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Title: Rolling Beauty
Post by: JayDee on April 17, 2013, 08:25 PM
A kite with rollbars won't do a sleeping beauty on anything but the slickest of all grounds.  At least I have not gotten my Talons to do it.  What works, though, is bringing the nose up and launching as shown in this short video:

Rolling Beauty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlSo3qWPPY#ws)

If the wind is high enough, the kite will launch into a fade almost right off the ground.  In lower winds, as in the video, my Talons like the tail tugged up briefly.  If the wind is too low, I need to pull the kite over the nose and do a pop-up launch instead.

Does this ground recovery have a name?  If not, I suggest "Rolling Beauty".  Not the fanciest of all names.  Therefore, suggestions welcome!


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: John Welden on April 17, 2013, 08:59 PM
I don't really understand what you're doing.


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: Ca Ike on April 17, 2013, 09:19 PM
Yea I've done that on a DS.  Just pull the tail up and drop it or pop both lines like you would a dead launch and let it lift off in a fade or go right int a backspin, JL, etc.


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: tpatter on April 17, 2013, 11:09 PM
I don't really understand what you're doing.

The idea here, I think, is that; because the kite has training wheels, it will do a rising fade directly off the ground by simply applying tension to lift the nose up a small amount.   No offense to anyone with the training wheel comment!  :)

The rollbars hold the back of the kite up which will cause tension on the front to allow the wind to lift the kite.  I've seen others do this with a DS anyhow or maybe it was a Talon, I don't remember.

Tom


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: Krijn on April 18, 2013, 12:26 AM
I've done that a LOT with my Talons (and other kites with rollbars).
Should it have a name??


Krijn


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: Ca Ike on April 18, 2013, 01:24 AM
I've done that a LOT with my Talons (and other kites with rollbars).
Should it have a name??


Krijn
It did at one time.  YOu don't need roll bars to do it either but it makes it a lot easier if you have them.  IIRC at one time the rising fade was done from a fade launch or from the sleeping beauty position.  Just pop the lines hard like a dead launch even without rollbars and you can fade launch.


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: JayDee on April 18, 2013, 04:09 AM
I don't really understand what you're doing.
Sorry about the poor video quality.  Another sub-optimal shot can be seen at 2:35 in an older video:

Pulling Strings at Shoreline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXirc1jBpM0#)

I've done that a LOT with my Talons (and other kites with rollbars).
I am not surprised.  Anyone who has given a Talon or Deep Space more than a short spin must have been in the sleeping beauty position.  And the rollbars very efficiently prevent the spin for the sleeping beauty recovery.  Correct me if I am wrong, but the only alternative you have is pulling the tail up for a cartwheel or a pop-up launch, depending on the wind.  So if you, of all people, would not have come up with something more elegant  ;)

Should it have a name??
Of course, much like the sleeping beauty, cascades or fade!  Naming moves makes communication so much easier.

It did at one time.  YOu don't need roll bars to do it either but it makes it a lot easier if you have them.  IIRC at one time the rising fade was done from a fade launch or from the sleeping beauty position.  Just pop the lines hard like a dead launch even without rollbars and you can fade launch.
What was the name at one time then?  I, too, seem to recall a video where this was done on a kite without rollbars.  Was it a Fearless, possibly flown by Grandmaster Lam himself?


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: harveystubbs on April 18, 2013, 03:56 PM
I've done that a LOT with my Talons (and other kites with rollbars).
Should it have a name??


Krijn

Yep .... a recovery  8)


Title: Re: Rolling Beauty
Post by: Ca Ike on April 18, 2013, 06:04 PM
I've done that a LOT with my Talons (and other kites with rollbars).
Should it have a name??


Krijn

Yep .... a recovery  8)
Hehe :)