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Title: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 10:37 AM
Hello GWTW members,

I just joined the site and glad to be here.  Been a long time since I last piloted kites but hopefully after this restoration project I can get the bug back and start collecting new kites.

Here is the Nuke I purchased originally in 96' from Kites of Boston, a local shop in Faneuil Hall in Boston, MA.

Front

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-07_12-36-30_701-1.jpg)

Back

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-07_12-40-11_954.jpg)

Manufacture Date Feb 06 1996

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-07_12-41-51_464.jpg)

I ordered all new connectors and did my best measuring the O.D./I.D. of shafts but still was a bit confused on what to purchase.  The most difficult part to actually locate was an original T Connector.  All the other connectors appear to be available.  The original used an External Aluminum Ferrule on the Lower Spreader which is .380 in. O.D. and .320 in. I.D.  The Lower Spreader themselves are Shiny wrapped carbon rods with an O.D. of .305 in. throughout the rod except near the ends when they appear reinforced to .315 in.  The I.D. is still .240 in.  I was thinking of purchasing this T Connector but had no experience with this style.

Excel T Connector 8mm

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/Excel-CrossConnector8mm.jpg)

Here are some additional pics of the areas where the connectors have deteriorated.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-07_12-39-17_181.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-07_12-38-25_423.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-07_12-38-04_751.jpg)

I did order the following so far:

APA LE Connectors APA D
APA Center T 6x7mm (This part will require me to change from outer ferrule on lower spreader to internal .240 ferrule)
APA 7mm & 8mm Molded Stoppers (Doo Hinkeys)
APA Stand Off Spreader Connectors APA 312
APA Center T Connector 6x7mm (6mm end will need a 6mm ferrule to be inserted first to attach the Lower Spreaders now)

I also needed to repair an upper portion LE carbon rod with one more matched to the rest of the airframe.  The patch rod used has too weak a spine and too heavy.  Here is what I purchased.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/CarbonRod.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on February 07, 2013, 10:46 AM
oooo..Kites of Boston customer eh?
you still up in this neck of the woods?

What do you need to restore? I have full sets of Reactors at my hands.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 10:49 AM
I just edited the post to update some info.  Thanks for the super fast response and interest!!  I actually now live in Orlando, FL.  I'm missing the snow right now and the snowboarding!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2013, 10:55 AM
Oops, some of this may not apply as it was written too soon! Sounds like you've got LE fittings. Are the APA?

You should buy an internal ferrule for the spreaders and use a modern center T. The ones with the eternal ferrules are not so great.  I'll show you a picture of what I use.

(http://www.chicokites.com/store/images/uploads/gftees.jpg)

APA 6x7 fittings


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Well, I'm the only guy around here who flies Reactors on a regular basis, so I can probably be some help.

What do you need? Looks like lower spreaders are missing?

Probably leading edge fittings and center T need replacing. Sometimes the spreader/standoff connectors too. The original ones crumble after so much time, for fail immediately in flight. Regular APA fittings are the way to go.

If you need spars, it will be tough to find the right ones. The Skyshark 7P and 5P sticks used in the 'Nuke haven't been made in years and old stock was cleaned out by folks like me. You could advertise in the Wanted section of the swap meet. Last time I pleaded for 5Ps they were scarce. Maybe there are some 7Ps (which you would need for the lower spreaders) floating around.

If you can't get 7Ps, you could make spreaders with the newer Skyshark P300 tubes, which are the stiffest non-tapered tubes, but they would not be stiff enough. 7Ps are very stiff. The way to work this is to put a smaller diameter rod into the P300. This is often called "stuffing" and can work well. A stuffed spar can be too heavy for some applications but the 7Ps were pretty heavy. If you need to go this way, I'll give you more info.

Normally Steve, this forum's host and Gone With The Wind/Chico Kites owner is the best source for parts, especially if you're not sure which you need, but he is currently out of action for medical reasons. One of the shops listed on the right of this page should be able to help.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on February 07, 2013, 10:57 AM
Here is rod info from Allen Carter...those should be Skyshark 7p rods
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=6315.msg56273#msg56273 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=6315.msg56273#msg56273)
So..you will have to find a fitting that will accept them...
The aluminum ferrule has the spreader in a deeper depth than the plastic exel center T.......


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2013, 11:06 AM
Wow! I forgot about that thread!

Thanks Thief!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 11:10 AM
I have the the entire air frame complete except the upper section of the LE.  It was shattered when I attempted flight in winds around 30mph during a hurricane.  Not smart I know, I wanted to see how much she could handle with the vents open.  I ordered this rod as it matched in appeareance and specs from my caliper and scale measurments.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/CarbonRod.jpg)

Ok so it sounds like I ordered everything I needed.  I hope my measurments were ok.  If anyone can post some close up pics of proper bridle and LE connector mounting along with the APA Center T & ferrule connections that would incredible!!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2013, 11:15 AM
That Exel rod will fit, but is much lighter than the 7Ps. It should be OK in an Upper LE but won't be too reliable in really high wind. It may be quite loose in the external ferrule which would make for a weak spot. Also, the kite will be unbalanced unless you use the same rod on each side. Not a biggie on a havy old school kite like this, but would make things wierd on a lighter or more modern kite.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 12:01 PM
I'm not sure that my math computes the use of a 7P rod for the leading edge of the Nuke.  At least what I have on my original airframe is the following:

Both lower and upper LE rods are 32.5 in. in length.  Both are glossy wrapped carbon with main O.D. of rod at .285 in. with an I.D. of .245 in.  The last 2 inches of each end of the rods is additionally wrapped to an O.D. of .305 in.  The weight of each rod was approx. .520 oz.  So to summarize the specs:

32.5" in.
.245 I.D.
.285 in. O.D.
0.520 oz.

The Excel Ultra Light Wrapped Carbon Rod I ordered was the following specs:

32.5" in.
.247" I.D.
.288" O.D.
0.514 oz.

What are the specs of a 7P or 5P?  Are they now the P200 and P400 respectively?

Sky Shark P200

32.5"
.244"
.290"
0.562 oz

Sky Shark P400

32.5"
.244"
.300"
0.730 oz


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2013, 12:25 PM
7P sticks weighed at least 25 grams.

The 5Ps were more like 15 grams. They generally have a white band around one end. I don't recall the band color on 7Ps but it either case its often not there. Sounds like you have a kite framed in 5Ps. Very unusual, but a MUCH better kite. In that case the Excel stick is indeed a good replacement fr a ULE. For things like spreader you's want whichever spar was stiffer and in a matched set.

The P300 is a tiny bit stiffer than the 400 but the 400 is stronger. Both are quite a bit more flexible than a 5P, so they may not be a good replacement in some areas of the kite.I don't know about the flex characteristics of the Excel, but it's easy to compare to the stock sticks.

This chart was last updated in like 1998 but it has useful info on a variety of older spars.

http://www.nic.fi/~sos/spars/spars98.htm (http://www.nic.fi/~sos/spars/spars98.htm)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Smeagol on February 07, 2013, 12:33 PM
I may have some 7P's, would need to look through all the rods.  Sounds like yours might be different though anyway.

-Mike


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on February 07, 2013, 12:35 PM
These might help a little bit....swiped from Viper Sport Kites

Stiffness
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lXK_3KJPc-U/URQP45tRe0I/AAAAAAAAbas/SUlpKBqiUeM/s720/Rod%2520Stiffness.jpg)

Deflection
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rrRnQbZDTs8/URQP5cZb-BI/AAAAAAAAba0/al-RiTkWrMc/s720/Rod%2520Deflection.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 12:36 PM
The LE tubes and the Upper Spreader have a White band on them each.  Both have the the same specs.

The Lower Spreader and Spine both have a Green band on them and here are the specs as measured:

32.5" in.
.245" I.D.
.301" O.D.
0.750 oz.

This looks like a Sky Shark P400

Sky Shark P400

32.5" in.
.244" I.D.
.300" O.D.
0.730 oz.

As in archery spine value or deflection value is also critical.  This is the one value that is difficult for me to compare as I do not understand what is the universal standard to measure deflection in kiting airframes as we do in archery and arrow manufacturing.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on February 07, 2013, 12:42 PM
7ps have a green ring...
in googling i saw that i think it was Marty Sasaki who posted that in his Nuke there was 5p LE with 7p spreaders........

"I was surprised to see 5p rods in the leading edge of Spectra's Nuclear Reactor. I was expecting to find a 7p there." (https://groups.google.com/group/rec.kites/tree/browse_frm/month/1997-06/d0c76135d73660c0?rnum=61&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.kites%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F1997-06%3F)

I will admit that i have 2 full sets of the appropriate sticks...but they come in nice Custom Colored Nuclear Reactor shaped packages...(they need fittings as well).....


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 12:48 PM
Quote
I will admit that i have 2 full sets of the appropriate sticks...but they come in nice Custom Colored Nuclear Reactor shaped packages...(they need fittings as well).....

Do you have any interest in selling the two sets?  If they are other than the Red/White/Black theme I have it would be nice to add to a collection! :)

Quote fixed. Il Duce


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 07, 2013, 12:54 PM
Hi Spectra Sport 96, welcome aboard !

I own many Spectra Sport Kites and 3 Nuclear Reactors ! I reframed my 3 Nuclear because all original SkyShark fittings were damaged.  :(


I did order the following so far:

APA LE Connectors APA D

No, that's to big for the original SkyShark 7P no tapered tubes of your Nuclear Reactor !

You have to order APA "C". Just put them in boiling water before insert into the leading edges and that will work perfect.

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APA Center T 6x7mm (This part will require me to change from outer ferrule on lower spreader to internal .240 ferrule)

No, keep the original SkyShark aluminium ferrule but replace the bad SkyShark Center-T by a vinyl ferrule !

Quote
APA 7mm & 8mm Molded Stoppers (Doo Hinkeys)

Why don't you keep the original stoppers ? Are they damaged (it happens, I know) ? But I would replace them by cuted vinyl Ý 7 mm endcaps.

Quote
APA Stand Off Spreader Connectors APA 312

No, to big again. Use APA .250 and boiling water !

Good luck for your reframe of this nice kite (he won the Team WorldCup in Le Touquet - France with Team Tsunami in 1994). I was there !


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on February 07, 2013, 12:54 PM
yep...I can shoot you a private message about them.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 03:24 PM
Can you guys with the Nuclear Reactors or any of the Reactors please post up images of your Center T setups and bridle wraps aound the LE Connectors.  Its been a while and I want to make sure i set this up correctly please.  Thanks again!

@Michel

I will purchase the APA "C" and the APA .250 connectors to have backup as they are cheap enough. All of the stoppers are gone except two on one LE which seem super soft and ready to fall off if forced.  I'll just replace them all with the Molded stoppers as I can glue them onto the LE shafts.

I don't understand what you meant by "replace the bad SkyShark Center-T by a vinyl ferrule!"  Can you post some images of this setup please?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 07, 2013, 03:28 PM

I don't understand what you meant by "replace the bad SkyShark Center-T by a vinyl ferrule!"  Can you post some images of this setup please?
Oopsss, sorry !  :(

Vinyl Center-T of course, not vinyl ferrule (or R-Sky Center-T if you don't have vinyl T).


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2013, 03:52 PM
The way your bridle is attached at the spine and LE looks fine. At the LE I generally put the bridle between the LE fitting and the stopper. Below the LLE fitting and above the ULE fitting. At the spine, keep the bridle below the T and you might want to put a stopper after the bridle to keep it from moving down the spine. This is usually not a big deal.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2013, 03:59 PM

No, keep the original SkyShark aluminium ferrule but replace the bad SkyShark Center-T by a vinyl ferrule !


I recommended the modern internal ferrule because I had a hard time finding a T that would accommodate the big external ferrule. The few I found 8 or 9 years ago were not strong enough. (one set crumbled due to age...) Michel may have a different range of Ts available. Kite parts can be sort of regional. He's certainly the Reactor guy. I believe he has some that used to be mine. :-) (I've only got four left)

The other reason I wouldn't go back to the external ferrule for my kites is they tend to rub against the sail in storage and leave a wear spot. Probably just me being lazy when I put the kite away.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 07, 2013, 04:13 PM
Yes but with an internal ferrule, you have to cut the 2 Lower Spreaders because of the width of the Center-T. If not, you'll not have the same wingspan.

I always try too to keep my vintage kites in the configuration of the original kite.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 04:21 PM
Sadly as I tried to find an equal replacement to the original Center T none were found that could accomadate the .300 in. spine and the .380 in. Aluminum Externel Ferrule.  I will have to try the Excel Center T I listed earlier in the post or go the route Allen Carter mentioned with the APA Center T, both will require internal carbon ferrule.  The Excel Center T option will not require me to cut the Lower Spreader to maintain the same wing span.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 07, 2013, 04:35 PM
But take care with the Exel Center in strong winds.

This Center-T can break.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 07, 2013, 04:52 PM
Can you increase the diameter of any of these Center-Ts by drilling the hole to a larger spec?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 07, 2013, 06:01 PM
Ok for the nuke to fly right you really need as close to the original stuff as possible.  My nuke has 5P LE, 5P upper, 7P lower, 7P spine.  For the center T I got a piece of delrin rod from tap plastics (you can use lexan rod too) and driled it out to match the ferrule and spine. An APA T will work too if you ferrule the rods.  As an alternative to the 7P spreaders you can use skyshark nitro tapered rods.  Best place to go for frame advice is to the guy that made them.  Jon Trenephols shop is linked on the right.  Give him a call over at skyburners shop and he can tell you what will be closest to the 7P and he may even have some old stock around as well.  I know me and Allen bought out Steves leftover stock of old rods.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 08, 2013, 06:35 PM
Best place to go for frame advice is to the guy that made them.  Jon Trenephols shop is linked on the right.  Give him a call over at skyburners shop and he can tell you what will be closest to the 7P and he may even have some old stock around as well.  I know me and Allen bought out Steves leftover stock of old rods.

Well, I called Jon over at Sky Shark / Sky Burner to see if he could give me his best estimate on an 5P equivalent.  He asked to call me back, as he needed some time to look through his inventory.  He had sounded a bit busy and I didnt want to pressure him so I said "OK thanks Jon,  I'll talk with you later."  I figured he had been depleted of these tubes for quite a while and would call me back next week or something.  He calls me back in like 10 minutes to tell me has one 5P  in 32.5in. and in a 36in.  He then tells me he would send me the 32.5in. and cut the 36in. down to 32.5in. and cap it as a backup rod for the Upper LE.  I couldn't believe my luck and how nice this guy was!  The kiting community has not changed at all since I last remebered it in the mid 90's.  Glad to be back doing this again!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: tpatter on February 08, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jon is a great guy.

I called him once about an issue that I had with my iNak.   Basically, I had lost the battens, but did not realize it.  He diagnosed my problem and was kind enough to send me out a replacement set all for free!  Super nice guy and a pleasure to talk to.

Tom


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: johnfarl on February 08, 2013, 09:07 PM
I have two Spectra Sport kites  Reactor Pro and one that is larger.  I would like to find more information on those kites.  I think the larger one is called a Maxi Edge.  Does anyone know where there is list and set of specs for these kites.

I love how they fly.   With exception of rotting connectors which have all been replace they are really excellent kites.  Love the way they hold a line.  The reactor pro is actually trickable with slot machines, fades and axles.  The bigger one doesn't like to be knocked out of its flight.

John


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 08, 2013, 09:27 PM
I have two Spectra Sport kites  Reactor Pro and one that is larger.  I would like to find more information on those kites.  I think the larger one is called a Maxi Edge.  Does anyone know where there is list and set of specs for these kites.

I love how they fly.   With exception of rotting connectors which have all been replace they are really excellent kites.  Love the way they hold a line.  The reactor pro is actually trickable with slot machines, fades and axles.  The bigger one doesn't like to be knocked out of its flight.

John
Post up some pics when you can.  The reactor pro is a fun kite and with a bit of tweaking really trickable.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 09, 2013, 01:03 AM
I have two Spectra Sport kites  Reactor Pro and one that is larger.  I would like to find more information on those kites.  I think the larger one is called a Maxi Edge.  Does anyone know where there is list and set of specs for these kites.

I'm not sure that you'll find many specs for these kites on the web. Perhaps on the old GWTW forum but I don't know if it's still possible to read the messages.

But what do you need exactly ? Some of us can help you probably.

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With exception of rotting connectors which have all been replace they are really excellent kites.

Yes, take care with these old bad SkyShark pieces and dont' wait to put all leading edges connectors, standoffs connectors, center-T, stoppers into the trash. Replace LE connectors by APA "C" and .250 for the standoffs and winglets.

Don't wait until break by flight and damage to the sail with a spar !


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 09, 2013, 11:04 AM
I have two Spectra Sport kites  Reactor Pro and one that is larger.  I would like to find more information on those kites.  I think the larger one is called a Maxi Edge.  Does anyone know where there is list and set of specs for these kites.

John

Reactor Pro
8'+ wingspan
Skyshark 5P frame
Nylon or Poly sail

Reactor Lite
8'+ wingspan
Skyshark 3P frame
Poly sail with light reinforcements.

Nuclear Reactor
8'+ wingspan
5P LE
5P US
7P Spine
7P LS
Variable Vented poly or nylon sail with removable panels.

Reactor Plus
9'+ wingspan
5P frame
Poly sail

Reactor Microlite
A bit under 8'+ wingspan
5.5 Gram Response Zero Gold sticks
Very light poly sail. Single standoffs. Very light fittings

Info originally provided by Allen Carter in a previous post.  I updated the Nuclear Reactor to be more specific on airframe.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 09, 2013, 12:38 PM
I wanted to try and see if a Dynamic or "Pro" bridle could be installed to allow more customized flight characteristics.  I'm somewhat confused as most "guides" to convert a static to dynamic bridle use a different bridle style where the "single line" connects from the upper leading edge to the lower leading edge.  The Nuclear Reactor has a static bridle where the "single line"  goes from the upper leading edge to the spine.  So I'm not sure how to convert accordingly.  I was thinking about removing the original bridle and storing it away and just buy a new one.

Static Bridle:
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/staticbridle.jpg)

Static to Dynamic Bridle Conversion:
Step 1
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/dynamic1.jpg)
Step 2
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/dynamic1.jpg)
Step 3
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/dynamicbridle.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 09, 2013, 03:44 PM
First off you have to identify how the static bridle is built.  Find out if the inhaul and up haul are one piece or the up haul and out haul are one piece.  Once you figure that out then the conversion is easy. 

Now if your static bridle already has a tow point pig tail separate from the rest of the bridle then its even easier to convert.  If the tow point pig tail is separate (larks headed to the up and out hauls with the inhaul larks headed to the pig tail)and the up and out hauls are one piece of line then make new pigtail loops 20 cm long.  Tie a knot at 12 cm from the loop end of the new pig tail and attatch them using a prussic knot to the up and out hauls (once attached the "turbo" leg should be approx 10 cm). Tie the inhaul to the new pig tail with a larks head above the knot you made for the turbo leg (flying line side) and test fly.

If your static bridle is built diferent from what I described then post back and I'll help with that conversion.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 09, 2013, 04:10 PM
Hi all,

Many pictures of Spectra Sport Kites => here (http://stratofender.free.fr/Coriolis%20System/)  ;)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 09, 2013, 05:06 PM
First off you have to identify how the static bridle is built.  Find out if the inhaul and up haul are one piece or the up haul and out haul are one piece.  Once you figure that out then the conversion is easy. 

Now if your static bridle already has a tow point pig tail separate from the rest of the bridle then its even easier to convert.  If the tow point pig tail is separate (larks headed to the up and out hauls with the inhaul larks headed to the pig tail)and the up and out hauls are one piece of line then make new pigtail loops 20 cm long.  Tie a knot at 12 cm from the loop end of the new pig tail and attatch them using a prussic knot to the up and out hauls (once attached the "turbo" leg should be approx 10 cm). Tie the inhaul to the new pig tail with a larks head above the knot you made for the turbo leg (flying line side) and test fly.

If your static bridle is built diferent from what I described then post back and I'll help with that conversion.


The bridle on The Nuclear Reactor looks like this:

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/fd81dd23-ed28-4a7e-9950-50cc44cdeb36.jpg)

GREEN = Pigtail
RED = One piece line from Upper LE, Lark Knot at Pigtail, then through to Spine (Uphaul/Inhaul)
BLUE = Individual line attached from Lower LE to Pigtail (Outhaul)
YELLOW = Individual line attached from LE midsection to Pigtail (Appears to be spar support for high winds)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 09, 2013, 10:21 PM
OK. THe conversion for that bridle is going to be a bit more involved. Note all stock bridle measurements before starting in case you want to put it back stock.

1. take the middle high wind support leg off for the moment but leave it on the LE.

2. Mark the up haul 1 inch above the pig tail.

3.Take the out haul off the pig tail and remove any loop in the line and tie a single knot at the end (measure and note the loop length incase you want to put it back to stock).

4. Larks head the up/inhaul to the out haul at the mark you made in step 2 making sure the knot you tied in the end of the out haul doesn't slip out.

5. Mark the inhaul 1 inch below (toward the spine) the pig tail and turn the larks head knot the pig tail is currently using into a prussic knot by passing the pig tail around and through the center of the larks knot making a double wrap

6. Move the pig tail 1 inch toward the inhaul (the mark you made in step 5) so the total turbo leg length will be 2 inches(5 cm)

7. Test fly and proceed to step 8 if you like the set up.

8. take the high wind support leg and set it up as you did the out haul in step 3.  Loosen the larks head the out haul is on and put the high wind leg there as well.

To adjust AOA you will need to move the out haul up or down.  Turn rate move the turbo leg in or out.  As an alternative AOA adjustment you can tie 3 more knots on the out haul at 1/2 inch spacing from the end during step 3 and move the larks head on those knots.



Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 10, 2013, 10:10 AM
Ok I got my hardware in yesterday.  I still will need to wait on replacement 5P from Jon@Skyshark.  The new Excel tube I ordered was much better, specifications wise, than the heavy spongey pultruded carbon repair shaft that was on it from the 96' Hurricane Edouard incident!  It matched weight, dimensions and appearance but was still not stiff enough, the spine value is still a bit lower than the 5P.

Parts
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-09_16-35-22_428.jpg)

Assembled and Reborn!
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-14-05_882.jpg)

New Center-T Assembly
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-14-41_709.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-50_457.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-24-33_405.jpg)

Completely Rebuilt Stand-Offs (New Rods and Connectors)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-17-44_488.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-24-54_858.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-25-08_523.jpg)

New Leading Edge Connectors
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-09_25.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-17_890.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-30_32.jpg)

New Bungie Cord all around
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-17-56_615.jpg)

Initial Launch from Florida
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_12-00-21_576.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_12-00-41_147.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-55-31_878.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-54-49_844.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: johnfarl on February 10, 2013, 10:44 AM
Thanks Spectra Sport for the info.  The big kite I have is a Plus.  Wing span is 9' 4".  I think it is 5P frame.

Do you know what the wind range is?  I am figuring from about 7 to 8 up to 20 mph.

John


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
Nice job Spectra Sport 96 !


New Leading Edge Connectors
([url]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-17_890.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-30_32.jpg[/url])


But unfortunatly, the knots on the leading edges are not like the original and your bridle will be a bit too long. The Spectra Sport Kites knots are very good !

Thanks Spectra Sport for the info.  The big kite I have is a Plus.  Wing span is 9' 4".  I think it is 5P frame.

Yes, SkyShark 5P frame.

Quote
Do you know what the wind range is?  I am figuring from about 7 to 8 up to 20 mph.


2-10 mph - 1 -> 3 Beaufort. (Spectra Sport Kites catalog 1995).

(http://stratofender.free.fr/Coriolis%20System/images/b09a-%20Spectra%20Nuclear%20Reactor%20Plus.jpg)



Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 10, 2013, 05:53 PM
But unfortunatly, the knots on the leading edges are not like the original and your bridle will be a bit too long. The Spectra Sport Kites knots are very good !


(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-09_25.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-18-17_890.jpg)

These knots were factory.  It has gone unchanged since 96' so I'm not sure what yours looks like.  I'm not sure what they are called as they appear only on the Upper Outhaul and the Lower Outhaul.  It looks like a larks head hitch, but with an overhand loop wrapped around itself.  I'd actually just learned how to make/replicate this knot and it is very secure.  Please post an image of what you have on your kites please.  I'm intrigued. 


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 11, 2013, 04:34 AM
Hi Spectra Sport 96,


These knots were factory.  It has gone unchanged since 96' so I'm not sure what yours looks like.  I'm not sure what they are called as they appear only on the Upper Outhaul and the Lower Outhaul.  It looks like a larks head hitch, but with the overhand loop wrapped around itself.  I'd actually like to learn how to make this knot as it is very secure.  Please post an image of what you have on your kites please.  I'm intrigued.


Your knots are perhaps right but they have to go around the connectors and not below or above the APAs. For all Spectra Sport Kites.

Like this :

(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9661/knotg.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 11, 2013, 06:28 AM
Thank you Michel.  Since last I opened the kite bag, all the connectors had turned into gray powder.  I couldn't remember where and how the lines and connections where placed.  Thanks so much for the close up images.  Here are the corrected connections.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-11_10-29-32_500.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-11_10-29-24_888.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-11_10-28-27_550.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-11_10-28-50_25.jpg)

I still have a few more questions on finishing this restoration.

  • Does everything else look to be ok?
  • I want to apply a new Spectra Sport Kites logo to the lower leading edge panel.  Any input on how that was done from the factory?  The mylar laminate seems to have come off to a point where the logo came off with it.  The decal was literally flaked off when touched and then washing the sail completely removed it.
  • Also, does anyone have a copy of any materials or brochures that would have been around at the time.  I'd want to create a portrait of advertising and instructional materials from Spectra Sport and frame it to hang on the wall with the kite.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 11, 2013, 07:39 AM
(http://www.bfk.com/kite/images/3874.gif)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: mikenchico on February 11, 2013, 12:16 PM
you could try to make a template from an adhesive backed paper then use Design Master Paints to paint it on. But white over black will require multiple coats, design master does scratch and flake when put on thick though. Know a local screen printer?



Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on February 11, 2013, 01:41 PM
That's a good looking Nuke!

My first one looked like this:

(http://www.threekids.net/kites/images/DSCN1045.JPG)

 Really funky colors (and the Pro flat on the ground...) :-[


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 11, 2013, 04:19 PM
That's a good looking Nuke!

My first one looked like this:

([url]http://www.threekids.net/kites/images/DSCN1045.JPG[/url])

 Really funky colors (and the Pro flat on the ground...) :-[
Hehe looks like my nuke Allen

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6780182031_e1d1d38562.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/6780182031/)
Nuclear reactor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ca_ike/6780182031/#) by Ca Ike (http://www.flickr.com/people/ca_ike/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Wow, everyone seems to have the same Team UpRoar Color Nukes!  How many Reds or Blues did they even make or survived then?

Looks like I also located a Screen Printing facility in Orlando that uses Plastisol & IC 900 Series White Nylon to print on nylon materials.  I'm going to see how much a template and a single run will cost me to re-do my Nuke.  I still don't have a clean image of the logo to be used yet.  Can anyone with a Nuke please get a hi-def close up image of the logo from the kite itself.  I know posting images can be a pain but i would really appreciate the support.

By the way, my name is Lou.  Calling me Spectra seems odd now that we've started to communicate on the forums :)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 11, 2013, 05:19 PM
I got mine from Larry NAvaro who used to fly for the spectra sports team. When I get a chance I'll make a trace from the logos on my nuke for ya.  THe only one on it though is the specrta one on the wing tip.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 11, 2013, 06:36 PM
Thanks Ike!  I appreciate getting that logo to spec, its going to cost a bit having it screened on but I think worth it if these kites are no longer around. 

I also got annoyed that the factory aluminum ferrule was still unused so I tore the spine out and flipped the APA Center-T around and milled out the .240 ferrule hole to .280.  Now its a .280 x .280 Center-T and uses the aluminum ferrule again for that Ole Skool finish!

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/Kites/2013-02-12_08-47-45_733.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/Kites/2013-02-12_08-47-38_389.jpg)

Scanned Logo from Kite Bag... sadly not the same as the kite wing tip logo I need!

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/spectralogo.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 12, 2013, 03:12 AM
Hi Lou,

Thatís probably the best solution to replace the broken SkyShark Center-T, because you donít need to cut the Lower Spreaders.

And the special 7P metallic SkyShark external ferrule will work perfect !

But are you sure itís ďAPAĒ fittings ?

I own some of these Center-T and itís written ďAviaĒ on them. I know that APA means Avia Prism Aerie but this T is not very old and Aerie Kiteworks is out of business for many years...  ;)

Bravo Lou, your Nuke looks very nice now and I like this grey/red color !

P.S. : with the "new" knots assembly around the APA Leading egdes connectors, the Upper Spreader is now perfect in the middle of the diamond protection on the sail. Was a bit to low before... ;). The Lower Spreaders are right straight too...

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-11_10-28-50_25.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-10_11-14-05_882.jpg)

I also got annoyed that the factory aluminum ferrule was still unused so I tore the spine out and flipped the APA Center-T around and milled out the .240 ferrule hole to .280.  Now its a .280 x .280 Center-T and uses the aluminum ferrule again for that Ole Skool finish!

([url]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-02-11_20-56-04_137.jpg[/url])


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 12, 2013, 05:06 AM
Good morning Michel,

Yes the Center-T as sold by Goodwinds here in the states has it labeled as seen below.  There is no AVIA stamped on these pieces, as I have seen by other vendors who sell it under the G-Force brand name.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/APACenterT.jpg)

I actually spot glued the stoppers onto the LE tubes where the originals were.  This then allowed the upper/lower spreaders to line up correctly.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/Kites/2013-02-12_08-47-31_406.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/Kites/2013-02-12_08-47-38_389.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/Kites/2013-02-12_08-47-26_449.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on February 12, 2013, 05:16 AM
goodwinds purchased Avia composites a few years back...they are probably just making new ones with the branding missing...


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 12, 2013, 08:14 AM
(http://www.bilboquet.com/images/dynamic/package/v7855.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on February 12, 2013, 11:44 AM
Good morning Michel,

Yes the Center-T as sold by Goodwinds here in the states has it labeled as seen below.  There is no AVIA stamped on these pieces, as I have seen by other vendors who sell it under the G-Force brand name.

([url]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/APACenterT.jpg[/url])

THis T has always been made by Avia but when Mark(prism) and Ken(aerie) came into the picture as partners it all became APA. THats why you will see different logos on them.  Who came up with what fitting idea is another question. Just be glad they partnered up or we'd probably still be using vinyl tubing :P


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Michel on February 12, 2013, 12:07 PM
... and don't forget my friends that these nice Avia/APA Center-Ts are not only available by Goodwinds but also by the best kiteshop in the world => here (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=410) !  :D

P.S. Ca Ike : there is only 2 sorts of these Center-Ts - Without label or with "Avia" label. Never with APA label.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on February 17, 2013, 03:21 PM
I received my 5P's from Jon this week and was excited to finally get the proper replacement on the Nuke.  Took it out for a test flight past couple days.  Winds have been at 12-15mph, gusts 25+.  It's been super fun hearing this kite rip the airways again!  Here are some images of the tubes Jon sent to me and the incorrect Axis tube I was using the past couple weeks.  I wonder in what year the two tubes were manufactured, based on the decal type printed on the tubes.  Definitely post 1995/96 as those were white pinstripe tape labeled.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/91d30327-a63f-44ea-92c8-21bc6cd31d27.jpg)

Also, any luck with anyone able to take accurate pics of the decal on the wing on the Nuke.  I'm ready to take the kite to a screen print company but I don't have an image to use yet.  Please, if anyone is able to trace or simply take a clean flat image I can work with the logo and determine correct size and position.  The sooner I get this project done the sooner I can move onto another Spectra Kite.  I think thief may have some still available for sale.  ;D



Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 01, 2013, 02:03 PM
Hoping anyone can still take a clean pic of the spectra logo on the lower leading edge on the Spectra Nuclear Reactor?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on March 01, 2013, 02:44 PM
I assume the logo is the same on other Reactor kites. I'll shoot it for you this weekend. I have at least one loose sail, maybe ill put glass over the logo to make it nice and flat and include a tape measure?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 01, 2013, 06:19 PM
I assume the logo is the same on other Reactor kites. I'll shoot it for you this weekend. I have at least one loose sail, maybe ill put glass over the logo to make it nice and flat and include a tape measure?

That would be awesome!

I've got several Spectra Sports kites in the Kite Cave.
I'll do a little spelunking and see if any have a useful logo on them.

Thank you also!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 05, 2013, 03:48 PM
I assume the logo is the same on other Reactor kites. I'll shoot it for you this weekend. I have at least one loose sail, maybe ill put glass over the logo to make it nice and flat and include a tape measure?

That would be awesome!

I've got several Spectra Sports kites in the Kite Cave.
I'll do a little spelunking and see if any have a useful logo on them.

Thank you also!

Any luck on these images guys.  I still cant get over there are no images on the darn internet of any quality.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: chilese on March 05, 2013, 05:59 PM
I use to complain that there weren't any good photos of sport kites about 12 years ago.

My lovely wife said, "You've got a camera. Do something about it."

Best I can find on my site:

This photo is 1800x2400 pixels, hope it helps:

https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2006Kites#5431535723728440898

There are about 2 dozen Spectra Sport photos around that one, before and after.  :)

If you're not part of the solution........  :)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on March 05, 2013, 10:11 PM
Sorry for the delay, I've been sick. I'll get the Reactor logo shot ASAP


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 06, 2013, 07:40 AM
Sorry for the delay, I've been sick. I'll get the Reactor logo shot ASAP

Thanks Allen,  I'm sorry to hear you haven't been well.  This weather has been a chore on the wellness of many this year. 

Yes there are logos out there but literally none are useable to the screen print company.  They are very particular with image quality and I have even tried to enhance, with Photoshop tools, images I have found online but with no real success.  I wish I had taken images of my kite prior to my disastrous washing of the sail and losing the logo entirely or I would have be all done with the resto project by now and need not bother all of you for this.  :(


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on March 06, 2013, 08:57 AM
I took a couple pics but what exactly does the print co need?  Sounds like tracing the logo will be better so I'll try and get that done today along with the pics.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 06, 2013, 09:41 AM
I took a couple pics but what exactly does the print co need?  Sounds like tracing the logo will be better so I'll try and get that done today along with the pics.

Actually a trace would have been best.  They can actually square up lines andwould not need to scale images to fit the sail correctly.  This is primarily why I get frstrated with myself as I had the kite logo intact at one point.  Completely regret the manner in which I cleaned and treated the sail.  I didnt think the mylar laminate would have suffered so much during the washing process.  Lesson learned.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on March 06, 2013, 11:17 AM
Ok I'll get a trace done and scan it in full size by tomorrow. Make sure you get me your e-mail.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 07, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sent email address via PM.  Thanks again!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 08, 2013, 08:12 PM
This logo is from an Edge series, does it match your Reactor?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SeTc3vAXOss/UTqxvJ80FKI/AAAAAAAAAhU/-VhO5ZnFC4w/s640/IMG_0022.JPG)

It could be photographed flat and scaled as needed.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 08, 2013, 09:33 PM
Thats the same logo yes.  If you could take a super flat image I'll take it.  I'm ready to just buy another project kite and stencil an image from that and move on.  Thanks for the assist.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 10, 2013, 06:34 PM
Here is a rough draft, I need some time to clean up the edges...

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WSOqPkdZOQI/UT00MFHPjwI/AAAAAAAAAhs/aniWuHZ176c/s912/Spectra%2520logo.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 11, 2013, 06:15 AM
Here is a rough draft, I need some time to clean up the edges...

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WSOqPkdZOQI/UT00MFHPjwI/AAAAAAAAAhs/aniWuHZ176c/s912/Spectra%2520logo.jpg)

That is the best looking logo to date!  Where I had issues is when the screen print company increased the image size to match the original kite sized logo it apparently pixelates and looses quality.  They had explained acquiring the highest resolution image of the original article was the best practice to achieve the highest quality logo.

I still cannot thank you enough for the effort you are putting forth on this logo for me.  Thank you so very much!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 11, 2013, 02:44 PM
The posted logo is only a preview for web, the working file is hi rez and  should scale up nicely. The triangle dimensions will give a good reference for for final sizing. The work gives me something to pass time with, glad you like it...


Title: Re: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 12, 2013, 10:27 AM
The posted logo is only a preview for web, the working file is hi rez and  should scale up nicely. The triangle dimensions will give a good reference for for final sizing. The work gives me something to pass time with, glad you like it...
Looks great from here. You using Photoshop? If you do, create some Outlines, then export it as an EPS file. As a precaution, it would probably be good to save it in a few different formats.... even a hi-rez JPG will work. I would also keep it grayscale as opposed to saving it as a black/white image. It'll give them more tweaking options.

Nancy


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 12, 2013, 12:21 PM
Nancy, I only have a very early (2001) version of PSE that came with my a scanner. I worked in greyscale and sent along the original rgb file as well...
Don't think my version will do those export options. Or, I don't know how  ;)


Title: Re: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 12, 2013, 12:41 PM
Nancy, I only have a very early (2001) version of PSE that came with my a scanner. I worked in greyscale and sent along the original rgb file as well...
Don't think my version will do those export options. Or, I don't know how  ;)
Pretty sure it'll work just fine- you did a *great* job of it. In fact, it's likely a much better image than what they are used to getting from people. You did good. :)


Title: Re: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 12, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nancy, I only have a very early (2001) version of PSE that came with my a scanner. I worked in greyscale and sent along the original rgb file as well...
Don't think my version will do those export options. Or, I don't know how  ;)
Pretty sure it'll work just fine- you did a *great* job of it. In fact, it's likely a much better image than what they are used to getting from people. You did good. :)

Whitebirdlover did excellent.  I just require one piece of information... the mesaurements so they can scale it correctly.  I guess the triangle will be perfect item to measure if you could please.  Thanks!!!!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: mikenchico on March 12, 2013, 11:46 PM
A vector format is most easily scaled since it is not based on pixels but coordinates and will scale without getting pixelated (jagged edges). 

Adobe has its own vector format .eps (Encapsulated PostScript), Microsoft developed the .wmf format (Windows Metafile ), and the web and most browsers support the .svg format (Scalable Vector Graphics). If the printer has any trouble with scaling I can convert it into any of them their program will support.



Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 13, 2013, 01:05 AM
Top leg of the triangle is 4 3/16 "


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on March 13, 2013, 03:21 PM
OK, I've got a fairly high res photo. Don't know if its better than what you already have. The logo is 16" and at that size the photo is 222ppi. This is good enough to make a good PostScript outline from without too much fiddling.

I'll send a PM with link.



Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 13, 2013, 05:21 PM
OK, I've got a fairly high res photo. Don't know if its better than what you already have. The logo is 16" and at that size the photo is 222ppi. This is good enough to make a good PostScript outline from without too much fiddling.

I'll send a PM with link.



Thanks Allen!

I just got back from a few screen print companies today and no one will touch the logo Whitebirdlover did for me.  They explained it was too jagged an image.  It looks like only a flat, real image of the white logo on a black background, or a black logo on white background can be worked into a proper negative and then used to make the transparency for screen printing.  At least thats what these shops advised me.  I think due to the economy most of these shops are pushing hard for custom image development which I see no need for.  I have great examples to provide.  I may try to purchase a DIY screen print kit and try my hand at this on a piece of ripstop nylon.  The clean logo and transparency creation is the hardest part it seems.  The actual painting itself is the easier part!

I also thought about maybe just grabbing a white paint pen and going to a few kite shows in the future and hope I can get some autographs from some of the cooler kite guys.  That can surely fill in that spot on the kite.  :)

-or-

I can purchase another Reactor and tandem the two together .  I think I might need 20+ mph constant wind to make that work.  THE WEIGHT!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 13, 2013, 06:33 PM
**UPDATE**

I just installed Adobe Illustrator and will attempt to convert the images provided to me into vector artwork.  Maybe I can get a clean result from the original kite images.  Wish me some luck... looks like learning curve on  Adobe illustrator is a bit steep!


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: DD on March 13, 2013, 09:15 PM
I think the screen print guys dont see the $$ with it to put the effort in.  I would goto a vinyl sign guy and get them to cut you a negative. I have friends that do this and they can handle most formats. Some good spray paint and your done. Should be cheaper then a silk screen too.
Just my 2 cents


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 13, 2013, 09:38 PM
Gads, it's been years, but I used to be able to do this stuff in my sleep. Had it down to just a few specific steps that had excellent results. Now there is no more CRT screen (wah!), my editing software is on some disc somewhere and I have no idea how to do it anymore, let alone provide any kind of decent result.

Did the screenprinting companies give you any kind of guidelines (file format, resolution, etc.)?

I went back to look at the logo on my computer rather than my phone (oops). There IS enough to work with but Allen's photo would give a better starting place.

One thing that will save tons and tons of time: except for the first stylized "S," that logo is made up of a very common italicized font. You'd only have to figure out which font, then type the sucker out. That would leave just the first "S" and the logo to create outlines for. Illustrator will convert your fonts into outlines for you so you don't end up with font issues at the printer's.

Let me see if I can figure out the font for you- might be late tonight.

Nancy


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 13, 2013, 09:40 PM
I think the screen print guys dont see the $$ with it to put the effort in.  I would goto a vinyl sign guy and get them to cut you a negative. I have friends that do this and they can handle most formats. Some good spray paint and your done. Should be cheaper then a silk screen too.
Just my 2 cents
That is a really excellent idea!


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 13, 2013, 10:01 PM
I think the screen print guys dont see the $$ with it to put the effort in.  I would goto a vinyl sign guy and get them to cut you a negative. I have friends that do this and they can handle most formats. Some good spray paint and your done. Should be cheaper then a silk screen too.
Just my 2 cents
That is a really excellent idea!

So go to one of those vinyl sticker guys in the malls or small shops?  Like the vinyl stickers you put on back windows and the like?  I think I can find some of these guys around.  What spray paint then would be best without cracking or peeling on nylon kite sail??  Thanks for the advice!

I also am quite lost at the moment with Illustrator so if anyone wants to take a stab with the images thats fine with me lol!!


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 13, 2013, 11:21 PM
From what I understand, Design Master spray paints are really good. You have the right idea on the vinyl. For awhile, even some Kinko's shops had this service . They still might. Basically you'd be having them cut a mask.

People spend whole lifetimes mastering Illustrator, so it is understandable that you would feel confused. I used to know enough to do what I needed to do, but it was pretty basic stuff in the grand scheme of things.

Am home now... am going to grab a bite, then if my eyeballs are still open, I will putz around with fonts.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 14, 2013, 02:23 AM
Welp..... the old eyeballs didn't last long-- fell asleep in my chair.  :-[

The good news is that the font is just a simple Arial. Allen, if you will PM the link, I could really use a clean image to layer with this text to do some kerning (spacing) stuff. I am a tad short of time in the next couple of days, but will keep putzing with this as I can.

Allen's photo will really help with the S-logo too, which is actually pretty straight forward.

n.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: DD on March 14, 2013, 07:41 AM
Yeh vinyl stickers like you see on cars. Most sign shops could do it and clean up the image easily. We ran numbers and graphics in vinyl for many years. Now things have shifted somewhat to printed vinyl.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on March 14, 2013, 10:59 AM
The black border lines around the white characters would add to the complexity of a postscript conversion. I'd say select just the white characters from the ripstop background, past on a black field and clean up any glitches from the selection in the bit map file so the edges are nice ans smooth. The cleaner the bitmap edges the better the path Illustrator can render. It might be better to flip the white characters to balck on a white background but it's been so long sinch I did this type of thing that it may not matter t all.

Brainfart: Why didn't I think of this before? I can get a higher res capture by putting the sail in my scanner. It would be in two sections but could split between the words Spectra ans Sport. Sorry I didn't think of this before. My home computer stuff is all taken apart, but the scanner plugs into my laptop easy. I'll take a look.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 14, 2013, 01:23 PM
Allen, your photo is perfect for my needs, so no worries for now. Getting the black outlines is as easy as a keystroke. The larger issue will be getting the black outline onto fabric. Those outlines will be teenytiny channels to cut out of vinyl.... or two separate masks. White one first, then somehow line up the separate little pieces on top of it to spray the black. Heck, the vinyl guys probably know how to deal with this. I would ask them.

OR! Someone with a steady hand can outline everything with a paint marker. ;D


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on March 14, 2013, 02:03 PM
The kite in question has black wingtips. The thin black border around the logo will not show unless you and a foot or two away.

On the gray paneled kite I photographed, the black border hardly shows at viewing distance.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 14, 2013, 02:30 PM
How practical would it be to zigzag stitch the outlines in black thread?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 14, 2013, 04:11 PM
I wanted to note to all involved to save some pain and agony  :)   

My Nuclear Reactor has no borders around the logo.  It was a solid white like whitebirdlovers image.  So no need to work extra hard on making any borders.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SeTc3vAXOss/UTqxvJ80FKI/AAAAAAAAAhU/-VhO5ZnFC4w/s640/IMG_0022.JPG)


So if you are using the logo with the border I can imagine the outer edge of that logo is in alignment with the all white logo.  Just color fill the entire image rather than creating the border.  Did that makes sense??? :)

OK, probably way too late, but I successfully retrieved a Spectra Sports kite from the Kite Cave.
Just quick shots, if useful, I will scan them flattened in high .dpi format.
white text on black ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/random_stuff/IMG_0573_zpsf099a5ea.jpg?t=1363299256[/url])
outlined white text on some horrible '90s shade of yellow ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/random_stuff/IMG_0574_zps11bfa7e3.jpg?t=1363299260[/url])  :o



I think any image of the logo super flat like between two pieces of glass will work.  I want to buy a kite at this point so I can try my hand at getting a clean original image myself now lol.  Anyone interested in selling one, I think thief hasnt responded to me yet.  He had a nice red white blue Nuke I think.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 14, 2013, 04:16 PM
heheh.... yup, it made sense. Just had myself a d'oh moment.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: DD on March 14, 2013, 06:32 PM
Want shadows or other colors, just two masks. Easy stuff in vinyl.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 14, 2013, 07:00 PM
Want shadows or other colors, just two masks. Easy stuff in vinyl.

Im sorry DD, I didnt understand.  I just need a mask made I guess to spray on the Designer paint in white.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 15, 2013, 08:22 AM
O.K. I have an Illustrator professional who looked at the .tiff file I sent you and he says no problem making a screen ready file to scale. He wants $40.00 to do the graphics work. I taped the sail flat for all practical purposes and he says the letters look true enough to screen well. Whadda ya think?
Update:
Here is the proof (final will have background dropped). Looks very clean, white areas on logo reflect offset due to alignment done to bring horizontals into register and will not be part of final layout.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tBxAh-0WZ0I/UUOxejq_HDI/AAAAAAAAAiI/m5lwgxK2fd8/s912/Level%2520Guides.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 15, 2013, 06:22 PM
O.K. I have an Illustrator professional who looked at the .tiff file I sent you and he says no problem making a screen ready file to scale. He wants $40.00 to do the graphics work. I taped the sail flat for all practical purposes and he says the letters look true enough to screen well. Whadda ya think?
Update:
Here is the proof (final will have background dropped). Looks very clean, white areas on logo reflect offset due to alignment done to bring horizontals into register and will not be part of final layout.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tBxAh-0WZ0I/UUOxejq_HDI/AAAAAAAAAiI/m5lwgxK2fd8/s912/Level%2520Guides.jpg)

Thanks whitebirdlover for all the effort put forth in this restoration.  Although I was trying to avoid spending too much in this restoration I may have no other choice.  At $40 for just the logo design work it may be in my best interest to just buy another Reactor and bring the sail into the vinyl shop.  At the same time if I had an excellent logo file I could have a professional transparency made to DIY a screen print template and do the resto painting myself.  I really rather not spend so much on graphical work although I'm sure its fair pricing for the labor involved.  Thank you again for the effort but let me see what other options we can work out first before spending that amount on file work.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 15, 2013, 06:37 PM
O.K. I have an Illustrator professional who looked at the .tiff file I sent you and he says no problem making a screen ready file to scale. He wants $40.00 to do the graphics work. I taped the sail flat for all practical purposes and he says the letters look true enough to screen well. Whadda ya think?
Update:
Here is the proof (final will have background dropped). Looks very clean, white areas on logo reflect offset due to alignment done to bring horizontals into register and will not be part of final layout.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tBxAh-0WZ0I/UUOxejq_HDI/AAAAAAAAAiI/m5lwgxK2fd8/s912/Level%2520Guides.jpg)

Thanks whitebirdlover for all the effort put forth in this restoration.  Although I was trying to avoid spending too much in this restoration I may have no other choice.  At $40 for just the logo design work it may be in my best interest to just buy another Reactor and bring the sail into the vinyl shop.  At the same time if I had an excellent logo file I could have a professional transparency made to DIY a screen print template and do the resto painting myself.  I really rather not spend so much on graphical work although I'm sure its fair pricing for the labor involved.  Thank you again for the effort but let me see what other options we can work out first before spending that amount on file work.

Hey, no problem. I was surprised when he sent me the proof, I had spoken with him this morning and gave him the .tiff file and told him I needed to contact the potential end user before I could ask him to do any work. I think he liked the idea of doing a kite logo and invested the effort. No commitment as I mentioned. But, if nothing else works for you, you know you have a source for a clean file.


Title: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 15, 2013, 08:34 PM
I was just about to pm about my end of things when I saw these updates in the thread. Might as well say it here.

I've spent way too much time trying to get Illustrator installed on my machine. So frustrating. Was cool to actually find the old backup hardrive. Not only found a lot of my old programs, I found all my old photos as well. Spent hours looking thru them.

My copy of Illus. is too old for my Windows Vista machine and Vista is too old for the current trial download of Illus. Same with InDesign. The proverbial Catch-22.

$40 is a good price (very good) for graphics work if you still want to go that way. I would stick with the vinyl idea, as by the time you spent the money for screenprinting  equipment, ink, and chemicals.... not to mention the learning curve, you could probably have the job paid to be done several times over.

Got another idea for you to think about and it's likely the most obvious. ;D What if you printed out one of these logo samples Allen and Whitebird have done for you. Use either clear Contact paper or freezer paper for your mask.

Freezer paper would be my first choice. You could print the logo right onto it (cut paper to fit your printer), then cut out the part you want to spray paint.  You will need to iron the freezer paper mask onto the fabric, plastic side down. Use a cotton setting on your iron. Test first  on scrap fabric.

If you have problems putting freezer paper in your printer, it's see-thru enough for you to trace the printed logo.

Cut the logo out of the center of the freezerpaper, iron to stick it thoroughly to your fabric, then spray paint.

I am really sorry my part of this didn't work out.

Nancy


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 16, 2013, 12:02 PM
Does ironing of freezer paper leave any residue on the sail afterwards?  I still like the idea of a completed image that I can just use to make a vinyl mask or go even to the extreme of making the screen print template.  I'm confused at this point on what direction to take...

I'm also still interested in purchasing another Reactor.  I'd like to grab another Nuke or a Pro if anyone is up for selling one.  I liked the red/gry/wht one Allen had in one of the posts in this thread.  I also liked the Team UpRoar colors thief had.  I think he is only selling pairs though.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: madhabitz on March 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Does ironing of freezer paper leave any residue on the sail afterwards?  I still like the idea of a completed image that I can just use to make a vinyl mask or go even to the extreme of making the screen print template.  I'm confused at this point on what direction to take...

Nope, no residue. It's awesome stuff to work with on cotton fabrics. You want your iron hot, then touch iron to paper quickly. Pressing it down in the spots you need to stick is better than ironing back and forth. You *must* test iron's heat on scrap fabric. Don't want to melt it. Mikenchico feels the fabric can hold up to the heat, so it's worth a shot.

You might be able to see thru the paper backing of Contact paper if you have a lightbox or tape it to a window. Use an exacto knife to cut. I am also wondering about using vinyl from a fabric store (they have different thicknesses at larger stores). Then you could use one of the spray adhesives that you let dry and they remain tacky. Maybe someone will know of a good one. This vinyl could be used over and over.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 16, 2013, 02:49 PM
Well I just got back from a vinyl banner shop locally and they can make me the negatives/masks for $15.00 using a qualified image.  I also bought the Design Master Colortool Spray Paint in Satin White and it doesn't look as good as expected and adhesion and durability doesn't appear to be sufficient. Although the paint odor was almost like baby powder.  ??? 
I am actually looking to use Krylon products in Satin White or Jacquard Neopaque in White or Super Opaque White and will return the Design Master Colortool product.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 17, 2013, 04:29 AM
Well, the vinyl shop really couldn't use the .jpg images I collected so far.  They advised a vector drawing was best, as we already found out :), and in .ai file format.  So I went back home and decided to give Illustrator CS6 one last try and started to watch a few YouTube video tutorials on logo creation.  Well after 5 hours of watching videos and hands on attempts here are my results.

SUCCESS!

Original Source image (provided by whitebirdlover)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/SpectraLogoOriginalSource.jpg)

Vector outline of logo, background removed (Vinyl Cut Ready)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/SpectraLogoVinylCutPrintReady.jpg)

Color filled outline (Screen Print Ready)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/SpectraLogoScreenPrintReady.jpg)

Scaled Up Logo image (No distortion or pixelation test)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/ScaledUpLogo.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 17, 2013, 07:17 AM
Say, that looks great! Nice effort on learning Illustrator.
As a painter by trade, I question the need to prime the fabric. I would wipe the area with denatured alcohol before applying product. And allow 24hrs before testing adhesion and film strength. "Dry" paint is not fully cured.
Looks like your almost there! I've been curious, did the old logo completely vanish from the sail?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 17, 2013, 07:29 AM
Say, that looks great! Nice effort on learning Illustrator.
As a painter by trade, I question the need to prime the fabric. I would wipe the area with denatured alcohol before applying product. And allow 24hrs before testing adhesion and film strength. "Dry" paint is not fully cured.

I actually just watched a tutorial from Krylon on painting cotton shirts with their product.  Looks like primer isn't used also so I will not use it and especially if you also advise to avoid a primer.  Hopefully this will get painted today before I get on base tomorrow for the week.  This will definitely give the paint time to properly cure and not let my dirty fingers get a hold of it too early!  :D

Looks like your almost there! I've been curious, did the old logo completely vanish from the sail?

The kite was left in my garage on an upper shelf for almost 7 years before I opened it up.  The heat in the garage can reach insane temps, especially in the middle of a Florida summer.  The decal partially flaked off upon touching it. The majority washed off when I cleaned the sail with mild detergent.  I eventually just brush scrubbed the remaining specs of paint off and cleared the sail of the logo. 

I will now follow the directive to keep kites properly stored in cool locations and out of direct sunlight for extended periods of time!  :-[


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 19, 2013, 04:39 PM
Here are the poor results from using the cad-cut vinyl stencils.  The Neopaque was so horrible to apply without being water reduced down 20% and sprayed or spread like a screen print process that I decided to NOT show any of those results.   :(

Here are the less worse Krylon can sprayed results which bled badly into the fabric.  I think this was due in part to the added chemicals that help propel the paint material had also penetrated the fabric and the adhesives in the vinyl stencil.  Spray can paint also appears to be too light in texture compared to screen print plastisol paints.  These results were from many, many light coats with 5 minute wait times in between. 

I'm so glad I didn't kill the kite by painting directly first attempt...


(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/full.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/4.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/3.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 19, 2013, 07:27 PM
Screening does have it's advantages...

I would think vinyl stencils would have a hard time conforming to any texture in fabric. Nice try...

You may have to fly the kite naked  ;)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 19, 2013, 07:41 PM
Screening does have it's advantages...

I would think vinyl stencils would have a hard time conforming to any texture in fabric. Nice try...

You may have to fly the kite naked  ;)


Naked flight appears to be the case, but I have one more option to investigate.  I didn't know this stuff existed and most vinyl shops advised their product was only good for cottons and refused to heat press ripstop.  I have the vinyl company ordering ripstop nylon specific Cad-Cut Gorilla Grip heat transfer vinyl to cut the logo onto that material and heat press it on.  I think the sail should handle 350F?  I thought ripstop could handle a bit over 400F

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/GorillaGrip.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on March 20, 2013, 04:08 AM
I would not risk heat transfer on a vintage sail.
Fly and enjoy the kite as it is, don't take the risk of ruining it by putting a cherry on top.
To me, the risk far outweighs the benefit.

I remember a friend who got obsessed with a safety sticker that was on the wing of his new kite. He thought the sticker upset the kite's balance and was determined to "fix" it.

He peeled the sticker off, but there was a glue residue left.
He tried various solvents to get the residue off, but ended up staining the sail.
He was never happy with the kite again.

I say this with respect, but you will only get one chance to do it right.
Is it worth the risk to you?
I will admit to chuckling when seeing someone flying a new Flexifoil that still has its paper safety tag in place...and then the look of horror of the new owner when the tag rips off in flight


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 20, 2013, 11:50 AM
I would not risk heat transfer on a vintage sail.
Fly and enjoy the kite as it is, don't take the risk of ruining it by putting a cherry on top.
To me, the risk far outweighs the benefit.

I remember a friend who got obsessed with a safety sticker that was on the wing of his new kite. He thought the sticker upset the kite's balance and was determined to "fix" it.

He peeled the sticker off, but there was a glue residue left.
He tried various solvents to get the residue off, but ended up staining the sail.
He was never happy with the kite again.

I say this with respect, but you will only get one chance to do it right.
Is it worth the risk to you?

I agree 100%... no offense taken.  :)

I feel the same way, that is why I've used swatches of ripstop nylon to test and I've continued to post my story of this restoration on GWTWforum.com to get as many honest opinions of veteran fliers like yourself.  This will likely be my last attempt and if it doesn't look good enough or possibly even causes surface markings on the test material, at that point the kite would stay naked the remainder of its existance.  It still retains the safety tag that contains the company name on the lower left section of the sail and the upper spreader itself has the Spectra logo.  It will have to suffice.

To compensate I just purchased a nice certified pre-owned Reactor for another restoration project.  This time I will be more careful with the washing of the sail! ;)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on March 21, 2013, 12:41 AM
Ugh don't heat transfer onto that sail.  If you want to use paint you need to do it in very light coats to prevent the bleeding and use some removable silicone fabric glue to hold the stencil down and help seal gaps between the stencil and fabric texture.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 21, 2013, 03:42 PM
Is there a used "Spectra Sport Kite" lot in your neighborhood?   ;)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: thief on March 21, 2013, 06:03 PM
Is there a used "Spectra Sport Kite" lot in your neighborhood?   ;)
i know where there is one ;)
Spectra Sports should be getting a new kite for his bag tomorrow!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 21, 2013, 06:29 PM
Is there a used "Spectra Sport Kite" lot in your neighborhood?   ;)


Actually the used kite lot is around my "old" neighborhood! :)


i know where there is one ;)
Spectra Sports should be getting a new kite for his bag tomorrow!


Yes! Quite excited about reliving more of my past with this next kite.  I already have all the connectors ordered and in route.  I'm also going to try and grab one of each model to make one set of kites if thief is able to hold on to the ones he has long enough for me to buy them and hopefully grab 1 or 2 kites each month.


I also decided to at least have a couple T-Shirts made in memory of the dead brand name... I found some old logos and used those color schemes.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/logo33.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/CleanLogoforTshirt2.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/3874.gif)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/CleanLogoforTshirt1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 23, 2013, 12:02 PM
Yesterday I received my next Nuke restoration project in the mail! 

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_14-28-31_686.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_14-28-43_198.jpg)

I knew exactly what I needed to order as far as repair parts so that was placed as soon as the purchase had been completed.  Parts are coming in this afternoon via USPS and I should have it in the air later this afternoon.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_14-31-42_891.jpg)

I took the time to hand wash the sail and remove all the stains from the deteriorated connectors.  Some of that glue like material sadly damaged small areas of the logo.  :'( 

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_14-31-58_302.jpg)

I machine washed the bridle to a crisp white and used 3M Adhesive Remover, with a mild soap wash afterwards, to clean every tube to new like condition.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_14-32-19_149.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-22_18-46-27_411.jpg)


***3:40 PM EST ***

USPS delivers parts ordered.

I  assembled the airframe with the new connectors.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-42-16_279.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-42-32_463.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-42-38_569.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-42-44_889.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-42-51_723.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-43-22_178.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-23_16-43-52_649.jpg)

 


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 24, 2013, 10:24 AM
Took the Team UpRoar Nuclear out for some flight time.  Winds were excellent this morning but sadly not even 2 minutes into its flight the lower spreader snapped and I had to land it quickly.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-24_13-13-34_727.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-24_13-12-39_772.jpg)

If anyone can please spare a 7P Sky Shark tube I would be most appreciative.  Please PM me with pricing and shipping or post in thread.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 24, 2013, 04:24 PM
Dang!!!  :-[  And no signs of wear when you cleaned 'um? Guess you've gotta take it easy when you restart those "Reactors"...

By the way, are you serious about working up a t-shirt?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Ca Ike on March 24, 2013, 05:18 PM
I might have some extra 7p but I'll have to look.  YOU can ferrule that spreader back together though.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 24, 2013, 05:18 PM
Dang!!!  :-[  And no signs of wear when you cleaned 'um? Guess you've gotta take it easy when you restart those "Reactors"...

Actually, this spar appeared surface deformed where the old molded stopper was.  This is the same area where a stress point is created when the tube is inserted into the aluminum outer ferrule at the Center-T.  Apparently that was enough surface weakness to permit the break.  

I tried to ferrule reinforce the broken spar and it actually worked for a little while.  I was actually having a great time with my oldest son trying to do some "TEAM FLYING" before the repaired area broke again this time splitting the tube in half about 8 inches into the tube.

I'm hoping I can get a 7P replacement.  If not I'll have to temporarily swap in 8Ps for the lower spreaders.  They weigh 2.5 grams more each but carry the same exact dimensions with better, more modern manufacturing.  I really was having a great time with my sons flying... I'm thinking I need to just retire the oldies and go buy a couple new kites where parts are readily available.  Restoring kites the past months has been really fun, but flying with my kids today was truly incredible.

By the way, are you serious about working up a t-shirt?

Yes, I actually already turned in the .ai file to the vinyl print shop and just need to place the quantity I wanted.  I'm thinking of getting a white shirt for the first logo and grey for the second logo to mirror the background colors of the originals


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 24, 2013, 05:19 PM
I might have some extra 7p but I'll have to look.  YOU can ferrule that spreader back together though.


I tried to ferrule repair the tube but with no luck.  It worked for a while but sadly it failed again.  The tube was just weak all around that area after the initial fracture.  I had seen hairline cracks in the tube after the initial fracture, but was still hoping the epoxy would hold it together.  If you had a 7P I can't explain how happy that would make me! :)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-24_20-21-20_826.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: white wing lover on March 24, 2013, 06:21 PM
Hmmm, would the 5 extra grams of the 8p rods make a notable difference in the flight of this kite? I like the idea of you and your oldest doing a pairs routine "old school"  8)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 24, 2013, 06:29 PM
Hmmm, would the 5 extra grams of the 8p rods make a notable difference in the flight of this kite? I like the idea of you and your oldest doing a pairs routine "old school"  8)

Yeah, I started to realize its 2.5g x 2.  I may need to pull the 7P from the spine and use that as the replacement.  Then I could insert an 8P as the spine only increasing the center weight by 2.5 grams or build an entirely new spine in 7PT and actually lose 3-4 grams and about $50 in materials and shipping.  I'm just hoping I can find a replacement 7P.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on March 26, 2013, 06:27 PM
Well I have always taken the word that a 7P weighs 25 grams.  I decide to grab my scale and weigh the 7Ps I had with the painted logos and at 32 in. it weighs on average .724 oz.  That's only 20.5 grams... wow I was way off thinking an 8P tube was not too far off in weight.  The 8P is .994 oz. which is an incredible 28.2 grams.  I tried to measure the older 7Ps with the green rings and those weighed .745-.754 oz.  which was 21.1 - 21.4 grams each.  So caution if the assumption that 7Ps and 8Ps are close in specs... 8Ps are tanks!

Since a P2X matches the 5P tubes I think Sky Shark needs to create P5X/P6X tubes that match closer to the dimensions and weight of the 7P!   ;)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/SkySharkP-X.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: rob103 on April 09, 2013, 08:21 AM
Ok, so I followed this thread with interest for a while now because in the very bottom of my "b" bag is an earlier version of this kite. Bought years ago and never flown ( by me) it's pretty well used , I did get it out to see if my logo was clean enough to do what you wanted, mine has turned pink. Any how I pulled it out sunday in high (17-23)mph gusty winds. Still havent got the grin off my face! Big, Loud,  obnoxious, and a ridiculous amout of fun. Pulled me all overthe field and even survived a few learning crashes teaching my son in law to fly. I think it will be moving to the a bag as soon as I see if it will fly in our normal 3-5 mph inland wind


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on April 09, 2013, 01:52 PM
I did get the logo transfered to a sail, well at least sail material and it looked good.  I'm actually still waiting on a manufacturer to provide the vinyl shop a type of press vinyl that has the thickness and texture of screen print paints in a off white to match the age of the sail.  Sadly here in Orlando, FL the inland wind comes and goes constantly.  To fly in 3-5 winds you will definitely need to have at least an entire 5P frame and most likely even 3P LEs.  The kite is obnoxious when it gets over 15mph but loads of fun.  Its like the Harley Davidson of kites.   :D

I did forget to post the images of thief's Team Uproar Nuke that I purchased and rebuilt but had unfortunately snapped a 7P lower spreader literally at take off.  The new tubes were received after hunting for a bit and she went back to flying again.  Of course it was 7mph winds max. and I was using 150# line.   :-X

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-24_17-02-31_319.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-24_17-03-09_561.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-03-24_17-02-42_744.jpg)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: coop on April 09, 2013, 02:05 PM
Been watching this thread.
Of all the vintage kites I fly, I have never flown one of these.
Any similarity to an NSR?


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on April 09, 2013, 02:46 PM
Been watching this thread.
Of all the vintage kites I fly, I have never flown one of these.
Any similarity to an NSR?

I would say they were a lot like the TOTL NSR excluding the visible winglets on the Reactors.  Here is an excerpt about the NSR and quite honestly it's almost a word for word on how I would describe the Reactors.  Especially the Nuke in strong winds.

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The NSR was a monster of a kite when it was first introduced. It was designed for competition and had a very aggressive sail design that produced quite an impressive amount of pull when the sail got loaded up. Another fun characteristic of this kite was that it produces a very low, Harley type thunder sound as it flies through the window. Old school kites all have one thing in common - they are FUN TO FLY!!! With some aggressive flying you could snap off perfectly sharp 90 degree turns and loud thundering figure 8's - this kite loved to be flown aggressivly. The flight characteristics are a somewhat slow, smooth and very solid feel through the lines, super stable, not ďpitchyĒ at all, in fact this particular kite is rather difficult to trick with and is about impossible to do any of todayís new school tricks on. It can axle (with some work) and side slide, snap stalls are solid and perfectly square....but thatís about it folks! LOL.


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Allen Carter on April 09, 2013, 03:00 PM
One of the big differences between a Reactor and a NSR is trickability.

The Reactor is more pitchy, so it goes under for flick flacks and fades and 540s easier. Nice axles. The standard weight "Pro" is best at this kind of thing. More well balanced. The 3P framed Lite is a bit harder to spin. The Nuke is sort of out of balance, with the heavy lower spreaders, but it's not bad. Of course the designer had no intention of balancing the kites for tricks. They were made to be World Cup level team kites.

I love these kites.  :)


Title: Re: Spectra Sports Nuclear Reactor Restoration Help!
Post by: Lou on April 10, 2013, 06:45 AM
Don't forget to send that info on your Reactor Pro Allen, I'm very interested!   :P