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Title: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 09, 2013, 10:33 AM
I've been flying a New Tech Detonator for the last 6 years and it's time to graduate. I have another kite I know nothing about, the bag says "Wei Fang 2008." It's fun in high wind, it's kind of a lumbering brute compared to the Detonator. Here's me flying the Wei Fang last year.

Spblat flew a kite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBWgSPGoyU#ws)

So I'm ready to take it to the next level. I want to learn how to do some tricks on a kite that's good for a range of wind conditions. It seems like the E3 is most popular choice, as people seem to be saying the Chinese construction isn't that big a problem lately. Plus it comes with a video, which could be good as I have so, SO much to learn. But it doesn't seem to me that Prism has designed anything new for many years.

So. E3? Benson DSV? Sky Burner? NSE? Which kite will both let me learn new stuff and forgive my inexperience?

Prism has some good videos (http://www.prismkites.com/lounge-video.php) and diagrams (http://www.prismkites.com/lounge-training.php). Where else can I learn?

Thanks everyone.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: red sweater on April 09, 2013, 11:04 AM
I'll let others recommend specific kites. But do consider keeping an eye on the used kite deals in the swap meet here.

As far as resources for learning, here are a few of my bookmarks:

http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/wiki9/tiki-index.php?page=Functional+Index (http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/wiki9/tiki-index.php?page=Functional+Index)
http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/tutorials/randygs/ (http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/tutorials/randygs/)
http://v2.2.kiteclique.com/tutorials/tricks-party/ (http://v2.2.kiteclique.com/tutorials/tricks-party/)
http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/tutorials/mama74/ (http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/tutorials/mama74/) (Martin had more than this hosted on kitebox, which is down for good? I haven't checked to see if his YT account has all the rest. But here it is, give it a check...)
http://www.youtube.com/user/DPmama74 (http://www.youtube.com/user/DPmama74)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: thief on April 09, 2013, 11:14 AM
hey spblat sounds like you are on the road to addiction!!!!   
Lets start with....
Where are you located? (you can put this into your profile so it is visible to everyone) one of the best things is to meet up with other flyers and then use OPK! (Other Peoples Kites) Try them....see what you like!!!


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: chilese on April 09, 2013, 11:17 AM
Welcome to the Forum.  :)

If you can fly without crashing, you should have no fear

of purchasing a high end kite.

I would urge you to support the smaller (boutique) kite companies.

SkyBurner
Benson
Jest Of Eve
R-Sky

to name a few.

My personal suggestion would be a Widow Maker standard by SkyBurner.

You can even purchase some wind brakes and/or Q/flaps.
   These items will let you fly in higher wind or in Quad mode (although not a Rev by any means)

The WidowMaker is a proven design and is very forgiving.
It can even be ordered in custom colors for some extra dollars.

Good luck with your new addiction passion.

Wind brakes on Widow Maker:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x5oMjsH8qO0/TCXE1jFvFyI/AAAAAAAA_xk/Kb8E5AAy4l8/s640/0089%2520Screen%2520Widow%2520Maker.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2010Kites#5487008145252226850)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 09, 2013, 11:49 AM
Thanks folks. Profile updated. I'm in Portland Oregon and I only fly a half dozen days a year out on the coast. Moar!

Appreciate the impulse to support smaller kite makers. Thanks to the list of links above and the recommendation from chilese I'm on board with the Widow Maker. I'll check out the swap meet too.

hey spblat sounds like you are on the road to addiction!!!!
Oh I've been on it all along. There don't seem to be offramps...  ;D


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: chilese on April 09, 2013, 12:05 PM
As thief pointed out:

It is best to fly with local kiters and try out their kites.

If you find one you really like, go with that.

And, if you try and like many different models, choose the

one you think looks the best. You'll be seeing it for a long time.  :)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: thief on April 09, 2013, 12:22 PM
ooh boy....being in Portland changes things......you could hit up kitelife and drop a note to the head of that site...they are based in Portland as well...and he has also designed the Kymera from Into the wind as well....


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 09, 2013, 12:32 PM
ooh boy....being in Portland changes things......you could hit up kitelife and drop a note to the head of that site...they are based in Portland as well...and he has also designed the Kymera from Into the wind as well....
??? That is a happy coincidence. Thanks!


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Charles P on April 11, 2013, 12:17 AM

And, if you try and like many different models, choose the

one you think looks the best. You'll be seeing it for a long time.  :)

 I agree with chilese 100%
Any high end kite is going to perform well but you will get so much more enjoyment out of it if you really like the looks of the kite. My first expensive kite was the Seven by Sportkitedesin, its still my go to kite. It performs better than I can fly and has looks that kill.   8)
 Welcome to the forum, I'm a bit of a newb myself but I just love trick flying with dual lines and the I have picked up a great deal of knowledge surfing the topics of this site.
 
 If you really want to learn a few tricks you can definitely speed up the process by trying to meet up with local kiters who do trick flying.
  I'm sure you will be happy with whatever kite you decide on considering the  ones you mentioned. Please let us know what you end up with, sounds like it might be a Widow Maker.   :)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Bob D on April 11, 2013, 04:01 AM
If I had to  have only one kite it would be the Widow Maker. It's got a nice wind range and is good at pitch AND rotational tricks.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 11, 2013, 06:28 AM
If I had to  have only one kite it would be the Widow Maker. It's got a nice wind range and is good at pitch AND rotational tricks.

Well that's a good thing because I just ordered one  ;D


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: glk47 on April 11, 2013, 08:31 AM
ooh boy....being in Portland changes things......you could hit up kitelife and drop a note to the head of that site...they are based in Portland as well...and he has also designed the Kymera from Into the wind as well....


He may also try to interest you in joining the AKA. The national convention is out your way this October - Seaside OR.

Larry


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Wayner on April 11, 2013, 01:16 PM
If I had to  have only one kite it would be the Widow Maker. It's got a nice wind range and is good at pitch AND rotational tricks.

Well that's a good thing because I just ordered one  ;D

You should be very happy.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 11, 2013, 01:31 PM
Nice choice on the WM. I just ordered one as well. I have read a lot of threads with people who say it is their favorite kite. Even when people buy more kites, it seems that the WM stays in their "A" bag. Did you get a custom or a standard color scheme?


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 11, 2013, 02:08 PM
Did you get a custom or a standard color scheme?

I was gonna go custom, then decided I like the purple one so I ordered it. Then I saw this, OMG  :D

Potipoti63's WM Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMhKhyp6WM#ws)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Ca Ike on April 11, 2013, 02:36 PM
Thats the purple fade stock color combo with white instead of grey.  Nice change that makes the kite pop.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 11, 2013, 03:04 PM
That is very nice. I do like that scheme. Here are the colors that I went with. I can't wait till it gets here...

 :P :P :P


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h301/drmndrew82/b320a2f7-17fa-450c-872b-9adae775bbb8_zps4ebb2f13.jpg) (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/drmndrew82/media/b320a2f7-17fa-450c-872b-9adae775bbb8_zps4ebb2f13.jpg.html)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 24, 2013, 12:05 PM
My weekend plans are coming together :-D

(http://i.imgur.com/vUcVISQ.jpg)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Allen Carter on April 24, 2013, 12:29 PM
Go!

Start your weekend Now!   :P

You know you want to call in sick...




Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 24, 2013, 12:46 PM
Wow, That WM looks really nice. Marieanne said mine is ready... I hope it gets here before this weekend. I'm jealous.  :(


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: jaybett on April 25, 2013, 01:24 AM
Delta Park, is where most people fly in Portland. It is typical inland flying, shifting winds, directional and speed. In the spring and summer, people are there in the evenings.

The Portland Area Kite Flyers, have a page on Facebook. Most of them fly Revs. It's a good source for upcoming events in the area.

Theresa with the Kiteshoppe, is the local store. She is part of the vendor forums. Most clubs or groups, in the area will go touch base with her, so she knows a lot about what is going on.

Jay



Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 25, 2013, 07:09 AM
Thanks! Joined the FB Page. Glad to know about The Kite Shoppe, I need another lineset.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: chilese on April 25, 2013, 10:57 AM
spblat,

When did you get that WidowMaker?

I offered this suggestion to Jon and Marieanne in February

as their purple choices were down to 1 color.

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Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 25, 2013, 01:51 PM
It certainly looks like they took your suggestion. I ordered mine 4/18 and was told at the time they weren't in stock but there was a batch being made. Shipped on 4/22.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: chilese on April 25, 2013, 02:39 PM
Thanks. That makes sense as most of the purple options are

currently not available.

Here's the design I'd like to see them do

with a split leg color theme:

Phoenix Widow Maker. Eyeball would be the rub patch.

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Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Wayner on April 25, 2013, 03:06 PM
Thanks. That makes sense as most of the purple options are

currently not available.

Here's the design I'd like to see them do

with a split leg color theme:

Phoenix Widow Maker. Eyeball would be the rub patch.

John, Heard you have talked about this design. This is the first time I have seen it.

Wow. maybe worth getting a 2nd WM  ;D



Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on April 25, 2013, 03:25 PM
Hey, what about linesets? I have a couple of sets, probably dacron. Time for some dyneema/spectra. What length and weight are you guys flying?


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: thief on April 25, 2013, 03:44 PM
Have the gonzalez brothers print out that center panel! Or get bettancourt to sit at a sewing machine again ;)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Wayner on April 25, 2013, 07:39 PM
Hey, what about linesets? I have a couple of sets, probably dacron. Time for some dyneema/spectra. What length and weight are you guys flying?

This is a personal preference. There is no right answer on lenght. Strenght is a litter easier. Look at need 90 to 100#

For lenght I would recommend 100 feet. Shorter lenghts will allow you to get closer to the kite. But you will have a smaller wind window, giving you less space and time wiht ground passes and some tricks.



Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 27, 2013, 06:21 AM
My kite just made it in time for the morro bay festival

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h301/drmndrew82/6b8a4843ad1cf6d0a756a061bc5cd20d_zpsc11fc34f.jpg)


Title: Re: Re: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: madhabitz on April 27, 2013, 08:50 AM
My kite just made it in time for the morro bay festival

Yay Drew, have fun!


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: alien on April 27, 2013, 08:52 AM
Great video,
that winds like my summer northeaster over here,my lumbering brute gets taken out so often that i bought a second weifang thingy for spare parts but i havent had to strip it yet as it wont disintergrate no matter how hard i pull it.The upper spreader popped out once but i found it sticking up out of the sand.
Im thinking about stacking them.I reckon you need a cheapie to cane when the winds a over the limit,just to hear the noise and to be honest i kinder hope it will explode!
Hows the new kite slide?
I love my Hypnotist. :-*


Title: Re: Re: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: madhabitz on April 27, 2013, 08:53 AM
ooh boy....being in Portland changes things......you could hit up kitelife and drop a note to the head of that site...they are based in Portland as well...and he has also designed the Kymera from Into the wind as well....
...... and the new AKA big cheese?


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: spblat on July 11, 2013, 09:46 PM
Major milestone this week. I can do half axels  ;D

Spblat Learns the Half Axel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oh8J5-TlrM#ws)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: alien on July 12, 2013, 06:47 AM
Hot mate!
Its amazing how suddenly it can come together.
I am hooked on snapstalls n sidesliiiiides lately.
Great footage and love your airfield,thanks.


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: Wayner on July 12, 2013, 10:42 AM
Major milestone this week. I can do half axels  ;D


Way to go.

Can wait to see the next trick you learn.  :)


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: ko on July 12, 2013, 05:43 PM
NICE dog!! You are def. coming along.. some of your 1/2's are more like a stall at the edge of the window and then a turn BUUUT some look really good.. To exit the 1/2 you need to take up the slack evenly and quickly when the nose is pointed in the opposite direction (after completing the 1/2) I usually pop both lines as this gives the kite direction while getting a burst of speed at the same time.. Hope I havnt oversteped my bounds but since Norm is taking a deep breath and getting some flying time for himself in I thought I would chime in
Have fun Kurt


Title: Re: I'm ready, which kite is next?
Post by: ko on July 16, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jeeez I heard the flush all the way down here!!