand the same ---> FEARLESS.  :D 



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Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 06, 2013, 05:46 PM
I only know of ONE kite that gave away a trick for free.

I am more of a newbe, been flying less than 2 years. But I have collected 20 kites and flown a lot more. Everytime a but a new kite I always check to see what free tricks it comes with.   :D

I found once you learn the a trick you can apply to all your other kites.

For me I suck at the lazy susan. The kite that gives it away it my Infinity. It will sit in the turtle and wait, while I rehearse the input, debate on which hand to use, then it takes just about any sloppy input I give it and still gives me a lazy susan. No skill or technique required unlike my other kites. The invinity is also great at the snap lazy.

Because it give the trick away so easy I'm struggling to learn the proper technique to use on my other kites.  

 

Wayne
Exactly what we are after here. For me the kite that gives that trick away is the Silver fox 2.3 std. Its the same way about the input. It will come around easily wether you pull hard or soft.

Rudy
What does the fearless REALLY do well? Ie. my transformer will flip from pancake to fade no matter how hard or how fast you pull it. Sea devil mid vent not as much. Pull to hard And it stops pointed down. Could also be wind related since my sea devil is a higher wind kite. My FL flies different than these other two. This is a kite that requires the proper input where transformer does it no matter


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: rudyy on February 06, 2013, 05:54 PM
kepople,

It is hard to describe using words.  I think I just totally click on with this kite and connect to it.  Everything comes so easy.  I can tell you I can almost close my eyes to do the comete by just listening to it slashing into the air while tumbling. Today, I fly my Fearless SUL at almost no wind,  it does the 540s so slow and gracefully without much effort, and I put it into MLZs all the way from the top to the bottom and then regain tension, again without much effort.  Flapjack?!, I do not know how many times I have done today.   :D

Rudy


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 06, 2013, 06:05 PM
Nice photo btw!
Which is the sul?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: rudyy on February 06, 2013, 06:15 PM
Nice photo btw!
Which is the sul?

White - VL
Purple - SUL
Pumpkin - UL
Blue - L


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: tpatter on February 06, 2013, 06:42 PM
Did I miss the pictures?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Charles P on February 06, 2013, 11:26 PM
I'm liking this thread so much that I have to put my two cents in. I have a limited exposure to the kites I have flown but the kite that gives away tricks the most in my hands is the Seven. In my hands it just wants to fade, roll up, and backspins are limitless.  I could go on but we are trying to narrow down what what specific kites excel in. If I had to chose one thing for the Seven I would have to say any pitch related trick.

Best looking (paneled) - R-Sky Krystal. 

 Tpatter, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess... to me the looks of the Seven are not equaled by any kite that I have seen in the market, the Seven is a chameleon in the sky and changes its colors/shades constanly depending on the conditions. We're in the same neck of the woods, maybe we could get together for a fly.?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: tpatter on February 06, 2013, 11:30 PM
We're in the same neck of the woods, maybe we could get together for a fly.?

Love to!  Do you fly at Chambers?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 07, 2013, 06:50 AM
jealous...you guys have all the fun up there...

Take good care of your Seven btw.They may become scarce. I am curious about the MX Comp coming out.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Krijn on February 07, 2013, 07:45 AM
Did I miss the pictures?

yes


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Charles P on February 09, 2013, 10:47 AM

Love to!  Do you fly at Chambers?

 Yes sir I do. As much as possible in fact. I will be there today and tomorrow though the wids are not suppose to be that great Sunday. I am at Chambers almost every weekend. I could even head up North if you prefer.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Charles P on February 09, 2013, 10:58 AM
jealous...you guys have all the fun up there...

Take good care of your Seven btw.They may become scarce. I am curious about the MX Comp coming out.

 Huh!!???   ???     What do you mean scarce?  I know Jorgen has put the Seven on hold to come up with a new color combination for that kite. The Seven is my favorite and I still need to aquire the UL. (I have the SUL and STD)
  I've heard good things about the MX Comp and am considering that kite as well though I think I might want to buy the MXS or the MXS Strong if it comes out this year. Bensons Superfly looks pretty good as well.
  Decisions-decisions......   :-X

 


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: ghfisanotti on February 15, 2013, 04:51 AM
Sabre II - pretty much everything!

Except for the Taz, maybe...

Last weekend a good friend of mine allowed me to fly his just acquired ADX from the french firm Air-One and I got my first-ever yo-fade, on my first try with that kite, that must qualify as a "give-away" I think!



Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 15, 2013, 07:19 AM
Sounds like it... great report...
So the Saber is not an easy Tazzer?


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: ghfisanotti on February 15, 2013, 11:26 AM
So the Saber is not an easy Tazzer?

At least not in my case, but again, it surely is a pilot-related problem.

Anyway, I did Taz more easily with the R-Sky Toxic and with the Light Saber.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: RobB on February 15, 2013, 12:32 PM
jealous...you guys have all the fun up there...

Take good care of your Seven btw.They may become scarce. I am curious about the MX Comp coming out.

 Huh!!???   ???     What do you mean scarce?  I know Jorgen has put the Seven on hold to come up with a new color combination for that kite. The Seven is my favorite and I still need to aquire the UL. (I have the SUL and STD)
  I've heard good things about the MX Comp and am considering that kite as well though I think I might want to buy the MXS or the MXS Strong if it comes out this year. Bensons Superfly looks pretty good as well.
  Decisions-decisions......   :-X

 
Well, now there is the new Seven point 5, and update to the original Seven. I haven't flown a kite that rolls up or flic-flacs better than the Seven. I haven't flown a kite that likes to sit on it's back and do turtle tricks better than the Fearless. If you're looking to learn these types of tricks, those kites are as close to 'give-aways' that I have flown. The Seven and Fearless are both capable of so much more, but that's what they absolutely give away, first 5 minutes out of the bag...


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: zippy8 on February 16, 2013, 01:57 PM
After trying to learn taz it was suggested not to try it on a certain kite until I can do it on others.

So I am curious which kites are great for learning specific tricks?
Are you looking to simply tick a trick off your "I've done this" list or do you want to add something to your repertoire ? If the latter, I'd recommend you find a well rounded kite that allows you to do a little more than just that one elusive line twiddle.

Quote
K2000:  Transformer SSUL
Ummm.... really ?  ??? You might want to carry some spare spars for that.

In the spirit of sharing, I found Comète revealed itself to me with the Fury, if I hadn't got a flight to catch and things to do I suspect I could still have my Matrix in a Fade but I think I've added more worthwhile flying to my skill set with my from-my-cold-dead-fingers Androgyn. I'm not at all sure this is especially transferrable knowledge though. YMMV.

Mike.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: RobB on February 16, 2013, 02:34 PM
Quote
Quote from: kepople on February 05, 2013, 02:47 PM
After trying to learn taz it was suggested not to try it on a certain kite until I can do it on others.

So I am curious which kites are great for learning specific tricks?
Are you looking to simply tick a trick off your "I've done this" list or do you want to add something to your repertoire ? If the latter, I'd recommend you find a well rounded kite that allows you to do a little more than just that one elusive line twiddle.

I agree with this 100 % I have gotten way more from flying kites like the WidowMaker and SeaDevil than any other kites that I have. They do just about everything pretty well.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 18, 2013, 05:52 PM
Cool I get to contribute to my own thread.

Tek devil just hands you rolling Susan's...

I have been trying this trick off and on for a while, first trick I attempted in really bad winds with this kite, and it was automatic and nearly perfect 3 times in a row.
Tried it with black pearl and it did not go so well, but the wind had picked up a lot. Had to put the tek devil away as Ina few moments I was holding on for dear life.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: JayDee on February 18, 2013, 09:08 PM
From a while ago, I remember a few comparatively basic moves that I had tried for a while, and then a kite just gave them to me:

- Cascade: Talon Std
- Long, stable fade: Widow Maker UL
- Double-axel: Talon Vented, Widow Maker Std
- Sleeping Beauty: Widow and Widow Maker Std + UL
- 540: E2


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: cerfvoliste on February 18, 2013, 10:54 PM
It has been said.... but in my opinion, if you want a kite the comes with all the trick included...
it volunteers them...

Sea Devil
CV


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Krijn on February 19, 2013, 12:10 PM
Fade: le Quartz
CrazyCopter: Magnet and Dynamite
Yofade: l'Organic


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: harveystubbs on February 19, 2013, 01:23 PM
Krijn +1

also

Taz - 15 and for me the talon. Not the seven
Wap do wap - seven and talon std
Cynique - Talon sul, diablis (4) and hopefully the superfly !
Yo yo - seven , solus, vendetta
Fade - Gemini - The original fadester !
JL - seven the JL trainer

 8)

Cynique - I can confirm that the superfly cyniques very well. I'd give it a 4. I would give the invictus ul a 5 for this trick though !

Yo-fade - Diablis gets a 5.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Fearless Object on February 19, 2013, 01:34 PM
To do beautiful tricks, you need good kites and a sets of Magic hands. also depending on the person too, like : quick respond, creative mind, Tall and long arms is much easier for dong the tricks. other then that you will take a long time to learn some of the tricks and might not get it. Video is good to watch but your body is not available for those trick so please don't even try, wating a lot of time try to learn some thing that not going to work for you.

Good day !


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: adx1592 on February 19, 2013, 08:26 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree on that. There's always more then one way to skin a cat, and I'd be willing to say that there's a specific kite out there for each and every flyer. I wouldn't discourage flyers like that, Lam, anyone can learn how to trick a kite in time, with patience and having an open mind to take advise from any little area. Nobodys going to trick a kite the exact same way with the exact same inputs. I really do think anyone can do it, it's just a matter of learning where a kite needs to be before somethings excited, and figuring out, in time, what works for you AND the kite. There's never just ONE way.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: RobB on February 19, 2013, 09:09 PM
Hmmm... Devin, I appreciate your optimism... but you're one of those guys with 'magic hands'    ;D

I also took some promise from what Lam said about being tall and having long arms... I fit that description.

I didn't take any discouragement from what Lam said, I all ready know that it's going to take me the rest of my life to learn to trick like the two of you. I think he was just saying what works for someone in a video might not work for me... Yeah, I've found that out.

But, the important thing is to have fun along the way, I think. Once the quest to learn tricks looses the fun, it's just work, and what's the point of that ?

Devin, I hope there is a kite for every flyer, and hopefully I'll find mine. In the meantime, I enjoy trying every kite I can get my hands on !  8)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: adx1592 on February 19, 2013, 09:14 PM

But, the important thing is to have fun along the way, I think. Once the quest to learn tricks looses the fun, it's just work, and what's the point of that ?

Devin, I hope there is a kite for every flyer, and hopefully I'll find mine. In the meantime, I enjoy trying every kite I can get my hands on !  8)

+1. Whats its all about. Most of the time I find myself actually doing a lot of work. You have no idea how long it takes me to figure out tricks that aren't pitch based. took about 3 years for a constant taz. blah. Coming up on 2 years easily for a CC and still barley any luck.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Fearless Object on February 19, 2013, 09:47 PM
I think the best way to help people from learning tricks is : need tricks school, talk to them on the phone or on the field, explain one step at a time, hopefully the person know how to exlain probably how does the trick work. so they understand then maby people will learn little faster. other then that just have fun do what you can and enjoy the day :)

Have a nice day !


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: RobB on February 19, 2013, 09:54 PM

But, the important thing is to have fun along the way, I think. Once the quest to learn tricks looses the fun, it's just work, and what's the point of that ?

Devin, I hope there is a kite for every flyer, and hopefully I'll find mine. In the meantime, I enjoy trying every kite I can get my hands on !  8)

+1. Whats its all about. Most of the time I find myself actually doing a lot of work. You have no idea how long it takes me to figure out tricks that aren't pitch based. took about 3 years for a constant taz. blah. Coming up on 2 years easily for a CC and still barley any luck.
I figured you for one of those guys that was born with tricks in your hands... it's reassuring to hear that you've got to work at it, too. It took me easily 2 years to get the 540, and I've been working on Slots/Tazs for easily that long. A number of talented fliers, both online and in person have told me that it's all about time on the lines & patience.


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: ko on February 19, 2013, 10:17 PM
Rob,, your 540's except for Allen's (he cheats though because he uses old school kites) are the best I have ever seen


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: RobB on February 19, 2013, 11:00 PM
Rob,, your 540's except for Allen's (he cheats though because he uses old school kites) are the best I have ever seen
Thanks, Kurt. I have the input of many of you to thank for that. Do you remember the 'what am I doing wrong' videos that I posted ? I have to come up with a new series of those, so I can learn some new tricks !


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Wayner on February 20, 2013, 08:55 AM
I think the best way to help people from learning tricks is : need tricks school, talk to them on the phone or on the field, explain one step at a time, hopefully the person know how to exlain probably how does the trick work. so they understand then maby people will learn little faster. other then that just have fun do what you can and enjoy the day :)

Have a nice day !

+1

I quit twice while trying to learn on my own.  :-[ .  Its only been with the help of all you other flyers including have  John Chilese has my mentor than I have learned how to trick a kite.


You have no idea how long it takes me to figure out tricks that aren't pitch based. took about 3 years for a constant taz.

 ???  ???   don't tell me that  :'(

This is my 2nd favorite trick. I'm not even close on getting it.  :(   
I have focued on getting good at other trick that come easy for me, hoping as my skills got better the Taz whould show up.

With my limited skill set. sound like I will still be practicing on the Taz for a while


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Krijn on February 20, 2013, 08:57 AM
best way to learn the taz: buy a veyron or tnt


and after that try it on your favorite kite (that will be a veyron or tnt :D)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: kepople on February 20, 2013, 10:17 AM
it all seems so simple and works in my head every time...but not in practice :)


Title: Re: Which kites "give away" tricks...
Post by: Wayner on February 20, 2013, 12:23 PM
best way to learn the taz: buy a veyron or tnt


and after that try it on your favorite kite (that will be a veyron or tnt :D)

I have bought 20 kites in the last 2 years what is a few more   ;D