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Title: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Kantaxel on May 13, 2013, 11:32 AM
[/url]!/photo.php?v=10151598336611162[/url]

Sorry couldn't get the link right.  Just go to Lam's facebook page and check out the new Automatic Trick machine.

Jim


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on May 13, 2013, 12:11 PM
Looks good!

You can hit the video from this link I believe.

<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151598336611162" width="854" height="480" frameborder="0"></iframe>


Thanks for posting this Jim!

-Tom


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Kantaxel on May 13, 2013, 07:28 PM
Doesn't
Work for me on the IPad.
Something about privacy settings?
But it works just fine on thelaptop :-*
jim


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: kepople on May 13, 2013, 07:57 PM
kite looks good. Facebook video player interface is pitiful. You cant even fast forward back to where you were...

Cant wait to see what the new scheme looks like..


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: alien on May 14, 2013, 11:32 AM
No video  :'(


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: thief on May 14, 2013, 11:52 AM
is it nicknamed the ATM because that is what it is going to take to get one???


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: ezme6 on May 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
not sure if I can release this but.....I better ask Lam first  8)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: RobB on May 14, 2013, 04:38 PM
Lam's kites cost as much or less than the current hot Euro kites... Are they as good ? I haven't flown any Euro kites except the Seven & Gemini.  :(


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: chilese on May 14, 2013, 05:41 PM
I'm guessing you could put Lam or PAW or several other

skypilots on a sub $200 kite and see a video of very similar

trick quality. These guys are extremely good. They may

want you to think you need the latest kite, but what most

of us need is dedication and thousands of hours of practice.  ::)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on May 14, 2013, 05:54 PM
what most of us need is dedication and thousands of hours of practice.  ::)

That's out of reach.... but a glossy new kite isn't.

And as we all know, shiny thing make it all better (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/shiny-thing-make-it-all-better-201001282420).  ;)

Mike,
no stranger to retail therapy.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: ko on May 14, 2013, 06:00 PM
John you have to figure in that"new kite smell" But seriously I am glad I bought the fearless set But am in no hurry to try something else ,Because as you say I have a long way to go to do these kites justice (as you know) I am glad to see a boutique kite builder doing his thing though Looking forward to seeing the latest by Lam


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: JimB on May 14, 2013, 09:04 PM
A kite just had to be named the ATM sometime, didn't it?

That's the best thing I've seen all day, including Hours and Hours of watching of Nikki and Grown Up Man play noisy game at Busy Place.. will it ever stop?

Sad. I know.


what most of us need is dedication and thousands of hours of practice.  ::)

That's out of reach.... but a glossy new kite isn't.

And as we all know, shiny thing make it all better ([url]http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/shiny-thing-make-it-all-better-201001282420[/url]).  ;)

Mike,
no stranger to retail therapy.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: asburyparkjohn on May 15, 2013, 06:57 AM
What I like working with Lam is whatever LAM kite you have he can improve it by adding vents, claw yo/yo stoppers as your minor/major repair is being fixed. Not sure if the ATM will have the same input transitions as the Fearless/Transformer with the Transformer just being QUICKER. I like the Transformer in lighter winds but the Fearless in higher winds with the bigger frame. Where does the FRAME of the ATM fit into these previous models?

APJ


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on May 15, 2013, 11:02 AM

A higher quality video not on FB.

ATM : Automatic Trick Machine HD Kite Video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGlcqmkOFQc#ws)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: asburyparkjohn on May 15, 2013, 03:23 PM
Its Lam flying with his signature reverse INSANEs - flys like a larger? than a Transformer type kite with the ease of multiple Yo-Yo wrappings being quite apparent and not so easily done on the Fearless requiring slightly MORE effort. My guess a Transformer built into a Fearless size body but with some other minor quirks?  ... NICE.

APJ


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on May 15, 2013, 05:05 PM
Its Lam flying with his signature reverse INSANEs - flys like a larger? than a Transformer type kite with the ease of multiple Yo-Yo wrappings being quite apparent and not so easily done on the Fearless requiring slightly MORE effort. My guess a Transformer built into a Fearless size body but with some other minor quirks?  ... NICE.

APJ


I see you are also a student of his designs!  I also see elements of his other kites flight/trick characteristics in this one.  As you said, it seems like a fusion of capabilities. 

I am impressed with what I've seen - amazing yoyos, good speed and control.  This thing looks pretty precise as well.  I mean, even rolled up he was doing some decent figures.  Also, 2-3-4x rollups, rapid fire french flic-flack, side slides, JL, total control, nice stuff.  I'm glad that he threw a nice taz in there as well, to get a sense for how it moves.  Looks like a fun kite.

Lam mentioned a few things to me personally about the kite that I'd rather have him announce, but it looks like this one will be a bit different than his previous designs.  For a BIG HINT, check out the description on the youtube video.


-Tom


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on May 15, 2013, 05:12 PM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x_YZ8OcyDMA/UZQkRKJIKaI/AAAAAAAAJbs/ropjeeTNOyo/w600-h800-no/ATM.jpg)

Mike.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on May 15, 2013, 05:16 PM
I say:

"OH YEAAHH"!

(I'll take mine in red dye #7 please)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: asburyparkjohn on May 16, 2013, 04:11 AM
I think the one thing Zippy 8 and the other European flyers that may not experiment enough with Lam's kite on the the other side of the pond may not fully understand is the low amount of effort needed (i.e., small inputs since Lam is a small frame person) to trick his kites. I am 58 years old and I can still fly a dual kite probably as FAST as some of these (well not 25, but probably 35 year old flyers) with other models. I have not EXPERIENCED that with ANY OTHER KITE. Small inputs - easy tricking. Sure like everyone else I spent 100's hours on the beach over the last couple of years perfecting these tricks - so I can understand the Kool Aid sign thinking this is a fast track to easy tricking - of course this is not true - what a Lam kite does IS make it less effort (smaller inputs) to perform these tricks AND these kites do not hold back a particular type of trick whether it be belly up, belly down, etc.. NO EFFORT - small arm movements - less paces back and forth, etc . NOT KOOL AID - but less BODY MOVEMENTS ... that's why Zippy 8 alot of flyers move to REVS since they just stand in one spot and move there WRISTS ... they physically just can't handle duals anymore ... here is that alternative to stay with duals over 60 years old ... EASILY.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: alien on May 16, 2013, 06:08 AM

ATM= All Time Movie  ;D
Thanks tpatter   :-*
Lam isda man.  8)
Oh and hot SSSSSIIIIDDDEEE---SSSSLLLIIIDDDEEESSS   :P


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: sugarbaker on May 16, 2013, 07:09 AM
"Panels graphics design"... Curious to see that.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: thief on May 16, 2013, 07:13 AM
"Panels graphics design"... Curious to see that.
Maybe he will fill in the hole that Peter Betancourt left....love to see a Fearless with an RV on it!


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Allen Carter on May 16, 2013, 11:51 AM
"Panels graphics design"... Curious to see that.

Maybe he will fill in the hole that Peter Betancourt left....love to see a Fearless with an RV on it!


 :D :D :D :D


But that was an OKC. Those looked an awful lot like PBSKs, but the applique was nowhere near as good (and was a bit more "mundane" 

(http://web.archive.org/web/20021202073314im_/http://oregonkites.com/airstream.jpg)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on May 16, 2013, 11:59 AM
I think one of his Laminates™ should point him towards this (http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=63) for inspiration/caution.

Mike.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: thief on May 16, 2013, 12:07 PM
"Panels graphics design"... Curious to see that.

Maybe he will fill in the hole that Peter Betancourt left....love to see a Fearless with an RV on it!


 :D :D :D :D


But that was an OKC. Those looked an awful lot like PBSKs, but the applique was nowhere near as good (and was a bit more "mundane" 

([url]http://web.archive.org/web/20021202073314im_/http://oregonkites.com/airstream.jpg[/url])

Oh thank god.....


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on May 16, 2013, 12:14 PM
I think the one thing Zippy8 and the other European flyers that may not experiment enough with Lam's kite on the the other side of the pond may not fully understand...

I think I do at least understand the Fearless Devil that I have. I rate it very highly indeed although it's hardly quirk free.

What I don't understand - and what my Kool-Aid crack refers to (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid) - is the way that a small but highly fervent group of people, dubbed Laminates by one more worthy than I, react to each and every new kite from him by reaching immediately for their wallets. Is there any doubt that Lam has a sizeable order book based on this one video already ? Now if this is a cause of personal buoyancy, then good luck to all concerned. Live long and prosper.

But for the moment the Cash Machine (as I will henceforth think of it) is just another prototype. Nice video, mind.

Mike,
déjà vu.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Kantaxel on May 16, 2013, 03:48 PM
I say:

"OH YEAAHH"!

(I'll take mine in red dye #7 please)

Make mine Mango.
Got to fly our Fearless/Devil at the beach on Tuesday for six hours.  John is right about the small movements.........Not only that, but the ten vents handled some rare bumpy beach winds with ease..........I can't wait to try the ATM! Lam's kites may have some quirks, but they are pleasant ones, to say the least.
Jim


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on May 19, 2013, 04:49 PM
Up date, ATM is done testing, the kite fly Slow and good speed control even in high wind, Precision and Trick are very very good, I can say the ATM you can use the kite for Team flying. Hopefully make the next video and picture for the kite coming soon. Thank you.

Have a nice day.



Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: obijuankenobe on May 22, 2013, 04:57 AM
OK, what is a Fearless Devil?

I had a whole set of Sea Devils...kinda wish I still did. 

obi


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on May 22, 2013, 05:21 AM
OK, what is a Fearless Devil?
Here's one in my back garden.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BaxA95qWmrM/UGXJ_Y7FZDI/AAAAAAAAJJw/Ro35TmsKaBU/s800/IMG_0083.JPG)

It's a Fearless with part of the Sea Devil graphics.

Mike.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Kantaxel on May 22, 2013, 08:09 AM
OK, what is a Fearless Devil?

Here's one in my back garden.

It's a Fearless with part of the Sea Devil graphics.

Mike.


And here's one taken by Lam   'The Ultimate 2.3 SUV'

(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/3259/img6151b.jpg)



Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: obijuankenobe on May 22, 2013, 08:36 AM
So Mike, have you flown the Sea Devil?

Or is that your first glass of the Kool-aid?

obi


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on May 22, 2013, 08:41 AM
So Mike, have you flown the Sea Devil? Or is that your first glass of the Kool-aid?
I have no experience of the Sea Weevil. And it may be my first taste but I don't swallow..... as the actress said to the Bishop.

Mike.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: obijuankenobe on May 22, 2013, 09:20 AM
OK, what is a Fearless Devil?

Here's one in my back garden.

It's a Fearless with part of the Sea Devil graphics.

Mike.


And here's one taken by Lam   'The Ultimate 2.3 SUV'


([url]http://imageshack.us/a/img585/3259/img6151b.jpg[/url])




That one might be busy, but it actually does look pretty alright.

obi


Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: madhabitz on May 22, 2013, 09:46 AM
I finally got my yellow Fearless Devil (from TomP) after Zippy bought his right out from under me (heh).  I like it a lot,  but like my Fearless SUL even better.  I even bought the T-shirt to go with the first Fearless I got from Tom just because I thought it was so funny . I don't  think I've  drunk the KoolAid though.  I am more a DeepSpacerite. Now those are amazing kites!
(http://www.pbase.com/ghostherder/image/144690961/small.jpg)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: asburyparkjohn on May 22, 2013, 02:40 PM
Now that takes talent ... flying a Fearless then flying a Deep Space immediately thereafter with equal enthusiasm and equal trickability ... an apples & oranges Kool Aid flyer for sure!

 :D :D :D

APJ


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: jecko on May 22, 2013, 04:40 PM
Hmmm... I wonder what will an Automatic Fearless Sea Transformer DOA look like? :P


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: chilese on May 22, 2013, 05:22 PM
That depends....

Did you want the

SUL
Vented SUL
Mid-Vent SUL
Vented UL
Mid-Vented UL
Light-Std
Standard
Heavy Standard
Mid-Vent
Full-Vent

or variation of one of the above models?  :)



Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: temoniprince on May 22, 2013, 07:24 PM
That's why Zippy 8 alot of flyers move to REVS since they just stand in one spot and move there WRISTS ... they physically just can't handle duals anymore ... here is that alternative to stay with duals over 60 years old ... EASILY.

That made me laugh very hard.  >:( All i can say is, im not going to make this a 1000 page thread.........


Title: Re: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: madhabitz on May 22, 2013, 08:09 PM
Now that takes talent ... flying a Fearless then flying a Deep Space immediately thereafter with equal enthusiasm and equal trickability ... an apples & oranges Kool Aid flyer for sure!

 :D :D :D

APJ

Well, if I were any good at this flying stuff to begin with, then it might mean something I guess. On the other hand I haven't had a lot of trouble making the transition from one to the other. Both are pretty light touches.

I've had more problems adjusting from these two kites to a WidowMaker and Ocius and vice versa.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tempest on May 23, 2013, 04:11 AM
Hmmm... I wonder what will an Automatic Fearless Sea Transformer DOA look like? :P


Maybe sooner than you think  ....... :D  :D  :D


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on May 27, 2013, 01:43 AM
Time is runing, Kite is working. Will be another beautiful kite. I will post pictures as soon as I have it.

Thanks my friend.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: kepople on May 28, 2013, 07:01 PM
looking forward to seeing what my next kite will look like :-)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on July 19, 2013, 05:18 PM
And - a picture now!

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zTJl8iUMY2U/UeeN8od4fHI/AAAAAAAAD8Q/anCkvxZXRas/s800/photo.JPG)

Also, what may be mu color (a rendition)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4AvH78BVd0g/UeeN_OK3r4I/AAAAAAAAD8c/-zlGqfob5ok/s800/photo.JPG)

I do like it!  :)


Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: DD on July 19, 2013, 06:11 PM
A lam kite with out eyes? !


Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KaoS on July 19, 2013, 06:34 PM
A lam kite with out eyes? !

YAY!


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Lou on July 19, 2013, 08:38 PM
And - a picture now!

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zTJl8iUMY2U/UeeN8od4fHI/AAAAAAAAD8Q/anCkvxZXRas/s800/photo.JPG)

I'm sure the build quality is exceptional.  I can definitely see it's trick capabilities from the posted video.  I must admit though, for me, the panel layout just seems a bit mixed.  I just don't know.  Maybe a colorizer tool and some hot coffee and I can figure out some other pattern I would like.   ;)  I would have to sell a few custom ordered builds before I could afford a Lam special anyway.  :'(


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: vigli on July 22, 2013, 03:06 AM
Hi
Before few days I was flying my Sea Devil std.
My golden standards for the kite and my stile offcourse.
Jac. Ladder with it are so sweet and so balanced.
Not too deep turtle but I think that IS the magic of this kite, to do hower-look rotation on back during J.Ladder.
I can see a lot of kite flyer move to the newer kite which is normal, newer trick, step higher. ...
But, Sea Devil has pocket full of dreams...
 ;) Best....boris


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: kepople on July 22, 2013, 07:04 AM
I like the panel layout. Reminds me of a tribal scheme. I am thinking just like this, with flourescent Yellow center stripe would look good. Of course Red or purple would work also.

so may choices...


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: RobB on July 22, 2013, 04:40 PM
and a video - lots of cynique in here.  Perhaps this will be the kite I learn that trick on.


[url]http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151733023126162[/url] ([url]http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151733023126162[/url])

I almost find it hard to believe that you're having trouble with this trick... I've been watching your DOA video to try to learn the Taz. Not this week, but I feel a breakthrough soon !


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on July 22, 2013, 05:43 PM
and a video - lots of cynique in here.  Perhaps this will be the kite I learn that trick on.


[url]http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151733023126162[/url] ([url]http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151733023126162[/url])

I almost find it hard to believe that you're having trouble with this trick... I've been watching your DOA video to try to learn the Taz. Not this week, but I feel a breakthrough soon !



Haha - thanks Rob!

I'm the type of flyer that rarely breaks anything, even though I fly the kite aggressively at times. 

So, this trick sort of intimidates me a bit.   I was getting it down, snapped a lower spreader and then haven't worked it much since. 

I've been looking for an opportunity to fly with someone who has it down and learn from their inputs, but haven't found someone yet.  Clearly, I should drive up to BC and fly with Lam!  :)

Now that my Taz is pretty solid, I will circle back to it. 



Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on July 22, 2013, 05:47 PM
PS - perhaps I just need to be a little more 'Fearless'!  :)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: RobB on July 22, 2013, 06:10 PM
Just to clarify, the Cynique is just a Lazy Susan cascade, right ? Or is it a reversing multi-lazy ?


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on July 22, 2013, 06:45 PM
Just to clarify, the Cynique is just a Lazy Susan cascade, right ? Or is it a reversing multi-lazy ?

Reverse directions with no discernible 'stop'.  I'd consider multis fine, but critically speaking, I'd bet it's just one rotation before each abrupt direction change.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: rudyy on July 22, 2013, 08:27 PM
What a cool trick.

At what point the rotation is switched ..  the nose pointing at me switching to opposite hand pulling?

rudy


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: jaydub on July 23, 2013, 04:45 AM
Nose pointing away from you.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on July 23, 2013, 02:36 PM
Better version of the video


New ATM Sport Kite Prototype. Synique of the day :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZem-PpRIc#ws)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KaoS on July 23, 2013, 05:18 PM
... I was getting it down, snapped a lower spreader and then haven't worked it much since. 


Phew...not just me  :(


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: alien on July 24, 2013, 07:07 AM
tpatter,
thanks and "OH MY KITE!"
                           :P


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on July 25, 2013, 05:50 PM
Thanks Tom, I do appreciate your help. Anyway. The ATM has been tested for some time now when I was in VN for 3 months and now I am back. The kite fly friendly, fun, medium speed and very easy to do Synique and other trick and very good in precision. Kite will have 6 to 8 different colors, I will post the pictures when I have it. Price will be $289. Kite made out of Icarex PC 31. Kite will come with new LE connector, New knock for tip stand, New Sky Claws, and a nice bag just for the ATM. Competition Nose will be cover up like all my kite. Thanks for checking in.

Have a great day.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on July 25, 2013, 09:22 PM
$289!. :)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: coogee on July 26, 2013, 02:40 AM





                        I think it is Cynique and not Synique

                        Not an issue if you wish to use Synique do so

                         Mike


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on July 26, 2013, 08:07 AM
Thanks Mike, sorry I am French :) Maybe we should call this trick: Lazy Cascade, I think more people understand better this way :)

Have a nice day


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: coogee on July 26, 2013, 01:48 PM
Yep Lazy Cascade is good. Comete is another wording I have trouble spelling but Reversing Half Axels is a bit clunky. Have also had trouble with axel as I have spelt it axle. As neither you nor I are native French so it goes.
You also have a nice day Mr Lam


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: rudyy on July 27, 2013, 06:41 PM
do not realize I have tested flown the ATM 10 days ago until now ...


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on July 28, 2013, 09:22 PM
Rudy there is always next time my friend :) It was very nice flying kite with you at Garry Point :) you are smoking hot before I get there :)

Have a good day.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: kepople on July 30, 2013, 06:22 PM
taking orders yet?


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: photogbill on August 04, 2013, 08:26 AM
Thanks Tom, I do appreciate your help. Anyway. The ATM has been tested for some time now when I was in VN for 3 months and now I am back. The kite fly friendly, fun, medium speed and very easy to do Synique and other trick and very good in precision. Kite will have 6 to 8 different colors, I will post the pictures when I have it. Price will be $289. Kite made out of Icarex PC 31. Kite will come with new LE connector, New knock for tip stand, New Sky Claws, and a nice bag just for the ATM. Competition Nose will be cover up like all my kite. Thanks for checking in.

Have a great day.


$289  ??? .....HOLY Mackerel! If that wasn't a typo ....I think I just decided to buy my first Lam kite!  ;D

I like the new graphics as well ....with maybe a slight twist if Lam wouldn't mind! One of these below would be my choice in Purple or Royal

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5327/9437367408_e4ce5bdd74_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: zippy8 on August 04, 2013, 11:40 AM
Just to clarify, the Cynique is just a Lazy Susan cascade, right ?

No, no matter what you may read on t'Internet (http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/wiki9/tiki-index.php?page=Cynique).

A Cynique, as first introduced to the world, is an insta-reversing Lazy. The kite should suffer.

(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8546/photo0098dl.jpg)

Just absent mindedly slapping the kite hither and thither on its back, like it's in a rocking chair soaking up the sun on a backyard porch, ain't no stinkin' Cynique.

Meanwhile back at the ATM.... I'd be interested to know if this lower price point (and radically different graphics) means there is a new direction in how this kite is made. Or indeed by whom.

Mike


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: vigli on August 04, 2013, 11:46 AM
Beautiful kite...
boris


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: photogbill on August 04, 2013, 11:55 AM
... I'd be interested to know if this lower price point (and radically different graphics) means there is a new direction in how this kite is made. Or indeed by whom.

Mike

After hearing from Lam & deciding to order my first Lam Hoac kite (above posted #3) I was wondering the same thing! I'm hoping Lam will be making/building the kites 'himself' and was guessing that the significant reduction in price was due to his new model having normal straight line panels ...thus requiring much less work/time to make ...without any appliqué workmanship!

Perhaps Lam can verify if my thinking is correct.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: photogbill on August 04, 2013, 11:56 AM
taking orders yet?

If Lam hasn't contacted you yet ...you might want to email him! He took my order today!


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on August 12, 2013, 04:05 PM
Everything is going well and Very soon my friend. Thanks a lot.

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 03, 2013, 05:57 PM
Up date for the ATM, kite is ready but the kite parts are not not ready yet, I am sorry for the delay. I just wanted everything done right before install on the kite. Hopefully another two week. Thank you for your patience.

Have a great day.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: obijuankenobe on September 06, 2013, 06:27 AM
... I'd be interested to know if this lower price point (and radically different graphics) means there is a new direction in how this kite is made. Or indeed by whom.

Mike

After hearing from Lam & deciding to order my first Lam Hoac kite (above posted #3) I was wondering the same thing! I'm hoping Lam will be making/building the kites 'himself' and was guessing that the significant reduction in price was due to his new model having normal straight line panels ...thus requiring much less work/time to make ...without any appliqué workmanship!

Perhaps Lam can verify if my thinking is correct.

Previous designs were all single panel kites.  This is a true source of 'much less time to make' by most folks estimation. 

Panel seams (and error or variation therein) change the shape of the sail whereas applique does not affect sail shape in the same direct relationship.

There are only a few makers that make entire kites from scratch...icarex and sticks.  Very few.  Tim does. 

obi

obi


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 27, 2013, 12:22 PM
Update, ATM Machine are is coming next week :) Thank God.

Have great day !


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: trigger on September 27, 2013, 08:08 PM
Very excited!  I don't think Lam would want his name on something that wasn't of top quality and performance.  I have one with my name on it. I usually wait a bit longer for something like this but I feel the passion Lam puts into his work!  If only I could afford those kite bags!

Jim


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KaoS on September 28, 2013, 02:26 AM
Update, ATM Machine are is coming next week

Automatic Trick Machine Machine?  You mean they get made in a machine?  ???

That would be awesome to watch  ;)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KeithG on September 28, 2013, 06:23 AM
Hmm, Machine? really? There was another great kite flyer and person that used to build a "Machine" that when it could be had sold for a large sum of money. There was also another great person and flyer that built a kite (cough, cough, Viper) that had eyes on it long before the Sea Devil.

Hmm.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 28, 2013, 10:58 AM
Maybe some of you don't know about my history in kitting. Here is what I have done seen1986 until now. Kitting is always fun and have meet many good friends around the world and I had travel to many country and places for demo and Competition. I got slected for Red Bull Team show for few year.

I am only talking about my kite and I, no more no less. Thanks

http://www.skysportdesign.com/about/ (http://www.skysportdesign.com/about/)

http://www.skysportdesign.com/history/ (http://www.skysportdesign.com/history/)

Thanks for reading.

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: northwavesailor on September 28, 2013, 12:24 PM
Hmm, Machine? really? There was another great kite flyer and person that used to build a "Machine" that when it could be had sold for a large sum of money. There was also another great person and flyer that built a kite (cough, cough, Viper) that had eyes on it long before the Sea Devil.

Hmm.

KeitG,
As Corvettes are listed as one of your passions, how many auto makers use similar names for their cars? How many bells and whistles are on your Corvette and also on other high $$$ sports cars? Some of these ideas may have originated from General Motors design team, but many came from other automotive engineers and were 'borrowed' and used on later versions of the Corvette.

Kites, cars, computers, cell phones.................how many are truly 'first' or 'the only one' using unique designs?

I don't own a Lam Hoac kite, but I am interested in the ATM. Having put 'eyes' on previous kites or someone prior use of the word 'machine' has no bearing on why I may or may not like or buy a particular kite.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KeithG on September 28, 2013, 01:48 PM
No doubt, just about anything made had "borrowed" from others, but most of them give credit where it's due and not claim them as their own.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 28, 2013, 02:41 PM
My Dream Machine kite has Deisgned in 1996, so this is not borrow from anyone, I using my own old name from before, nothing new. If any one use the name machine after me and I have never complain or say anything.

I go to many places and I saw ATM every where on the street, so I came up with the name Auto Trick Machine. This cool name :) Is that some thing wrong with this name?

Have a nice day and go have fun with your kites :)

Peace !


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KeithG on September 28, 2013, 07:31 PM
No, nothing wrong with the name. What IS wrong is the way you treated a very good friend of mine down in St Augustine FL a few years ago. Remember tearing a huge hole in his Skymaster and the denying you did it when at least five people saw you do it? Remember telling him you would fix it for a fee? Remember when it came time to pay the hotel bill for the room you shared you suddenly had no money and he had to pay for it all? Remember the next year at St Augustine when he walked up to you and offered to shake your hand you said "I don't know you", and then walked away? I was there, I saw it all and I remember, so does my friend and so do a lot of other people that were there.

I do not give a rip if anyone on this forum believes me or not, I know this is the truth and so do a lot of other people. By the way I will have fun with my kites because none of them are made by you Lam and never will be.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 28, 2013, 08:34 PM
I talk to Dany before I came down and he offer me that I can stay with him, he said no problem at all, about the kite problem I don't remmeber everything now, But if I ever make a damage to any one kites I always fix it for free, that is my nature. You can ask anyone in the World and see for your self. I don't know where you got the story from. Dany and I are good friend for year, we chat on the phone for hours.

I just remember now, Dany show me his kite that kite that had 5 or 6 small pin little holes and I don't know why it get like that. It was not my problem, Maybe I did say I will fix it but to busy running around and forgot all about it.

Good day.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KeithG on September 28, 2013, 09:29 PM
Not the story he told me and others and not what I saw with my own eyes. I was there Lam I saw and heard it all. Look you build amazing kites and are a fantastic kite flyer and overall may be a good person, a great many people think so, I do not happen to be one of them for reasons I saw in person and the words that you spoke, so I'll leave it at that. If you and Dan talked things out after the events I'm speaking of then that's great. According to him that has not happened so someone is being less than truthful, I'll trust the friend I've known for over 10 years.   



Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 28, 2013, 10:32 PM
This is a long time ago ( maybe 15 years or longer ) and now bring it up, I can not recall everything, anyway, I am not that kind of person and everyone know that.

Either you believe me or not that is fine with me.

Good day !


Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: cerfvoliste on September 28, 2013, 11:12 PM
Hey Lam, I love you Bro...
Some people?
CV

Remember, No Matter Where You Go, There You Are.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: northwavesailor on September 28, 2013, 11:24 PM
I, for one, would like this thread to be about the introduction of Lam's new ATM kite, not old history!!!

I really love the clean graphics of the ATM and folks who own or have flown them seem to really like Lam's kites.

I need a little more time learning the basics but........ perhaps Santa will bring one down the chimney this year?


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: alien on September 29, 2013, 02:56 AM
 LAM'S "DA MAN"
 
Its lonely at the top.......... 8)
Seems like he's a celebrity now and whatever he does(good or evil) will be on trial..... ::)
Hot kites and flying,ENIGMA MAN.
Wish LAM tore a hole in one of my kites,i would tell my grand kids about it.

                                                   :-*


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: KeithG on September 29, 2013, 06:46 AM
Oh, I see the rules now, even if a person treats someone like crap as long as he builds good kites that's OK. Got it. Past or not history is history and it counts for something whether people like it or not.

Lam, as I said you do build amazing kites and have a lot of people that love you, that means something as well. I hope you have not done what you did to Dan to someone else since that time, people do change for the better sometime. As you said good day.

"There is none so blind as those who will not see" 

 


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: thief on September 29, 2013, 06:55 AM
Gentlemen, please take this outside. It does not belong here......


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on September 29, 2013, 07:51 AM
I am sorry Rob, I fly kite seen summer of 1985 until now, never had any problem with anyone about money and kite stuff. In Wildwood NJ, I even use make own money to buy grocery and cook for 13 to 15 people. Rob I would never make any trouble in here. Only help and talk about kite. Anyway, let's go on with the kite stuff. If any one ever need any help with your kite flying skill or technique, please feel free ask me anytime. I even willing to call you and explain detail each trick how does it work.

Thank you my friend.
Have a nice day.

Peace!


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: alien on September 30, 2013, 11:28 PM
How about a new video for all your Lam fans?
                                  :P


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on October 01, 2013, 08:31 AM
Here is a cool video of Magic Angel kite trick indoor that I come up with :) Enjoy !

My Magic Angel Glider kite by Lam Hoac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=539jJ7-dqCI#)

Thanks for watching

Peace!


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on October 01, 2013, 05:03 PM
And my ATM is on its way from The Great White North!  Can't wait.

-Tom


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: alien on October 02, 2013, 03:09 AM
Fanks Fearless............ 8)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: trigger on October 02, 2013, 12:34 PM
I hope to hear word on mine in the next day or two also.
Winds is starting to pick up around here.
 :)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tpatter on October 06, 2013, 07:27 PM
I got some time on it today.


(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zT6z_fOC_Q8/UlIY2A9eq1I/AAAAAAAAEC4/tQmI0sCo5_U/s800/photo%25203.JPG)

Short version:  It's the full-on Lam kite experience with no compromises due to it's lower price. 

Everything is there and easy, no oddities, if-ands-or-buts.  I've flown it in super low wind as well as 10 and liked it in both.  I can't wait to get it in some smooth lab grade stuff, hopefully soon!

One thing to mention for sure, Lam has cracked the easy-peasy Taz with this one.  All his kites Taz, and beautifully, but not always as easily as this one does.  Great work there and no side effects that I could find.

I'd say this kite is about perfect except for its lack of eyes!  :).   For all you holding out for a Lam kite without eyes, this is it.  I guess I will just have to get used to the fact that the kite is not watching me!  :)


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-smwO5hBLjt8/UlHSrdnpMvI/AAAAAAAAECE/9tLJTcoRZyg/s800/photo%25204.JPG)


Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: trigger on October 06, 2013, 07:57 PM
Great to hear!  beautiful pics also. Can't wait to grab the lines on this one!

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: tempest on October 07, 2013, 05:04 AM
tpatter   i am getting more anxious now  ;)   ,  and waiting patiently   :'( for mine to be delivered............
Fearless Object, i will be going to rudy y on the 22nd, and hope i receive it before i leave.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: vigli on October 07, 2013, 11:13 AM
After some air time It would be great someone to compare ATM with some other kite for example Sea Devil which is very neutral and forgiven kite ...
.......or Fearless for example...
I watch video on f.book-kite assembling.
Again, very hi standard in quality! :_)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: trigger on October 07, 2013, 04:34 PM
Mine should be in the mail tomorrow, hopefully have it for this weekend  8)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: vigli on October 07, 2013, 11:24 PM
Wishing You smooth winds ... :)


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: ezme6 on October 12, 2013, 01:27 PM
 8) got mine today...along with Lam's new indoor/outdoor glider Magic Angel.
Matching colors ;)

of course it is raining today  :D


Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: trigger on October 12, 2013, 02:10 PM
I got mine thursday...my video does nobody justice so i wont post it, but it did show 2.5-3.5mph on the wind meter and the kite flying and tricking. There is No oversteer at all. Build quality and attention to detail is great! The new yoyo stops work great and haven't got caught during my usual limited tricks.   
Overall... Very solid kite, great graphics, heavier than i thought but fly's as low, if not lower than the Zephyr. Loves to lock into turtles with nice lazy's! Wish i had good wind yesterday for it... 0000-4mph with 180degree direction changes.

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Title: Re: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: DD on October 12, 2013, 04:45 PM
Any comparison to "non eyeball" kites? Any external weights?  Who is making the sail?


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: trigger on October 12, 2013, 08:22 PM
ATM UL...
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1385364_654298827925826_790683864_n.jpg)
Now i just need some time off and a nice breeze. She did get some airtime today but the wind was almost non existant. I don't think the Zephyr would have been up for it.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Kantaxel on October 12, 2013, 09:03 PM
I got some time on it today.


Short version:  It's the full-on Lam kite experience with no compromises due to it's lower price. 

Everything is there and easy, no oddities, if-ands-or-buts.  I've flown it in super low wind as well as 10 and liked it in both.  I can't wait to get it in some smooth lab grade stuff, hopefully soon!

One thing to mention for sure, Lam has cracked the easy-peasy Taz with this one.  All his kites Taz, and beautifully, but not always as easily as this one does.  Great work there and no side effects that I could find.

I'd say this kite is about perfect except for its lack of eyes!  :).   For all you holding out for a Lam kite without eyes, this is it.  I guess I will just have to get used to the fact that the kite is not watching me!  :)


Nice colors Tom!

I can't wait to tug on it a bit. :P


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: Fearless Object on October 22, 2013, 11:39 AM
Here is the video for assembling two line kite, leech line & wing tips tensioning.

ATM Sport Kite Assembling Video and features just for the ATM. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h4d8LnRVz4#)

Thanks for watching.

Good day!

Peace.


Title: Re: Another new kite from Lam.......The ATM
Post by: RobB on October 22, 2013, 05:51 PM
Well, at least the bag has the famous eyes ! The more I fly my kites with eyes, the more I like the eyes... They give a good visual reference point as to which way the kite is pointing while doing tricks. Don't get me wrong, I really like the 2 Lam kites that I have that don't have eyes, too.

(http://ferob.com/kites/P1090150.jpg)