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Title: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on April 23, 2013, 08:15 PM
I put together a short video to address Ara's question in the Solus Trailer (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9576.0) thread:

For this trick, do the following:
1. Find a place with absolutely, perfectly smooth ground, with nothing around to snag the wing tips.
2. Bring the kite to launch position.
3. Move one wingtip a little closer towards you.  The kite will move in that direction.
4. Apply gentle pull, taking care not to end up in a dead launch position.
5. Maintain even tension throughout the slide.

The hardest part is actually item 1.  I did not even know this move was possible at all, until I moved to Nova Scotia and happened to find a very flat beach that is smoothened by each high tide.

Ground-Bound Side Slide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do3bAAzImHs#ws)

Sorry about the poor quality of some clips.  For illustrative purposes, I compiled every bit of footage I had showing the ground slide.  The sequence between 1:08 and 1:22 shows how to initiate the slide.  It also demonstrates what happens when so much as the slightest "speed bump" is present  :-\


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on April 23, 2013, 08:28 PM
Uh-oh.  This is embarrassing!

Imagine the first instance of "Title Text Here" reads: "Ground-bound Side Slide", and the second one: "You can Do It!".  For a reason only electrons, bits and bytes will ever understand, this reverted back to the defaults, and I did not realize it until everything was uploaded and linked.  Sometimes I _do hate computers!_   :-[


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ara Ararauna on April 24, 2013, 12:46 AM
Really nice!
I very much like the little jumps the kite makes in the sequence you mention starting at 1:08.  ???
I have one flying spot where I can try that. So next time I will definitely do so  :P


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: vertigo2u on April 24, 2013, 06:22 AM
Great sliodes and nice video to watch.  Nice ground control of the kite...


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: vertigo2u on April 24, 2013, 06:34 AM
btw:  Jay you really fly well.  I only wish I was as good.  One day if I keep working.  Your video of the slide will have me working at another trick. 


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on April 24, 2013, 07:26 PM
btw:  Jay you really fly well.  I only wish I was as good.  One day if I keep working.  Your video of the slide will have me working at another trick. 

Looking at the progress you are making, it can't be all that long!  Your videos remind me of where I was not too long ago.  My video editing skills at present still exceed my flying skills   8)

Try a Talon Standard when the winds are a tad higher than what you have seen lately.  Much easier to learn a move in normal winds and then transfer it to a UL kite in a low breeze.  The only thing that very low (and very high) winds have taught me was kite control.  I do not recall learning a single _trick_ in extreme conditions.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: alien on April 29, 2013, 03:35 AM
Hot stuff,
Never seen better sliding than that,it almost looks like its faked you know,like the moon landings!.I dont know why but it reminds me of the moon and landing craft,best ever flying and first time ive ever seen this as i am new to sport,BRILLIANT!Wish there was footage of what you where doing at your end to give me an idea how to attempt this incredible move,or is this another hoax? Incredible stuff,ive watched it 10 times over!
JayDee you is "THE" best pilot ever.
  THE MOON WALK ,by JD


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 29, 2013, 10:20 AM
I flew my new WM at the Morro Bay festival this last weekend and my friends and I were trying this ground slide out. It looks really nice on the beach. Thanks for the post and the video, I never would have thought of that. I also was doing some combinations, but unfortunately I didn't record any video. :( I was doing a descending side slide to ground slide (continuous sliding) and then end the ground slide with an axle take off with the opposite hand that you are pulling for the slide. It was looking pretty cool. Next time I get to a beach I will try to record a video.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on April 29, 2013, 10:42 AM
I think its funny that for years this was something  you avoided at all costs cause you didn't want the kite to move at all if it was on the ground as part of a routine and now people are trying to learn how to do it.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: DD on April 29, 2013, 01:05 PM
using dorsal caps help wear and tear on nocks too


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on April 29, 2013, 03:30 PM
Hot stuff,
Never seen better sliding than that,it almost looks like its faked you know,like the moon landings!.I dont know why but it reminds me of the moon and landing craft,best ever flying and first time ive ever seen this as i am new to sport,BRILLIANT!Wish there was footage of what you where doing at your end to give me an idea how to attempt this incredible move,or is this another hoax? Incredible stuff,ive watched it 10 times over!
JayDee you is "THE" best pilot ever.
  THE MOON WALK ,by JD

Dude, you can do it no problem. It might even happen without trying.  Just pull one wing of the kite towards you a little and it will take off like a sail boat.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 29, 2013, 03:40 PM
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I think its funny that for years this was something  you avoided at all costs cause you didn't want the kite to move at all if it was on the ground as part of a routine and now people are trying to learn how to do it.

Why wouldn't you want the kite to move on the ground during a routine? Just a little confused. I thought groundwork has been done for years... Do you mean you didn't want your kite to slide across the ground like in the video?


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on April 29, 2013, 05:33 PM
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I think its funny that for years this was something  you avoided at all costs cause you didn't want the kite to move at all if it was on the ground as part of a routine and now people are trying to learn how to do it.

Why wouldn't you want the kite to move on the ground during a routine? Just a little confused. I thought groundwork has been done for years... Do you mean you didn't want your kite to slide across the ground like in the video?
Talking about the slide itself.  If you landed or were doing ground work you wanted the kite to stay where you landed it or you got dinged.  The grounded slide could put you in a part of the grid you shouldn't be in.  Mainly an issue for precision.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: alien on April 30, 2013, 02:33 AM
Oh man,
it aint easy being green but i fluked a cartwheel along the ground in the mist of the how to do the SLIDEWALK confusion, if i caught it on video you would think it was JD on the strings-for a split second.
My Hypnotist needed a good freshwater shower after i finally got it to slide (downhill was my only success) into a 3 foot shore dump and it got hammered by a few more until i removed my phone,sunnies and decided to dive in  before it was another victim of Davey Jones Locker! Anyone else had a Swim of Shame?
A Tricky trick that looks so good cant be easy to learn. :'(
Hey JayDee,throw in a cartwheel along the ground and continue sliding or even multiple cartwheels to slidewalks.
John Welden,yes it does exactly as you described ,its mad i love it.





Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on April 30, 2013, 08:23 AM
Well, I have not had the chance to do a swim of shame, but I lost the occasional spar with a kite caught in the backwash.  Standoffs are usually the first parts to give.  One time, my E2 was heavily beat up when the wind got flicked off while the kite hovered over dramatic surf...

Pleased to hear you like the move so much.  But I got to agree with John W.:  It is really not rocket science!  Just follow the five simple steps in my thread-starting post, and the kite should do it almost by itself.  If you end up in a cartwheel, that suggests you did not follow item #1:  The ground needs to be smooth, so as to not snag the wingtips.  Hard-packed sand is perfect.  Dry, fluffy stuff will be a lot more difficult.  Ice would be perfect.

DD is making a good point regarding the end caps:  Not only will they protect your wingtip nocks, but they further help reducing friction.  Depending on style and orientation of the wingtip nocks, they may tend to snag.  Not sure what the Hypnotist looks like in this area.  All kites in the video do have end caps.

As for the discussion on whether or not it is a desirable move:  I can see how the ground slide does not fit in with old-school routines.  As long as the motion is controlled, though, I do not think the groundslide is something undesirable, and it definitely has a place in freestyle flying.  It does look cool, and it does tend to look fake :P

I am pleased to hear my video has sparked off interest enough to get a few people try it out in Morro Bay.  Looking forward to drmdrew82's video  8)

Talking about combinations: I captured a dead-launch-to-ground-slide with my Solus the other day.  Will post the video on occasion.  Stay tuned.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: drmndrew82 on April 30, 2013, 09:19 AM
Quote
I think its funny that for years this was something  you avoided at all costs cause you didn't want the kite to move at all if it was on the ground as part of a routine and now people are trying to learn how to do it.

Why wouldn't you want the kite to move on the ground during a routine? Just a little confused. I thought groundwork has been done for years... Do you mean you didn't want your kite to slide across the ground like in the video?
Talking about the slide itself.  If you landed or were doing ground work you wanted the kite to stay where you landed it or you got dinged.  The grounded slide could put you in a part of the grid you shouldn't be in.  Mainly an issue for precision.


I see what you are saying now. That makes sense. Speaking of groundwork. It seems that this is somewhat of a lost art form. It used to be really popular with the older style kites, but I don't see it done as much anymore. Do newer style kites have limits on groundwork?


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on April 30, 2013, 10:23 AM
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I see what you are saying now. That makes sense. Speaking of groundwork. It seems that this is somewhat of a lost art form. It used to be really popular with the older style kites, but I don't see it done as much anymore. Do newer style kites have limits on groundwork?

I think it's that people moved on to more advanced tricks and some of the easier stuff was left behind.  People also have a tendency to copy the top fliers flying styles.  Everyone pretty much flies like the French/euro guys now days.  Long lines, super aggressive, super technical, tons of pitch tricks.

I really love ground work and low altitude tricking. Any trick that's cool 30 feet up is cooler 3 feet up.  A ground pass 8 feet up is yawn... A few inches up is really quite nice,  so even very basic stuff is cool if its low enough.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on April 30, 2013, 10:35 AM

Any trick that's cool 30 feet up is cooler 3 feet up.

+1


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on April 30, 2013, 02:14 PM
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I see what you are saying now. That makes sense. Speaking of groundwork. It seems that this is somewhat of a lost art form. It used to be really popular with the older style kites, but I don't see it done as much anymore. Do newer style kites have limits on groundwork?

I think it's that people moved on to more advanced tricks and some of the easier stuff was left behind.  People also have a tendency to copy the top fliers flying styles.  Everyone pretty much flies like the French/euro guys now days.  Long lines, super aggressive, super technical, tons of pitch tricks.

I really love ground work and low altitude tricking. Any trick that's cool 30 feet up is cooler 3 feet up.  A ground pass 8 feet up is yawn... A few inches up is really quite nice,  so even very basic stuff is cool if its low enough.
This is too true.  I remember when the cartwheel, coin toss, side slide 3 inches off the ground, tip drag and summersault and even a fade a foot or less up were considered great tricks and now they are just passe'.  Some of the ground work tricks are harder with straight leading edges but still doable.


Title: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on April 30, 2013, 02:56 PM
Quote


I see what you are saying now. That makes sense. Speaking of groundwork. It seems that this is somewhat of a lost art form. It used to be really popular with the older style kites, but I don't see it done as much anymore. Do newer style kites have limits on groundwork?

I think it's that people moved on to more advanced tricks and some of the easier stuff was left behind.  People also have a tendency to copy the top fliers flying styles.  Everyone pretty much flies like the French/euro guys now days.  Long lines, super aggressive, super technical, tons of pitch tricks.

I really love ground work and low altitude tricking. Any trick that's cool 30 feet up is cooler 3 feet up.  A ground pass 8 feet up is yawn... A few inches up is really quite nice,  so even very basic stuff is cool if its low enough.
This is too true.  I remember when the cartwheel, coin toss, side slide 3 inches off the ground, tip drag and summersault and even a fade a foot or less up were considered great tricks and now they are just passe'.  Some of the ground work tricks are harder with straight leading edges but still doable.

I wish some of these modern trick gods would do more low altitude stuff.  It's fun to watch.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on April 30, 2013, 05:11 PM
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I see what you are saying now. That makes sense. Speaking of groundwork. It seems that this is somewhat of a lost art form. It used to be really popular with the older style kites, but I don't see it done as much anymore. Do newer style kites have limits on groundwork?

I think it's that people moved on to more advanced tricks and some of the easier stuff was left behind.  People also have a tendency to copy the top fliers flying styles.  Everyone pretty much flies like the French/euro guys now days.  Long lines, super aggressive, super technical, tons of pitch tricks.

I really love ground work and low altitude tricking. Any trick that's cool 30 feet up is cooler 3 feet up.  A ground pass 8 feet up is yawn... A few inches up is really quite nice,  so even very basic stuff is cool if its low enough.
This is too true.  I remember when the cartwheel, coin toss, side slide 3 inches off the ground, tip drag and summersault and even a fade a foot or less up were considered great tricks and now they are just passe'.  Some of the ground work tricks are harder with straight leading edges but still doable.

I wish some of these modern trick gods would do more low altitude stuff.  It's fun to watch.
YEa I'm right there with ya.  Did my first demo this weekend and started off holding a tip stand for about 10 min waiting for them to figure out the audio system bugs.  That, the side slide across the whole window and the 540 a foot or so off the ground from a high speed dive in 17 mph+ beach wind got the most comments from the crowd out of everything in my routine.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on April 30, 2013, 08:34 PM

Talking about combinations: I captured a dead-launch-to-ground-slide with my Solus the other day.  Will post the video on occasion.  Stay tuned.


Here we go:

Dead Launch to Ground Slide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6VIT_sQ_U8#ws)

Some bonus footage included.  Enjoy!


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on April 30, 2013, 09:09 PM
It will never cease to amaze me what some call tricks now, were called mistakes before.  All the ground slide tells me is you can take advantage of terrain to do the work for you.  Forget the ground slide and show me a true side slide 6 inches or less above the ground across the window.  That is my challenge to you Jay :)


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on May 01, 2013, 05:39 AM
Aww, come on!  You cannot be that much older than me, yet you sound like your own grandfather.  Let us kids have some fun while we grow up and learn those _serious_ tricks.  We'll get there eventually.  I am already practicing for your challenge (and have been before it even existed), but I am not a good enough flier yet.  Believe it or not, however, the ground slide is helping me get there:  It looks smoothest if the tips do not actually _touch_ the ground.

I agree it might be a little far fetched to call the ground slide a trick.  So let's call it a move.  A mistake it is certainly not, as it is a controlled motion and can be reproduced at will.  And some folks here agree that it looks cool, for that matter.  The help of terrain cannot be a reason to call it a mistake either.  Otherwise, your 10-minute tip stand would be a pretty nasty one. ;) ;)  Truly impressive otherwise!

On a different matter:  What I find interesting about the move shown in the dead-launch-to-ground-slide video is that the wingtips never lose contact with the ground during and after the dead launch.  I have only been able to do this with my Solus, not with any other kite.  And if I am a good boy and say please, I am pretty sure Grampa will teach me how to do a proper dead launch.  Without taking advantage of terrain, that is 8)


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: RobB on May 01, 2013, 06:09 AM
 :D  :D   :D

I think the Ground Slide shows excellent control, and looks cool. Whether it's a 'real' trick or not, who cares ?

JD, thanks for the videos, that beach looks spectacular !


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: alien on May 01, 2013, 06:32 AM
JayDee,
That is a BONUS video and in the last cut you proved that you are one of us ,"humanoid"
Hmm, SOL standard looks appealing, attractive and easy to fly :'( I wish.
Sweet flying.keep em coming they are addictive viewing, new and very different from every other video that i watch over and over every night of the week(there arent enough anyways) and the location looks like Kite paradise!



Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on May 01, 2013, 07:02 AM

I think the Ground Slide shows excellent control, and looks cool.

Thanks!  Coming from a side slide virtuoso like you, that means a lot!


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on May 01, 2013, 09:15 AM

I think the Ground Slide shows excellent control, and looks cool.

Thanks!  Coming from a side slide virtuoso like you, that means a lot!

Do you have a video link to his virtuoso side slides?  I really like side slides.


Title: Re: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: madhabitz on May 01, 2013, 09:47 AM
JD, you should be honored to receive one of Anthony's (Ike) kaboshes- he usually only does it to someone who has done something really cool in order to knock 'em down a peg or two.

JW, please don't start the  "what a REAL side slide is" war again. Maybe asking to see video of a ten-minute tipstand would be better, tho in 17mph winds maybe not all that big a deal, eh? Your post with the encouraging bit of helpfulness was perfect - more of that kind of thing would be so cool to see around here.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on May 01, 2013, 10:22 AM
Aww, come on!  You cannot be that much older than me, yet you sound like your own grandfather.  Let us kids have some fun while we grow up and learn those _serious_ tricks.  We'll get there eventually.  I am already practicing for your challenge (and have been before it even existed), but I am not a good enough flier yet.  Believe it or not, however, the ground slide is helping me get there:  It looks smoothest if the tips do not actually _touch_ the ground.

I agree it might be a little far fetched to call the ground slide a trick.  So let's call it a move.  A mistake it is certainly not, as it is a controlled motion and can be reproduced at will.  And some folks here agree that it looks cool, for that matter.  The help of terrain cannot be a reason to call it a mistake either.  Otherwise, your 10-minute tip stand would be a pretty nasty one. ;) ;)  Truly impressive otherwise!

On a different matter:  What I find interesting about the move shown in the dead-launch-to-ground-slide video is that the wingtips never lose contact with the ground during and after the dead launch.  I have only been able to do this with my Solus, not with any other kite.  And if I am a good boy and say please, I am pretty sure Grampa will teach me how to do a proper dead launch.  Without taking advantage of terrain, that is 8)
Yea my age depends on how I feel at the end of a work day :P.  You misunderstand though, this move as well as some others, used to be avoided in competitions since you could get dinged on score.  Hence the mistake if you let it happen.   Proper dead launch? Heck if you get it up without breaking a spar or nicking the sail you did a good one :)  Straight LE kites don't dead launch gracefully.

JD, you should be honored to receive one of Anthony's (Ike) kaboshes- he usually only does it to someone who has done something really cool in order to knock 'em down a peg or two.

JW, please don't start the  "what a REAL side slide is" war again. Maybe asking to see video of a ten-minute tipstand would be better, tho in 17mph winds maybe not all that big a deal, eh? Your post with the encouraging bit of helpfulness was perfect - more of that kind of thing would be so cool to see around here.
JD isn't the first to do this move and stating a point is not a kabosh since I'm not trying to end it or put a stop to it.  I can say the same thing about a few other mistakes that are now considered tricks.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on May 01, 2013, 10:50 AM
JD, you should be honored to receive one of Anthony's (Ike) kaboshes- he usually only does it to someone who has done something really cool in order to knock 'em down a peg or two.

JW, please don't start the  "what a REAL side slide is" war again. Maybe asking to see video of a ten-minute tipstand would be better, tho in 17mph winds maybe not all that big a deal, eh? Your post with the encouraging bit of helpfulness was perfect - more of that kind of thing would be so cool to see around here.

I don't remember any wars about side slides? I sort of remember commenting about kind of a cheat side slide where you start on the edge of the window and then walk/run along with the kite and keep it in the sweet spot. I can't remember exactly how it's done. Maybe you sort of stall on the edge of the window and then walk down wind while holding the stall. It's a stall that moves down wind and appears to be side sliding. Look mom, I'm side sliding!

I just wanted to see videos with good side slides. Not many people put them in their videos anymore.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on May 01, 2013, 11:14 AM

Do you have a video link to his virtuoso side slides?  I really like side slides.

Follow the link to Rob's YouTube channel, conveniently located in his signature.  There is one video called -- who would have guessed -- "Side Slides", and the Snow Devil vid has quite a bit of sliding in it, too.  There may be more.


JD isn't the first to do this move and stating a point is not a kabosh since I'm not trying to end it or put a stop to it.  I can say the same thing about a few other mistakes that are now considered tricks.

And I never claimed I was.  The first (and only) time I saw a ground slide was in a video showing a Cosmic TC on the North Sea coast.  The only thing betraying that it was not fake was a small twitching towards the end of the move.  Unfortunately, that video does not seem to be online anywhere.  I think I have a local copy if anyone is interested.

For those who like ground work:  In another scene in that video, the kite walks across the frame.  Looks way cool, even though I am convinced there is a hardcore flier out there who might disapprove.  And for the purists amongst us, I seem to recall a few pretty swift, yet stable side slides, too.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: vertigo2u on May 01, 2013, 11:16 AM
Watching and following this thread.  Only thing I can say is Jonh Weldon knows "slides".  I have been trying for most of the spring to improve my slide.  I have never forgotten post by John explaining the slide and some Tech. to do it.  I also know it's his Favorite trick if I am correct.  I hate doing 504's ten feet or above.  The lower the better.  I took that from John a couple years ago.  I even try Norm's AVFFF at low altitude.

I don't know who is right or wrong... I just like John's attitude and if you have followed him for some years he gives some great advise... Thanks John.

p.s.-  This is not to dispute others on this thread that I respect and read daily... Tony your some one I hold in High regards... as I  do others. I just like John's input on Slides ...
 To me Slides are just smooth and cool...



Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on May 01, 2013, 11:29 AM
JayDee,
That is a BONUS video and in the last cut you proved that you are one of us ,"humanoid"
Hmm, SOL standard looks appealing, attractive and easy to fly :'( I wish.
Sweet flying.keep em coming they are addictive viewing, new and very different from every other video that i watch over and over every night of the week(there arent enough anyways) and the location looks like Kite paradise!



Glad you like the vids and pleased if you can learn something from them.  That visual kite paradise is plagued by pretty lousy winds most of the time, though.  I have seen gusty 20 knots to zero and back in half an hour, as well as 180 degree turns in 10 minutes.  Most of the time, I have two or three different kites with lines ready, so I can switch quickly.  During the half year I have been here in Nova Scotia, I may have seen smooth kiting winds maybe three times  :(

It does teach me, though:  Being able to fly in poor conditions makes you even better when the winds are favorable every once in a while.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on May 01, 2013, 11:35 AM

Do you have a video link to his virtuoso side slides?  I really like side slides.

Follow the link to Rob's YouTube channel, conveniently located in his signature.  There is one video called -- who would have guessed -- "Side Slides", and the Snow Devil vid has quite a bit of sliding in it, too.  There may be more.


JD isn't the first to do this move and stating a point is not a kabosh since I'm not trying to end it or put a stop to it.  I can say the same thing about a few other mistakes that are now considered tricks.

And I never claimed I was.  The first (and only) time I saw a ground slide was in a video showing a Cosmic TC on the North Sea coast.  The only thing betraying that it was not fake was a small twitching towards the end of the move.  Unfortunately, that video does not seem to be online anywhere.  I think I have a local copy if anyone is interested.

For those who like ground work:  In another scene in that video, the kite walks across the frame.  Looks way cool, even though I am convinced there is a hardcore flier out there who might disapprove.  And for the purists amongst us, I seem to recall a few pretty swift, yet stable side slides, too.

Thanks.  Those are Good lookin smooth slides.  Nice to see old school stuff like that once in a while.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on May 01, 2013, 11:52 AM
Watching and following this thread.  Only thing I can say is Jonh Weldon knows "slides".  I have been trying for most of the spring to improve my slide.  I have never forgotten post by John explaining the slide and some Tech. to do it.  I also know it's his Favorite trick if I am correct.  I hate doing 504's ten feet or above.  The lower the better.  I took that from John a couple years ago.  I even try Norm's AVFFF at low altitude.

I don't know who is right or wrong... I just like John's attitude and if you have followed him for some years he gives some great advise... Thanks John.

p.s.-  This is not to dispute others on this thread that I respect and read daily... Tony your some one I hold in High regards... as I  do others. I just like John's input on Slides ...
 To me Slides are just smooth and cool...

Thanks dude, glad I could help a little.

The only way I could get good at side slides is to have done them about a million times.  It's funny how its such a simple trick, but can be so hard. I think to do good side slides isn't all that hard.  To do great side slides can be really hard, especially in crap wind.  Low altitude, no wobble, smooth, slow and a nice long arc that comes all the way across the window.

Weather is supposed to be nice this weekend. I'm going flyin!


Title: Re: Re: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: madhabitz on May 01, 2013, 12:06 PM
Thanks.  Those are Good lookin smooth slides.  Nice to see old school stuff like that once in a while.

Good answer John! ;D

Joe, I agree... JW is the best when he's teaching (and at his metalwork!). I still haven't seen him flying because I can't find any of his videos, but I continue to look. I do believe he's as amazing at that as Chilese says.

Anyway, JD had fun doing something really cool - both the tricky stuff and the video production. Awesome for someone like myself who only has aspirations at this point.

Drew had a ball doing something new, for him. He was excited, as I was for him. No need to take away from that.

Rob does wonderful videos and is one of the kindest people on the planet and I just don't want to see him dragged into any "discussions" that have the potential for bad feelings.

The upshot is that this thread has veered off into left field. It began with all good intentions, fun, and a load of teaching. It would be great to keep it going in that direction.

Nancy


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: tpatter on May 01, 2013, 12:15 PM

Enjoy.

A Vapor Video by John Welden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESWzRlbqMs#)


Title: Re: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: madhabitz on May 01, 2013, 12:23 PM
Thanks Tom :)


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on May 01, 2013, 12:49 PM
John C is my biggest and only fan, lol.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: chilese on May 01, 2013, 12:59 PM
Standoffs can take a beating.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_vH-e44FhiU/S2iPOPe9UII/AAAAAAAALzA/2V1U8ocB7V8/s800/119%2520masquerade%2520wet.JPG) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2003Kites#5433750425259823234)

JW, I worship the ground you float above.  :)


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: madhabitz on May 01, 2013, 01:45 PM
Just watched the video of John. Exquisite. Add Queen to the mix and it rocks. Thanks again for the link.

Nancy
P.S. I now know why I hadn't been able to find the videos before: you gotta spell his name correctly.   :'( Turns out it's "en," not "on." oops.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: Ca Ike on May 01, 2013, 05:34 PM
John C is my biggest and only fan, lol.
Biggest yea I'll bow to that.  Watching you and Tom Ettle on the vapor and you on the lix have always been an inspiration to me.  I still haven't been able to get more than one rollup on a lix but the vapor is a side slide king.  Vid is bad quality being a white kite on a cloudy low light day but its there :)

https://vimeo.com/24301935


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: RobB on May 01, 2013, 07:18 PM
JW, I bet you could get that Vapor to side slide 360 ! The Vapor was one of the best side sliden' kites I've ever flown. Right on about the Side Slide to be easy trick to do (one of my first (before I knew about tricks)) but I'm still working on 'mastering' it. Flat & level, all the way across the window, no bobbles... I'm lucky to get 5 of those a year.

JD, I've seen videos from another pilot up in Nova Scotia, it always struck me as a good place to fly. Scenery & what looks like good wind. Maybe it's just been the same bad wind up & down the east coast this year, we're due for some good wind soon !

 :)


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: RobB on May 01, 2013, 07:24 PM
It will never cease to amaze me what some call tricks now, were called mistakes before.  All the ground slide tells me is you can take advantage of terrain to do the work for you.  Forget the ground slide and show me a true side slide 6 inches or less above the ground across the window.  That is my challenge to you Jay :)

Anthony, I promise you a big, fat side slide video with that yellow kite. I don't know about 6 inches off the deck, but I'll see what I can do !

 8)


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on May 01, 2013, 09:11 PM

JD, I've seen videos from another pilot up in Nova Scotia, it always struck me as a good place to fly. Scenery & what looks like good wind. Maybe it's just been the same bad wind up & down the east coast this year, we're due for some good wind soon !

 :)

I never give up hope and keep my mind open for positive surprises.   :-\  Yes, we will have gorgeous, smooth and steady winds all along the east coast starting no later than mid-May.  Everybody chime in, please:  "Yes, we will have gorgeous, smooth..."

I have yet to find that other flier here in Nova Scotia, though.  So far, the crappy winds have spoiled my attempts at recruiting new folks to the hobby.  It tends to frustrate people if they can barely keep a kite you give them in the air.  And it tends to frustrate me if I cannot even fly my own kite then.  Cause the fact that, while they are struggling, I can fly so much as a trick or two tends to frustrate said people even more...  And that's where the cat bites its tail.  :(


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: alien on May 02, 2013, 03:55 AM

Enjoy.

A Vapor Video by John Welden ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESWzRlbqMs#[/url])

tpatter,nice one,
Well done Weldon!
You just Vapourizzzzed my day at work.That was truly Hot Flying Jonny!
And while im here i have to DECLARE 'You blokes are TOTAL FREAKS', Keep the Freak Show going.
Whats next?
JayDee, forget the locals,i am in a different hemisphere and while i am meant to be concentrating on blood pressures, pulse rates, temps and flows, all i am really thinking about is Low altitude Axles ,Sideslides and
  the JD Slidewalk,consider me recruited,Yankee!



Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: RobB on May 02, 2013, 04:45 AM
Hey JD...
I don't know if he's still up there, but this guy (Dean) used to do a lot of flying up there...

A Short Kite Film: PROGRESS -Prism Qpro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4-w6vHU31w#)

~Rob.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: alien on May 02, 2013, 04:57 AM
Oh Deano,
Hot video,Hot kite. :P
Thanks RobB


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: John Welden on May 02, 2013, 06:37 AM
JW, I bet you could get that Vapor to side slide 360 !

For outdoor the hardest part of 360 side slides is having enough stamina to truck backwards when the kite is upwind.  A guy in good shape like you are would have no problem at all. I guarantee you could easily do it if you practiced a little.  (especially on short-ish lines in little to no wind)  If my pathetic un-athletic body can do it, you can do it.  :D

Indoors, 360 sides slides are really quite easy. Just lock it in and walk backwards.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on May 02, 2013, 12:12 PM
Hey JD...
I don't know if he's still up there, but this guy (Dean) used to do a lot of flying up there...
~Rob.


Thanks, Rob!  Cool video.

But, errr, hmm, now, how do I say it without coming across ungrateful or arrogant?  It's a kinda long way between here and there: http://goo.gl/maps/siL1M. (http://goo.gl/maps/siL1M.)  Even though, here in Canada people seem to be used to somewhat longer distances.  But, short of the border crossing, I might just as well come visit you   :-X

A little over year ago I had not the slightest clue of where and what exactly Newfoundland is, let alone how to pronounce it.  The fact that so many people think Newfoundland when I talk about Nova Scotia shows that I was in very good company, and there is not the slightest reason to feel bad about it.   :D :D


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: RobB on May 02, 2013, 05:55 PM
OOops, sorry about that. The last time I was up there I was not driving, I was too young. It all blends together, in my mind it seemed a lot closer. For me, getting there was the long part, going between seemed like a short distance.

Oh, well. At least the good wind should be back, maybe as soon as this weekend !


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: JayDee on February 23, 2014, 09:46 PM

JD isn't the first to do this move and stating a point is not a kabosh since I'm not trying to end it or put a stop to it.  I can say the same thing about a few other mistakes that are now considered tricks.


And I never claimed I was.  The first (and only) time I saw a ground slide was in a video showing a Cosmic TC on the North Sea coast.  The only thing betraying that it was not fake was a small twitching towards the end of the move.  Unfortunately, that video does not seem to be online anywhere.  I think I have a local copy if anyone is interested.

For those who like ground work:  In another scene in that video, the kite walks across the frame.  Looks way cool, even though I am convinced there is a hardcore flier out there who might disapprove.  And for the purists amongst us, I seem to recall a few pretty swift, yet stable side slides, too.



For the record, I finally found that video I was referring to:

Just Cosmic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzha-CCDSIE#ws)

The ground slide starts at 2:17, the walking kite at 3:45.  But the rest of the video is worth watching, too, IMHO.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: white wing lover on February 24, 2014, 05:35 AM
These "ground slides" remind me of sand crabs scooting across a beach.


Title: Re: Ground-bound Side Slide
Post by: jaybett on February 26, 2014, 12:13 PM
One of my all time favorite videos.

Jay