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Title: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: thief on May 15, 2013, 12:44 PM
holy beejeezus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=17lmeOfpxVU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=17lmeOfpxVU#)!

granted then this happens too....
Bert Kammerer - Alpine Heli Smackdown 2011 ( #2 flight - Crash) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbkhdioCHfw#ws)


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Flying Fish on May 15, 2013, 12:52 PM
Holy f**k indeed!  ???

Fun way to mow the lawn!!!


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: coop on May 15, 2013, 01:10 PM
When I first saw this a week or so back I thought the footage was sped up. ITS NOT.

Holy crap indeed....... ???


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: chilese on May 15, 2013, 01:40 PM
OMG

 ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: zippy8 on May 15, 2013, 01:46 PM
I have referred to this sort of "flying" in the past as dubstep physics.

The difference between super-gnarly, bleeding edge, hyper-wonderful, mega-skilled "smacking" (as they term it) and serious control issues is simply lost on anyone not deeply inside this activity. It doesn't help that one of the leading lights in the field finishes practically every video I've seen of him with a pile of smoking rubble where his helicopter used to be.

I, in a very real sense, don't get it.

Mike.


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: chilese on May 15, 2013, 02:20 PM
My dad would often say,

"It's the extremists who allow the moderates to get things done."

The "Top End of the Bell Curve" is usually someone or something

no one else wants, but still finds perversely fascinating.

Having seen those 2 videos was something I need do but once.


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Allen Carter on May 15, 2013, 02:53 PM
Absolutely no different than a Tricks Party. From a civilian POV.

Folks who cant see this aspect of sport kite trick flying need to look again. It's a very inscrutable activity.

Sometimes that's one of the things I like about it.  :)


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: zippy8 on May 15, 2013, 04:27 PM
Absolutely no different than a Tricks Party. From a civilian POV.
We're not a quite at the same level as The Man in the Street as we too play with flying objects and are familiar with aerial motion. Modern r/c heli. flying gets extra WTH points as everyone is au fait with how the full-size* things move about and it is NOT like that.

I've spent quite a bit of time watching videos and In Real Life and I simply cannot see how these competitions are judged. I don't see how one routine can be reasonably considered superior to another. It's a blur of chaos to me. In comparison, a freestyle kite is dawdling about the sky.

Mike,
* not real. R/C things are real too.


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: RobB on May 15, 2013, 06:27 PM
Just like the bystander who asks if your kite is broken, or maybe you could use a tail ?

These RC Helis look like they might be experiencing some sort of radio interference or mechanical control failure...

 :D


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: white wing lover on May 15, 2013, 06:35 PM
No "walk of shame" with these babies, the learning curve could get pricey... ;)


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: ko on May 15, 2013, 07:14 PM
Soooooo What could a heli like this do after being taken away from this obvious hack and flown by someone who knows what he is doing?.I mean come on! he cant even fly a straight line.Let alone keep the freakin thing right side up


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: JimB on May 15, 2013, 08:11 PM
I've had exactly One, that's ONE person who knew nothing about kites twig to the fact that I had just stalled a kite on purpose.

I've had exactly One, that's ONE person who knew nothing about kites get that I knew what I was doing, and only because they were looking at my hands not the kite.

So I guess that makes Two.

:)

Btw, I stay well back from any rc heli pilots around here. They really suck and suck hard. Too many close calls.



Just like the bystander who asks if your kite is broken, or maybe you could use a tail ?

These RC Helis look like they might be experiencing some sort of radio interference or mechanical control failure...

 :D


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: JayDee on May 15, 2013, 10:42 PM
Holy mackerel!

About halfway through the video, it occurred to me that this thing represents a helicopter, and I imagined what it would be like to sit inside a real one being flown like this -- or as close to it as the laws of physics would let you.  Might be a bit harder to digest than my first, rather innocent attempts at strapping a camera to my Widow Maker and flying tricks ;)


Title: Re: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: DD on May 15, 2013, 11:31 PM
I took look at this and go wtf but what really amazes me if the people standing near it, make a mistake and you get hit by a buzzsaw


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 15, 2013, 11:48 PM
Yes! I read about this guy.

He suffers from chronic hiccups and he's under treatment.
He flies helis as a therapy for better hand control but he has not been able to keep the RC sticks stable yet.

It is apparently an extreme case and therapy will be lasting for at least five years more.


Title: Re: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: JimB on May 15, 2013, 11:52 PM
Oh, it's not just the buzz saw effect. From personal experience; if they really hit the deck there can be shrapnel involved.

I took look at this and go wtf but what really amazes me if the people standing near it, make a mistake and you get hit by a buzzsaw


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: alien on May 16, 2013, 04:27 AM
What  :o
I like the guy in black on their left filming on the knee high tripod,love to see what he caught on card?
Needs an Epilepsy warning prior to viewing.
 No matter what stupid thing youve done or will do in life you are always beaten by someone better than you!


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: madhabitz on May 16, 2013, 08:25 AM
I took look at this and go wtf but what really amazes me if the people standing near it, make a mistake and you get hit by a buzzsaw
Those were my thoughts too. Insane!


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Texanpilot on May 16, 2013, 08:28 AM
No "walk of shame" with these babies, the learning curve could get pricey... ;)

Yeah, $50 for a minor crash.

I've started to get into the micro-size helicopters (6 inches long), and this is much more expensive than kites.  At least the micros are about $5 per 20 crashes.
But I can fly the helicopter in the house at night or on rainy days.


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: John Welden on May 16, 2013, 11:02 AM
Dear lord that's insane flying.  Mind boggling.

I do find it a lot like trick flying in that much if it looks like chaos. I'd love to see one of those pilots do a graceful routine.  I think it could be quite nice to watch. 

A goal for my own flying style has been to make it so a non kiter would find it to be under control and artfully executed.  I don't like any tricks that appear to be out of control or sloppy. If a non kiter tells me my flying looked pretty, it makes my day.

 I don't like most modern flying styles but greatly respect their skill. Same with the heli guys.


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 16, 2013, 12:33 PM
Dear lord that's insane flying.  Mind boggling.

I do find it a lot like trick flying in that much if it looks like chaos. I'd love to see one of those pilots do a graceful routine.  I think it could be quite nice to watch. 

A goal for my own flying style has been to make it so a non kiter would find it to be under control and artfully executed.  I don't like any tricks that appear to be out of control or sloppy. If a non kiter tells me my flying looked pretty, it makes my day.

 I don't like most modern flying styles but greatly respect their skill. Same with the heli guys.

+1


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: coop on May 16, 2013, 01:43 PM
Dear lord that's insane flying.  Mind boggling.

I do find it a lot like trick flying in that much if it looks like chaos. I'd love to see one of those pilots do a graceful routine.  I think it could be quite nice to watch. 


I wonder if they go through all the moves so fast because there is a time limit and they are judged on how tricks they get in?


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Kabel on May 16, 2013, 02:35 PM
http://helidaily.com/f3n- (http://helidaily.com/f3n-)-the-new-fai-official-format-for-3d-helicopter-competition/


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: vertigo2u on May 16, 2013, 02:49 PM
Haven flown the "real" thing.   8) I have Never found any interest in flying a toy one.  :(  Mom bought me a $100 one for Christmas.  Flew it once in the snow.  :D  Done.  I know what a chopper can really do.  These toys have no common reality to flying a Loach. OH6-A.  No loops, :-X  No upside down  :-\ ,No side ways  :-\ , No 360's.  :( Up/Down,Front /Back. Bank Turn.  ;D

There is a Field on the way to the Beach were the Macomb County Helicopter group flys.  Got their own field and space.  I never stop by and watch. Boring.  :-X :-X  Usually I see them while driving by.  I see smoke and something flying upside down.   :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

For me Sport Kites offer the Rush of acutally flying. and There is a Big Rush...... ( Surge of adrenalin ).









Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 16, 2013, 03:00 PM
It would be really interesting to have a camera on the heli recording the whole flight  :o

I bet my bottom Euro nobody would be able to watch it without throwing up their first meal...   :D

Well worth a sequence for an Xtreme Theme Park!  :D  :D


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Tmadz on May 16, 2013, 03:27 PM
That was really freaky. Almost too much so. After a minute I thought of a 2 year old just flipping the levers in a childish cartoon. It is probably real skill, but it's lost on me. Just like I don't expect others to know what I'm trying to do with Dual or quad line kites.

I do think kites have a leg up though because we are trying to use and focus the natural conditions rather than have direct control over the throttle and the ability to reverse oversteering. We can't just push the joystick backwards to fix an incorrect hand input. I think kite flying is more like golfing. You have to have it correct the first time to get the desired effect rather than having constant control.

It was cool though.


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: JimB on May 16, 2013, 09:10 PM
What's always been missing to me with the whole rc thing is the actual physical connection to whatever it is you are flying or motoring or whatever.

That's the interesting bit.

Take for example rc sailboats; love them when I see them; absolutely Zero interest in getting involved with them.

ymmv..


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: John Welden on May 17, 2013, 07:53 AM
What's always been missing to me with the whole rc thing is the actual physical connection to whatever it is you are flying or motoring or whatever.

That's the interesting bit.

Take for example rc sailboats; love them when I see them; absolutely Zero interest in getting involved with them.

ymmv..

Jim,

RC sailboat racing with a friend is pretty damn fun.  Nice thing about sailboats is that they are nice and  slow for dummies like me. With the cars and planes you have to be a 15 year old kid with lightening  fast reflexes.

Kites are more fun though!


Title: Re: watching this for me is like a non-flier watch a pheonmenal tricks party
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 17, 2013, 08:22 AM
What's always been missing to me with the whole rc thing is the actual physical connection to whatever it is you are flying or motoring or whatever.

That's the interesting bit.

Take for example rc sailboats; love them when I see them; absolutely Zero interest in getting involved with them.

ymmv..

Jim,

RC sailboat racing with a friend is pretty damn fun.  Nice thing about sailboats is that they are nice and  slow for dummies like me. With the cars and planes you have to be a 15 year old kid with lightening  fast reflexes.

Kites are more fun though!

I must say that the control and relationship of the pilot with a stunt kite is indeed special.
Nevertheless, I flew line controlled airplanes as a kid and the relationship was similar although you had to go round&round&round all the time.  ::)
I later flew RC sailplanes on the rising currents of a hillside. Of course you have no contact with the plane but having to carefully watch it to understand how the currents affect it and how you can best keep it up and start doing stunts is a really amazing feeling.
Plus, there is complete silence because you have no motors, only the wind and the wings of the plane cutting the air when you make a sharp pass in front of you.
So there are some great experiences in RC also.
I only stopped flying them because repairing them took too much time and effort.
I get more flying time with kites and much less hassle.
Cheers!