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Title: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 06:42 PM
Okay, I just HAD to start a new topic after searching for women on the forum and realizing there seriously are none. Why not!?  ???  No, seriously, I need to hear your opinions on this.
I personally am new to kiting and kite building, I haven't participated in any events, but from what I can see here and on other kiting forums and sites, pictures and videos, the only women with kites are the kite builders wives, girlfriends or family members. Either way a man seems always responsible for getting a woman start kiting.

Here's why I'm puzzled, I'm a 26 year old girl (and I didn't get influenced by a man, I just thought this would be fun and googled kite building), and obviously I personally think kites are cool, and when it comes to kite building, it seems like women could (and dear alpha males, don't get offended now) be as good as guys at it, as it involves sewing, playing with shapes and colors and such. I get the "aviation" point of it, which might get some women nervous, not knowing how it stays up there, but I mean come on... They are beautiful, even cute, definitely fun, and not all of them are that hard to make, you could even make it a family activity, so even if you don't want to run around learning tricks, there's still a lot to gain.
So what am I missing? Can I expect to see any women involved anywhere if I do go to an event somewhere (anywhere)? Especially when it comes to trick kiting?

If there is a female being out there on this forum, let me know I'm not alone! :)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 07:04 PM
We are fortunate enough to have several very good local fliers that are women.
There are a few women flying dual line kites, but with Revolutions you see a good number of women team/group flying, too.

Oh thank God! So I do dare to join an event someday, I won't be the odd one! :)

Yet the question remains, why is there such a small percentage of women in the kiting community as a whole, that it doesn't even show on the internet that there are any, at least on the first or even the second glance? Why is kiting so unpopular among women? And it seems that if a girl/woman shows interest, guys seem to be all blown away. Or in my case when I asked around, my male friends thought I'm just nuts for being interested, hence me being afraid of being the odd one. It doesn't exactly invite more women to join when it is so male dominant, not that it's anybody's fault. :) Just wondering.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 07:12 PM
Acually, I realize you might not even know, so ask your wives, daughters etc, why they don't like kiting. I'd love to hear their answers.  ;D


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Jynx on March 10, 2013, 07:28 PM
Hey!!! ...I'm here!  :)

Male dominated sport? ...Maybe... BUT, that's a plus!  :D

Have a WINDerFULL Time! ...and just do your thang!   ;D


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 07:38 PM
Hey!!! ...I'm here!  :)

Male dominated sport? ...Maybe... BUT, that's a plus!  :D

Have a WINDerFULL Time! ...and just do your thang!   ;D

Oh, hi there! And we got proof that there are women involved! I love it! :D

I definitely agree it's a plus, but what I meant is that for some girls it might be rather intimidating to join the community if there are so few women. But I'm not talking about overthrowing the guys from the throne of their "kitedom", I'd rather keep it so there are more men per women ;) but it would be nice if there was enough women for strangers to feel welcome. Or is this one of those "guy things" that women shouldn't touch, boys' time and all that...?


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Ca Ike on March 10, 2013, 07:46 PM
There are quite a few women that fly but overall is mostly men.  It seems there is a greater amount of women fliers here in the states than overseas though.  Maybe Jynx can explain it but I also see more women gravitating toward revs or other quads than duals.  Still there are more women team fliers than people realize.  You have Jeanette Lumas of team too much fun that flies with her husband Mark, Lolli Hadzecki (SP?) that owns revolution kites along with her husband and is a top flier, Lynn and Jim thats another husband/wife pairs team and theres even a woman on team Iquad.  We also have a few women that join in our local fly here in ripon, Ca.

As for Women in your area the one that can answer that the best would be Zippy since he is also in finland IIRC and has been involved with a lot of the events over there.  YOu might try going on fractured axel which is the UK kiting forum and looking for people close to you there but son't leave here.  New fliers from anywhere are always welcome :)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 07:53 PM
There are quite a few women that fly but overall is mostly men.  It seems there is a greater amount of women fliers here in the states than overseas though.  Maybe Jynx can explain it but I also see more women gravitating toward revs or other quads than duals.  Still there are more women team fliers than people realize.  You have Jeanette Lumas of team too much fun that flies with her husband Mark, Lolli Hadzecki (SP?) that owns revolution kites along with her husband and is a top flier, Lynn and Jim thats another husband/wife pairs team and theres even a woman on team Iquad.  We also have a few women that join in our local fly here in ripon, Ca.

As for Women in your area the one that can answer that the best would be Zippy since he is also in finland IIRC and has been involved with a lot of the events over there.  YOu might try going on fractured axel which is the UK kiting forum and looking for people close to you there but son't leave here.  New fliers from anywhere are always welcome :)

I realize this isn't the best forum for someone from Finland. I've already registered over there too, but their women related posts seem to turn into, umh.. not that suitable for women to get involved (search the word "women" on that one, you'll see what I mean :D), thus far I've enjoyed this one more and felt I'd get more appropriate replies for my question here.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: boomertype on March 10, 2013, 08:58 PM
We are glad you are here!  Hope you can find the information you need, feel free to ask!


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Ca Ike on March 10, 2013, 09:22 PM
There are quite a few women that fly but overall is mostly men.  It seems there is a greater amount of women fliers here in the states than overseas though.  Maybe Jynx can explain it but I also see more women gravitating toward revs or other quads than duals.  Still there are more women team fliers than people realize.  You have Jeanette Lumas of team too much fun that flies with her husband Mark, Lolli Hadzecki (SP?) that owns revolution kites along with her husband and is a top flier, Lynn and Jim thats another husband/wife pairs team and theres even a woman on team Iquad.  We also have a few women that join in our local fly here in ripon, Ca.

As for Women in your area the one that can answer that the best would be Zippy since he is also in finland IIRC and has been involved with a lot of the events over there.  YOu might try going on fractured axel which is the UK kiting forum and looking for people close to you there but son't leave here.  New fliers from anywhere are always welcome :)

I realize this isn't the best forum for someone from Finland. I've already registered over there too, but their women related posts seem to turn into, umh.. not that suitable for women to get involved (search the word "women" on that one, you'll see what I mean :D), thus far I've enjoyed this one more and felt I'd get more appropriate replies for my question here.
Yea there is, well.... lets just say a different attitude toward women fliers over there :P  There are some good people on that forum though.  In my experience some of the best people both shops, builders and fliers all come to this forum from all over the world and even though we can't fly in person were more than happy to help if we can.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 09:46 PM
We are glad you are here!  Hope you can find the information you need, feel free to ask!

Thank you, I'm sure I will!

There are quite a few women that fly but overall is mostly men.  It seems there is a greater amount of women fliers here in the states than overseas though.  Maybe Jynx can explain it but I also see more women gravitating toward revs or other quads than duals.  Still there are more women team fliers than people realize.  You have Jeanette Lumas of team too much fun that flies with her husband Mark, Lolli Hadzecki (SP?) that owns revolution kites along with her husband and is a top flier, Lynn and Jim thats another husband/wife pairs team and theres even a woman on team Iquad.  We also have a few women that join in our local fly here in ripon, Ca.

As for Women in your area the one that can answer that the best would be Zippy since he is also in finland IIRC and has been involved with a lot of the events over there.  YOu might try going on fractured axel which is the UK kiting forum and looking for people close to you there but son't leave here.  New fliers from anywhere are always welcome :)

I realize this isn't the best forum for someone from Finland. I've already registered over there too, but their women related posts seem to turn into, umh.. not that suitable for women to get involved (search the word "women" on that one, you'll see what I mean :D), thus far I've enjoyed this one more and felt I'd get more appropriate replies for my question here.
Yea there is, well.... lets just say a different attitude toward women fliers over there :P  There are some good people on that forum though.  In my experience some of the best people both shops, builders and fliers all come to this forum from all over the world and even though we can't fly in person were more than happy to help if we can.

Who says I'll never travel? You never know, I might even move to the States one day! Til then, I shall get on your nerves with all sorts of questions, I promise. After all I can't even find a forum for the Finnish kite club, and they seem to have events only once a year or two, most of them not even in Finland, so I can't exactly bother many Finnish kite lovers either...


Title: Re: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: cerfvoliste on March 10, 2013, 10:31 PM
I have dreamed about meeting a women that shares my passion for kiting... But it is "the impossible dream."

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Title: Re: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 10, 2013, 10:43 PM
I have dreamed about meeting a women that shares my passion for kiting... But it is "the impossible dream."

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Maybe I'm too young to understand why any dream should be impossible... All I know is you should never give up. :)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: HiFly on March 11, 2013, 01:05 AM
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Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Flying Fish on March 11, 2013, 03:25 AM
My wife Irma and I are flying as a pair (http://flyingfishkites.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/flying-fishs-first-routine.html) and as part of a team, and she didn't take up flying because of me; we got into it together. Have to say that we don't meet many other female multi-line flyers at festivals in the UK. There's a very small handful; most of the female flyers/builders we meet are into single-liners.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: thief on March 11, 2013, 04:37 AM
As for Women in your area the one that can answer that the best would be Zippy since he is also in finland IIRC and has been involved with a lot of the events over there.  
There are events in Finland???? gotta remember that Zippy spends a bit of time at sea so maybe he misses them ;)


Honestly, my wife will come out and fly with me....but then gets bored after about 12 minutes and go and hangs out under the sun shelter reading.....
There are MANY women involved in the kite world, i feel that a bit of them end up being more in support roles than anything.....but there are i would say just as many female kite makers out there as male makers.....


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: photomom on March 11, 2013, 05:48 AM
Excuse me!  (Holding up my hand and waving a little.)  I believe I fall into the category of "women".  My husband and I started flying together at our local festival.  I do fly Revs, now, but for years I flew stacks of Trlbys and Hyperkites.  My longest is a stack of nine.  I like the dual line kites.  Especially the older, slower ones.
 
I'm also a kite builder.  And, at our local workshops, there are about the same number women as men.

I will say that I am usually the only woman regularly on our flying field.  And I am treated like "one of the guys".  I can't answer your question as to why there aren't more women.  But I flying and being visible and showing that women do fly kites.  Single line, dual line and quad line.

kjm


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: mikenchico on March 11, 2013, 08:17 AM
My wife Rhonda (Kitegirl (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12)) is involved, she's sometimes more ambitious then myself, but she doesn't participate a lot on the forum. She was brought in via me though. Madhabitz (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2752) has been very active here on the forum for a couple years, I haven't had the pleasure of getting to meet her yet so I don't know how she got involved. There are a few others I recall but the balance is weighted toward males.



Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 11, 2013, 08:20 AM
I'm truly relieved to hear that. I feel so much more at ease. :)

As for Women in your area the one that can answer that the best would be Zippy since he is also in finland IIRC and has been involved with a lot of the events over there.  
There are events in Finland???? gotta remember that Zippy spends a bit of time at sea so maybe he misses them ;)


And thief, there supposedly are some events.  ???  I've actually never seen one, and the active part of our kite club seems to consist of like.. maybe... 3 people? And they tend to travel elsewhere. At least that's what I assume after browsing their photos:
http://www.leijaseura.fi/index.php?option=com_weblinks&view=category&id=40%3Akuvat-ja-videot&Itemid=65 (http://www.leijaseura.fi/index.php?option=com_weblinks&view=category&id=40%3Akuvat-ja-videot&Itemid=65)

Kuwait, Pärnu, Fano, Al-Farsi, those aren't exactly in Finland...

I gotta say, during the time I've lived in Helsinki, I've never seen a kite even though we have lots of beaches and parks.  ::) And guess how hard it is to find kite materials locally... Weirdly enough we got several shops that sell all kinds of miniature planes and helicopters and their parts but only "kite part" I've found locally are some cheap carbon rods and very thick ripstop in two(!) colors (orange and some weird children's design with flowers and weird little characters ???). And the only kite shop in Finland sells only factory made kites, no parts!

So my frustration goes so much further than just not seeing women kiters, as I've actually seen none at all.  :'(


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Ca Ike on March 11, 2013, 08:41 AM
OUr host Steve here can get you anything you need and is willing to ship overseas as are most of the sponsors on the right.  Unfortunately other than kite surfing it doesn't seem kiting is very big in finland at all so your going to have to mail order most likely.  If your local shop carries , prism, flying wings, HQ or premier then at least you have the good factory kites available.


Title: Re: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: madhabitz on March 11, 2013, 08:41 AM
Hmmmm.... I've never felt the men/women division you seem to be experiencing, but I don't seem to feel the militancy you feel. The only division I've seen are those with skills and those who don't have them yet.... and a ton of generousity (and welcome) on the part of those who do have skillz, helping those who don't. It's all good.

Nancy


Title: Re: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 11, 2013, 08:47 AM
Hmmmm.... I've never felt the men/women division you seem to be experiencing, but I don't seem to feel the militancy you feel. The only division I've seen are those with skills and those who don't have them yet.... and a ton of generousity (and welcome) on the part of those who do have skillz, helping those who don't. It's all good.

Nancy

Obviously I need to move to the States then. :D


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: thief on March 11, 2013, 08:58 AM
i do think that the appeal of dual line trick flying is MUCH lower in women than men.....


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 11, 2013, 09:10 AM
OUr host Steve here can get you anything you need and is willing to ship overseas as are most of the sponsors on the right.  Unfortunately other than kite surfing it doesn't seem kiting is very big in finland at all so your going to have to mail order most likely.  If your local shop carries , prism, flying wings, HQ or premier then at least you have the good factory kites available.


We seem to have some HQs... but only the lower price range models, up to Jive II...
http://leijapojat.valmiskauppa.fi/taitoleijat-c-25.html (http://leijapojat.valmiskauppa.fi/taitoleijat-c-25.html)

Maybe I should just start my own kite shop (one may dream)... This is the exact reason why I wanted to build my own.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Jim Foster on March 11, 2013, 09:59 AM
Mayfirst....

At Kite Party in Hunting Beach this past weekend there were many.  In looking around the field, I don't think I saw any groups of four or more fliers without at least one lady flier.  I can think of at least three lady fliers who have attended Kite Party in the past who, who what ever reason, could not make it this year.

Sunday there was a "Lady Fly" Rev demo in which seven flew, did a great job, and that line of ladies had never flown together until that moment.

We all love the lady fliers.



Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Allen Carter on March 11, 2013, 11:25 AM
Most any kind of Internet Forum, even for some traditionally "female" hobbies, tends to appeal to men more than women. Certainly the case here. While I'd put female participation in kiting as high as 1/3 in some areas (all inclusive, not just sport kites), it's way less than 10% on the Internet. Many of the women kiters I know have much more varied interests than your average dual line guy. Donna (AhMayzon here on the Forum) is a good example. She's a great dual and quad flyer but also an award winning kite designer and maker. She's been heavily involved in local clubs and competitions. And she has a very busy career. Not surprising she doesn't spend a lot of time hanging around here.  :)

(sorry I missed our annual "date" last weekend, Donna!)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Steve Hall on March 11, 2013, 11:48 AM
Chris doesn't fly very much anymore due to health reasons, but yes there are some women that fly sport kites

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Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Ara Ararauna on March 11, 2013, 11:59 AM
Welcome Mayfirst,

You should have posted this last Friday (March 8 ) which was the international women's day  :)

Kidding apart, I empathise with you in the loneliness.
Despite being supposedly in a country with good weather and with loads of outdoors activities, kite-flying has gone down to a minimum in Barcelona and surroundings.
It has taken me one year to start meeting a few people that are the "leftovers" from the 1990's and 2000's kiting fever and to be able to get into a club. Mind you, a club with 5 people and whose headquarters are 100Km south of Barcelona.

So as madhabitz (Nancy) puts it, forget about the male/female divide, get into the group and feel the initial divide of unskilled vs skilled but let you be taken by the hand of the skilled to start learning a lot. That's what I'm doing and I am indeed learning a lot.

Cheers!


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: red sweater on March 11, 2013, 12:27 PM
Chris doesn't fly very much anymore due to health reasons, but yes there are some women that fly sport kites

Some good-natured ribbing in that image name. Right? ;)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Tmadz on March 11, 2013, 01:36 PM
I haven't noted any division between women and men fliers. Since kiting is such a small community everyone I've met welcomes a new flier regardless of gender. Yes, there are fewer women flier. Why? I have no idea, but I know that I just enjoy it and being outdoors. I would hope more people take it up as a hobby/sport, but it does require a dedication of time. There is nothing more variable than wind.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Allen Carter on March 11, 2013, 01:44 PM
Some good-natured ribbing in that image name. Right? ;)

Back in the day there were entire web sites devoted to the concept of "flail" (OK, maybe just one page on one web site).

On the old GWTW forum, back in the Dawn of Forum Time, flail morphed from a derogatory descriptor to a badge of honor. At least among those who really flailed.

"Flail Like You Mean It"

and

"Sometimes you Flail like a Nut"

were seen in the Signature line.


Just a bit of nostalgia.  ::)



Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: dayhiker on March 11, 2013, 06:14 PM
I too am isolated from others in the kite world.  I have never seen anyone fly a Rev but me.  Even while at the beach (350 miles away) I usually have only seen kites in the distance.  I have met one time with a flyer who lives 98 miles distant.  He noticed me posting & contacted me through the PM system of this forum.  Thank you GWTW.  My thought is to attract local people to the fun so I'll have others to fly with some day.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Ca Ike on March 11, 2013, 11:29 PM
I too am isolated from others in the kite world.  I have never seen anyone fly a Rev but me.  Even while at the beach (350 miles away) I usually have only seen kites in the distance.  I have met one time with a flyer who lives 98 miles distant.  He noticed me posting & contacted me through the PM system of this forum.  Thank you GWTW.  My thought is to attract local people to the fun so I'll have others to fly with some day.
Best thing you can do if you see someone out with a kite of any kind or even just an onlooker is stop and go introduce yourself and offer to fly with them.  We average 1-3 new contacts a month in ripon and out of those get at least one new person interested in learning more or at least coming back to watch and picnic with us.  I'm working on a flyer to post up at some of the local hobby and outdoor shops as well to garner more interest in the fun fly.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: mikenchico on March 12, 2013, 07:46 AM

Maybe I should just start my own kite shop (one may dream)... This is the exact reason why I wanted to build my own.

Why not? Others have done so in order to fill a void. A Brick & Mortar store may not be an immediate option but why not an internet store? I don't know what sort import taxes you have on items ordered outside the country, but if they are high like much of Europe you might find enough demand to make it worthwhile to set aside a bit of space and time. As a small business resaler would you avoid some of those import fees? If so you might make a few bucks, nobody gets rich in the kite business but many people do a little selling on the side in order to fund their addiction/hobby.



Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 12, 2013, 09:43 AM

Maybe I should just start my own kite shop (one may dream)... This is the exact reason why I wanted to build my own.

Why not? Others have done so in order to fill a void. A Brick & Mortar store may not be an immediate option but why not an internet store? I don't know what sort import taxes you have on items ordered outside the country, but if they are high like much of Europe you might find enough demand to make it worthwhile to set aside a bit of space and time. As a small business resaler would you avoid some of those import fees? If so you might make a few bucks, nobody gets rich in the kite business but many people do a little selling on the side in order to fund their addiction/hobby.



I did give this a lot of thought actually, but I personally am not in a position to start my own company. I don't have the know-how, even though I have the time. I lost my job a year ago but I can hardly pay for my own hobbies, not to mention stock items for selling purposes. However I do plan on contacting the existing hobby stores and ask them to expand, but I don't have high hopes because the demand in Finland seems to be so tiny. Perfect catch-22, I'm sure there would be more demand if there was a local (internet) store, but without the demand I don't think anyone dares to try. :)


Title: Re: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: madhabitz on March 12, 2013, 10:05 AM
Create the interest. Hobby stores are great but what about toy stores? Here in Northern California they even sell kites in the supermarkets- colorful, easy-to-fly single-line kites. It's just one step from kiddy flying these kites to hooking mom and/or dad into dual line kites.

Hold fun flys. Get the cooperation of your parks department (if there is one where you live). Hang flyers, send press releases, write an article and get it published. Is there a version of Craig's List in Finland?

I should send my flying buddy Steve Spooner to Finland- he's like a pied piper and you would have new flyers in no time.

Nancy


Title: Re: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 12, 2013, 11:09 AM
Create the interest. Hobby stores are great but what about toy stores? Here in Northern California they even sell kites in the supermarkets- colorful, easy-to-fly single-line kites. It's just one step from kiddy flying these kites to hooking mom and/or dad into dual line kites.

Hold fun flys. Get the cooperation of your parks department (if there is one where you live). Hang flyers, send press releases, write an article and get it published. Is there a version of Craig's List in Finland?

I should send my flying buddy Steve Spooner to Finland- he's like a pied piper and you would have new flyers in no time.

Nancy

There are some seriously poorly made kites available in supermarkets but those are the kind that even an experienced kiter can't get up in the air.  ::)
And of course we have park departments, "Graig's lists" and all that stuff, we're not exactly a third world country in general, only when it comes to kites. ;) But I think flyers are banned as it's considered littering...

I'm not experienced enough to write my own articles, just saying it's fun won't be enough when I won't be able to answer technical questions. There's been one article in some newspaper once but honestly, it alone wouldn't have gotten me interested either, they just explained the time consumption and how creative you need to be to create huge colorful things that cover the sun and how many people you need to just get it up and back down. It had a short video interview included where they showed only one trick kite for maybe 5 seconds and even that was just going in basic circles. Not exactly showing their "true colors" just with that..

I think probably the biggest misunderstanding in Finland with kites is that you can't fly them in winter and we have such short summers that people have already so much planned for their summer time that new hobbies don't come across their minds. Just guessing here.

I'll do what I can to "infect" others, but first I have to learn to fly trick kites myself. :D


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 12, 2013, 11:24 AM
Just wanted to give you an example of your kite culture, these pictures are from the latest event which was on mother's day two years ago.
http://simos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/leija/%C3%A4itienp%C3%A4iv%C3%A4+-+suomenlinna+2011/ (http://simos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/leija/%C3%A4itienp%C3%A4iv%C3%A4+-+suomenlinna+2011/)
See any duals or quads? Yeah, me neither.
Might seem like a lot of people, but that place is a popular picnic place (it's actually an island with some castle ruins outside Helsinki, our capital, popular tourist destination as well), so most of them seem to be just observers. There's maybe 3 people from Finland that have actually made or bought those kites, rest are their family, friends, foreigners and observers.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Ara Ararauna on March 12, 2013, 11:44 AM
Just wanted to give you an example of your kite culture, these pictures are from the latest event which was on mother's day two years ago.
[url]http://simos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/leija/%C3%A4itienp%C3%A4iv%C3%A4+-+suomenlinna+2011/[/url] ([url]http://simos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/leija/%C3%A4itienp%C3%A4iv%C3%A4+-+suomenlinna+2011/[/url])
See any duals or quads? Yeah, me neither.
Might seem like a lot of people, but that place is a popular picnic place (it's actually an island with some castle ruins outside Helsinki, our capital, popular tourist destination as well), so most of them seem to be just observers. There's maybe 3 people from Finland that have actually made or bought those kites, rest are their family, friends, foreigners and observers.


Gee but the set-up looks so nice!
And the pictures are incredible! Who took them? You?

That should surely call the attention of people!
It is a good start!

Tell us when the next is up and we'll go with our trick kites to support you  ;)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 12, 2013, 11:56 AM
Just wanted to give you an example of your kite culture, these pictures are from the latest event which was on mother's day two years ago.
[url]http://simos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/leija/%C3%A4itienp%C3%A4iv%C3%A4+-+suomenlinna+2011/[/url] ([url]http://simos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/leija/%C3%A4itienp%C3%A4iv%C3%A4+-+suomenlinna+2011/[/url])
See any duals or quads? Yeah, me neither.
Might seem like a lot of people, but that place is a popular picnic place (it's actually an island with some castle ruins outside Helsinki, our capital, popular tourist destination as well), so most of them seem to be just observers. There's maybe 3 people from Finland that have actually made or bought those kites, rest are their family, friends, foreigners and observers.


Gee but the set-up looks so nice!
And the pictures are incredible! Who took them? You?

That should surely call the attention of people!
It is a good start!

Tell us when the next is up and we'll go with our trick kites to support you  ;)



I'd love that! :D But currently they have no events planned, and like I said, that one was two years ago. Gotta ask what's up with that. I missed that event, simply wasn't aware of it at the time.

Those pics were taken by Simo Sivonen, I don't know him personally, but I think he runs the kite club.

Edit: And the fact remains, that is an island. Only those who've gone there can see them, so there's not a lot of publicity. As I mentioned earlier, I've never seen a kite in Helsinki, yet I live right by the ocean and I walk my dog near some of the best locations for kiting every day.


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: mikenchico on March 12, 2013, 11:00 PM
One of our forum moderators Mike Emery ( Zippy8 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=33) ) is stationed up in Vihtavuori, Finland. I'd encourage you to send him a PM, if anybody knows of any kiting activities in your area I think Mike would.

If you can swing it when you're flying you could stake out a colorful single line kite or two. Not everybody gets the sport kite thing and some even see them as a little threatening with the speed and noise. But most everybody enjoys a colorful kite floating on the breeze. You'll be sure to get some people stop by to say hi and voice their appreciation and often an interest. One person is a curiosity, two people are a group, three people start looking like a movement (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J14OIiTL-C0). You just have to plant that seed.



Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: Mayfirst on March 13, 2013, 01:50 AM
One of our forum moderators Mike Emery ( Zippy8 ([url]http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=33[/url]) ) is stationed up in Vihtavuori, Finland. I'd encourage you to send him a PM, if anybody knows of any kiting activities in your area I think Mike would.

If you can swing it when you're flying you could stake out a colorful single line kite or two. Not everybody gets the sport kite thing and some even see them as a little threatening with the speed and noise. But most everybody enjoys a colorful kite floating on the breeze. You'll be sure to get some people stop by to say hi and voice their appreciation and often an interest. One person is a curiosity, two people are a group, three people start looking like a movement ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J14OIiTL-C0[/url]). You just have to plant that seed.




I'm sure I'll have more than just one kite by the time the snow melts and people start coming back to the beaches.  ;D And regarding Zippy, I've been waiting for him to join in on the conversation, but I guess he's been busy. Vihtavuori isn't exactly in my neck of the woods but who knows, maybe he does know! Fingers crossed.

PS. Love the video! :D


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: mikenchico on March 13, 2013, 05:26 PM
Mike E is very active or aware of kiting everywheer, he ran virtual freestyle for awhile and I think was very active in Tricks Party, plus active on many of the Euro forums.

I thought the video illistrated my point, been waiting awhile to get an opening to throw it out there



Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: thief on March 13, 2013, 05:40 PM
One of our forum moderators Mike Emery ( Zippy8 ([url]http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=33[/url]) ) is stationed up in Vihtavuori, Finland. I'd encourage you to send him a PM, if anybody knows of any kiting activities in your area I think Mike would.

If you can swing it when you're flying you could stake out a colorful single line kite or two. Not everybody gets the sport kite thing and some even see them as a little threatening with the speed and noise. But most everybody enjoys a colorful kite floating on the breeze. You'll be sure to get some people stop by to say hi and voice their appreciation and often an interest. One person is a curiosity, two people are a group, three people start looking like a movement ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J14OIiTL-C0[/url]). You just have to plant that seed.




I'm sure I'll have more than just one kite by the time the snow melts and people start coming back to the beaches.  ;D And regarding Zippy, I've been waiting for him to join in on the conversation, but I guess he's been busy. Vihtavuori isn't exactly in my neck of the woods but who knows, maybe he does know! Fingers crossed.

PS. Love the video! :D

i think that i saw on the FB that he is in france right now???? might be traveling....


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: thief on May 13, 2013, 12:19 PM

There are events in Finland???? gotta remember that Zippy spends a bit of time at sea so maybe he misses them ;)


From Zippy over at The Other Place™
http://www.ruutu.fi/ohjelmat/nelosen-uutiset/jattimaiset-elainhahmot-tayttivat-suomenlinnan-taivaan (http://www.ruutu.fi/ohjelmat/nelosen-uutiset/jattimaiset-elainhahmot-tayttivat-suomenlinnan-taivaan)


Title: Re: Where are the women?
Post by: glk47 on May 13, 2013, 06:16 PM
My wife and I both fly, but she isn't active in any forums. I can quickly name at least 10 couples we know in the mid Atlantic region (US) who are active flyers. Some compete in stunt, some are kite builders, some both.

Larry