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Title: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 20, 2013, 01:00 PM
Hi,

I was almost hijacking the Monster thread and Kareloh was polite enough to suggest me opening this new thread.

Well as I was saying in the other thread, I really find the Le Quartz a difficult kite to fly.
I should have the bridle correctly set up as the plans mark. My build was quite clean and I cannot see any faults in the sail or any other part.
I have tried different tail weights: 0gr, 5gr, 10gr and 15gr.

None of the options satisfy me...  :(
I'm really sad because I put a lot of effort and motivation in the construction and I am extremely happy at the layout I chose and at the level of detail of my construction.
But the kite seems to be "stubborn".
I cannot make it do the same things I can do with the FW Soul and the Talon UL.
And these two kites are different enough to need some adaptation when passing from one to the other. So it is not that I cannot adapt to different flying modes...

Any comments on this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: chilese on May 20, 2013, 01:20 PM
A simple test you can do to check the bridle's overall drive performance:

1 Set the kite on your normal lineset in NO wind.
2 Launch the kite vigorously.
3 The kite should go up about 20 feet.

I prefer my kites to go up about 30 feet in this test.
This means my kites tend to fly in lighter wind, but trick less well.

Hope you find your problem.  :)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Steve Hall on May 20, 2013, 01:44 PM
Quote
This means my kites tend to fly in lighter wind, but trick less well.


How is it that I never thought of this excuse ... er ... line of reasoning?
 ;)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 20, 2013, 02:02 PM
A simple test you can do to check the bridle's overall drive performance:

1 Set the kite on your normal lineset in NO wind.
2 Launch the kite vigorously.
3 The kite should go up about 20 feet.

I prefer my kites to go up about 30 feet in this test.
This means my kites tend to fly in lighter wind, but trick less well.

Hope you find your problem.  :)


OK, thanks, I will try that.
So if the kite does not go up, what are the steps then?


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: chilese on May 20, 2013, 02:12 PM
Steve, you don't need any excuses.
You trick quite well.

_____________

Ara, the less the kite goes up, the "heavier" it is set up.

Many tricksters like their kites set very heavy as the kite
is easier to stall to start a trick and to pitch more quickly.

If the kite doesn't rise enough for you, shorten the upper
bridle legs. A quick test is just to wrap the upper bridle leg
once around the upper spreader connector. This will shorten
the upper bridle legs about 1". It's a quick and dirty test.

If you like the results, undo the wrap and move the bridle
knots to shorten the leg.

Here is a sheet I put together of other people's inputs on the subject:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qlY9mHJ0wCM/S2jSK2z5E2I/AAAAAAAAMvY/QZWvY92MGVU/s800/Bridle%2520Essentials%2520updated.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/20022001Kites#5433824034376192866)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 20, 2013, 03:14 PM
Ara,

Although I did use the default bridle adjustments listed on Tom's site I did need to make a few more adjustments.  I installed additional knotted adjustment connectors at every LE connector to allow me to "experiment" with different turbo bridle setups.  Especially since it was being assembled with low quality RSN and Nitro tubes I had no idea how it would behave compared to a project recommended Icarex sail and 6mm hi-modul pultruded tubes.

Simply, I use the standard bridle setup now that Hugo listed except I often will add 1.5 cm on the Uphaul on moderate winds 8-12 which gives me a good freestyle accessible kite. As Chilese describes as a heavy kite setup.  The Quartz seems to have always been described as a beginners kite that gives you access to most tricks available although none looking exceptional.  For me it lets the Quartz fall into deep backflips, susans and such rotate fairly flat, fades are easy enough to manage (again my current sail material is fair compared to Icarex) and yoyo based tricks don't seem to require anything more than moderate inputs. Although I seem to need to provide inputs at a slightly faster rate. Axles still come off a bit sloppy but I think its because I need more wingtip weight so I may change my P2X LLE to P3X or P300.   

P2X LE and Spine
Nitro STD Lower Spreaders
6mm pultruded US
16 G in tail
Uncoated RSN
I also have the inner standoff set at 240mm from Center T and the outer standoff 98mm from the inner standoff
Frame is definitely on the stiff side
Currently using 100/100 Skybond line.


I am by no means an expert in anything Freestyle but this kite, even with low grade materials, is still a fun, trickable kite that will soon get a replacement sail in Icarex once I locate some Mylar.
If you need any bridle options I found in different forum posts I would be glad to post later tonight or PM them to you.

**CONFIRMED OPTIONAL BRIDLE SETTINGS w/ EXPLANATION from Hugo on KB's forums***

We did find out that the cheapest frame (pultruded/higher flexing frame) is put under a lot of pressure by the bridle as it is made now.
When stacking up the tricks and the movements are fast and strong, the kite gets in trouble because the pressure isn't dropped from the sail fast enough. So we made a second bridle that takes care of that. A little bit more responsive too, that should be pleasing

Upper leg: 22.44 inches (57 cm), meassures are taken on the kite from the knot on the top to the point where the inner leg is connecting.
Lower leg: 19.09 inches (48.5 cm)
Turbo: 2.36 inches (6 cm)
Innerleg: 26.77 inches (68 cm)

As we had a strong wind when testing this bridle, it might be that the inner legs should be a tiny bit shorter. Sound advice here is to make short lines that attach to the kites frame and have little knots every quarter of an inch. That way you can adapt the bridle very easy untill you find the setting that you like best. But as I said, the above meassurements should be very close to perfect 
The original bridle is very good if you are a skilled pilot AND have a very stiff frame (on the kite!)

**********************

And of course on Christian's website the original bridle specs for Precision and Freestyle:

Précision :
Incidence : 49 cm
Extérieur : 48 cm
Intérieur : 62 cm
Turbo : 10 cm 

Free :
Incidence : 48 cm
Extérieur : 45,5 cm
Intérieur : 62 cm
Turbo : 8 cm 

******************

DWayne from Fractured Axle forums listed these bridle specifications:

.75oz nylon
P200 ULE and P300 LLE, P100 top cross and P300 spine.
20gms in the tail.
47cm upper, 43cm lower, 63cm inner, and 9cm turbo. It tracks a little better and turns a lot sharper.


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 20, 2013, 11:05 PM
Excellent Lou!
Thanks so much!!!

This is really useful.
The thing is that I used 6mm carbon tube for the LE in a single piece instead of using two pieces of conical tube.
From Hugo's description I might be getting too much flexion... Could that be?
Then changing the bridle might be the solution.

What I have experienced up until now is that the kite in low wind tends to bounce forward and backward when flying slowly up.Also it tends to oversteer and in axels it does them too fast and sloppy.
And when I try to do half axels or other tricks it tends to go into a turtle in a very stubborn way...

So I will try Chilese's suggestion and observe what happens.

I will also try the different bridle adjustments you published.

I really hope I get a good flying kite and recover my motivation on it!
:)



Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: chilese on May 21, 2013, 12:50 AM
If the kite is pecking "nose in and out as it flies",

the whole bridle may be too short, which would go along

with stressing the frame of the kite.

If you could add about 2 inches or so to every leg, the
pecking should go away and the frame would be less stressed.


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 21, 2013, 01:39 AM
OK great!
It sounds like we are indeed getting somewhere.
I have now many tests to do.
I'll report back when I have time to do them.
Thanks!


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Kareloh on May 21, 2013, 10:10 AM
Excellent Lou!
Thanks so much!!!

This is really useful.
The thing is that I used 6mm carbon tube for the LE in a single piece instead of using two pieces of conical tube.
From Hugo's description I might be getting too much flexion... Could that be?
Then changing the bridle might be the solution.

What I have experienced up until now is that the kite in low wind tends to bounce forward and backward when flying slowly up.Also it tends to oversteer and in axels it does them too fast and sloppy.
And when I try to do half axels or other tricks it tends to go into a turtle in a very stubborn way...

So I will try Chilese's suggestion and observe what happens.

I will also try the different bridle adjustments you published.

I really hope I get a good flying kite and recover my motivation on it!
:)




I have normal pultruded rods as LE in my Quartz as well, and like it a lot. Tried p200 and didn't like it AT ALL! :)

I guess there something not quite right with your bridle settings. It should have larger then normal turning radius with the original bridle setting though. I believe i've shortened the outhauls by 1 cm and tend to have it set quite heavily. Still it performs very well even in low winds. My Le Quartz has rollbars and 20 grams in the tail.

VF entry with my quartz in very little wind:
Virtual Freestyle Round 17 - KarelOh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOxsZzirNCM#ws)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 21, 2013, 10:51 AM
Wow! If I get my L'Quartz to fly like that I'll be one extremely happy man!

OK, this weekend I'll check all bridle configurations and will do all the tests and hopefully I'll win a new kite! :)

Thanks.


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 21, 2013, 03:19 PM
Ara,

I also just wanted to make sure that you did reference the frame diagram to ensure that every and all points do meet specifications.  I'm sure you did when building but just making sure.  I know I had originally improperly set the US approximately 25mm too low and the LS 40mm too low since I had not seen this image until after the assembly of my kite. Compared to the specifications listed it was very off and the kite behaved quite poorly.  In low winds it bounced and pecked somewhat as the upper portion of the sail was not properly tensioned by the US and the pitch rotations were off and quite slow as the bottom end LS were not properly balancing the kite.  Once set to the correct frame specifications everything worked wonderfully.  Again this kite has uncoated, higher stretch RSN and yet still flies quite well.

(http://users.skynet.be/cerfvolanttrick/quartz/structure.jpg)

Here is an inspirational image of my Quartz and the moon that my son captured this evening at dusk to motivate you....

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/c83f2261-65b3-44ff-9dda-81bbc963b30e.jpg)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Kareloh on May 22, 2013, 07:02 AM
Nice picture Lou!


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 22, 2013, 07:11 AM
Thanks Lou.
I'll also check these measures, although I followed the original plans.

Nice "warewolf" Quartz (follows the moon!)   ;)


@Kareloh, please check your PM's


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 22, 2013, 08:21 AM
Nice picture Lou!


I forgot to post the Parody VF that I helped my son make at home on his computer afterwards.  This is the original footage captured from where I got the snapshot of the moon.  He's only 13 and wanted the Yo-Yo he did to be posted. :)  Figured Ara and Kareloh get a good laugh to get the spirits up.  Between all the posted information online and all the great support on this forum you will get your Quartz flying very nicely again!

Zero Wind Yoyo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZudQ2RYTWc#ws)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 22, 2013, 10:01 AM
Beautiful!
Tell your son he's done a Yoyo before I have!
So I'm envious in a healthy way  :)

Yes, I'm looking forward to getting a nice kite.
Cheers!


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Kareloh on May 22, 2013, 11:45 AM
That yoyo doesn't look bad at all!!

 8)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 24, 2013, 10:49 AM
Hi,

I have not been able to do Chilise's test because it has been incredibly windy...   :(

However, I am finding some issues in my settings.

First, my standoffs were placed: inner at 200mm from center T and outer at 80mm from the inner.
So now I have modified them to:
I also have the inner standoff set at 240mm from Center T and the outer standoff 98mm from the inner standoff

The interesting thing is that the shape of the sail does look better now. Like more uniformly tense.

Now, I was checking the bridle.
I had used the original Christian's settings defined at Tom's web site: http://www.tweelijners.com/tom/tomskitesite-en/KBB5.html (http://www.tweelijners.com/tom/tomskitesite-en/KBB5.html)

But at some point I started messing around with the knots at the center T and so the Inner leg is now 58.5cm instead of 62cm.
The rest is fine.

I haven't changed anything yet because I want to do Chilese's test first to get the feel of what is going on.

Now, after I've done that, I would like to try this setting you gave me from Hugo's description but I don't understand one thing.
When he says at the beginning:
**CONFIRMED OPTIONAL BRIDLE SETTINGS w/ EXPLANATION from Hugo on KB's forums***

Upper leg: 22.44 inches (57 cm), meassures are taken on the kite from the knot on the top to the point where the inner leg is connecting.
Lower leg: 19.09 inches (48.5 cm)
Turbo: 2.36 inches (6 cm)
Innerleg: 26.77 inches (68 cm)


I don't get what he means by "meassures are taken on the kite from the knot on the top to the point where the inner leg is connecting".
The inner leg does not connect directly to the upper leg!
The inner leg connects to the turbo and NOT to the upper leg...  ???
So does he mean that he is including the turbo in this "upper leg" measure?

Thanks...


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 24, 2013, 10:59 AM
The standoffs can be set around 200mm/+98mm as some have done.  I tried that and it didnt appear to make too much change.  But, the sail did seem to have less tension.  I reverted back to 240/98mm.

Yes, the inner leg is assumed to be including the turbo portion.  That particular bridle setup they created for structil frames really pushed the tow points away from the frame reducing the stress load the shorter bridle setup created.  Let us know how it feels.  I may build a 2nd Quartz for my youngest child to crash around and would likely use that bridle setup.


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 24, 2013, 11:29 AM
Yes, the inner leg is assumed to be including the turbo portion.

You mean the upper leg, no?  ???


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 24, 2013, 12:10 PM
Yes, the inner leg is assumed to be including the turbo portion.

You mean the upper leg, no?  ???

The first measurement is the Uphaul line starting from the knot at the LE connector down to the adjustment larks head knot from which the turbo is a part of.  At least thats what I've understood it to be. :)  That's if you are using a bridle where the up/out hauls are one piece.  Rather than the US style Up/In haul being one piece.

So from a construction point of view I relate the Turbo as part of the inner leg or Inhaul, as it is physically one piece of bridle line that is larked to the Uphaul/Outhaul line.

From a pilot point of view I can see relating the Turbo portion as part of the Uphaul.  Although I would not take measurements in that manner.

I think Im making things more confusing! :)



Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 25, 2013, 03:07 AM
Right, but then why does he give a separate length for the turbo?  :-\


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 25, 2013, 07:01 AM
OK, I'm still not sure I understand... (I'm a bit slow)  ::)

Would this be the way to define the bridle with Hugo's settings?
(http://goo.gl/Jxqo4)

Or would the 57cm include the 6cm of the Turbo?

And what about the activator leg? There is no length provided...


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 25, 2013, 07:39 AM
Ara,

Based on your image above that is exactly how I would define the 2nd version bridle.  The "activator leg" is actually just a keep line and never creates any tension on any bridle leg.  At least it never should be.  So the activator leg length and its location would still remain the same.  You must look at the new lengths as material or bridle line added to the ends of the bridle configuration.  Since I had knotted pigtails at each connector I was able to play with these new bridle setups easily by moving each leg lower, lengthening each leg by 1.5 cm every knot I went down.  The Turbo length is simply the position/distance of the tow-line pigtail on the physical Inhaul line from the larks knot attached to the physical Up/Outhaul line.  That's why I have always considered the Inhaul and the Turbo one in the same because they are from the same single physical line. I do not believe there are any bridle measurements that ever list the Uphaul length inclusive of the Turbo length in their measurements. 

Translation of my terms for bridle legs in relation to your image  :)

Uphaul = Upper
Outhaul = Lower
Inhaul = Inner


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 25, 2013, 11:02 AM
OK, I just came back from flyi... looking stupid.  :-[
The wind was awful. Even my Talon UL was flying awful... and I lost a rollbar from the TalonUL...  :(

Anyway, since the wind was coming and going, I did the tests Chilese suggested for the L'Quartz when no wind was blowing.

1. Without changing the current configuration I had on the kite, I pulled a strong launch and observed. The kite went up around 6m. So that sounded correct.
2. I then corrected Inhaul from 58.5 to 62. Tried again. Not much difference...
3. I then put a twist in the uphaul around the US as Chilese suggested. Tried again... Not much difference
 :-?
4. I then decided to put 15g of tail weight (before it had 10g). The kite went up around 4m.
So I decided to try to fly with the new weight and the bridle set at standard lengths set by Chris (and no extra twists or any other changes).

It seemed to fly smooth and half axels were allright.
No possibility of doing 540's...  :(
This trick I can now do with a very high percentage (90%) of success on my Soul and Talon UL
On the L'Quartz the kite will not do the uneven flair when given sudden slack to then allow for the final pull.
When I give slack the kite just turns as if I were doing a push turn...
:-?

When flying smoothly, if the wind suddenly drops low, the kite starts pecking. And if the wind dies out, the kite backflips once or twice with real ease...
It is as if the kite were unbalanced, but I have tried with 15g, 10g and 5g tail weight and it always does that...

I will modify the bridle to the alternate setting when I have some time. Once I try it I will report back.

However, I am still feeling quite confused and blue about my L'Quartz
 :(





Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 25, 2013, 11:36 AM
OK, I just came back from flyi... looking stupid.  :-[
The wind was awful. Even my Talon UL was flying awful... and I lost a rollbar from the TalonUL...  :(

Anyway, since the wind was coming and going, I did the tests Chilese suggested for the L'Quartz when no wind was blowing.

1. Without changing the current configuration I had on the kite, I pulled a strong launch and observed. The kite went up around 6m. So that sounded correct.
2. I then corrected Inhaul from 58.5 to 62. Tried again. Not much difference...
3. I then put a twist in the uphaul around the US as Chilese suggested. Tried again... Not much difference
 :-?
4. I then decided to put 15g of tail weight (before it had 10g). The kite went up around 4m.
So I decided to try to fly with the new weight and the bridle set at standard lengths set by Chris (and no extra twists or any other changes).

It seemed to fly smooth and half axels were allright.
No possibility of doing 540's...  :(
This trick I can now do with a very high percentage (90%) of success on my Soul and Talon UL
On the L'Quartz the kite will not do the uneven flair when given sudden slack to then allow for the final pull.
When I give slack the kite just turns as if I were doing a push turn...
:-?

When flying smoothly, if the wind suddenly drops low, the kite starts pecking. And if the wind dies out, the kite backflips once or twice with real ease...
It is as if the kite were unbalanced, but I have tried with 15g, 10g and 5g tail weight and it always does that...

I will modify the bridle to the alternate setting when I have some time. Once I try it I will report back.

However, I am still feeling quite confused and blue about my L'Quartz
 :(





I am truly confused also with what could be wrong.  Let me also advise I have my entire frame in P2X, with Nitro Standard LS and a 6mm US.  So my kite is a bit lighter than a complete pultruded frame with 5PT LS.  I don't exhibit what you describe as far as flight behavior in any wind.  The Quartz for me Flares quite easily and into Fades just as easy.  Lateral Rolls from Fades also with no issues so my setup feels quite balanced.  I can fly downwards and setup into an Uneven Flare for Axle tricks like the 540 with some input adjustments. I unfortunately still lack the sail quality, although quite honestly hasn't affected me all that much for now.  My inputs just need to be a bit more defined and premeditated.

The Inhaul adjustments should impact your turn radius for the most part.  Although aggressive changes with the Inhaul does affect the toe point position within the sail and overall distance from the sail.  This of course affects flight characteristics.  Definitely try the Revision Bridle and please let us know if there are any notable changes.


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: kitebug on May 30, 2013, 09:50 PM
Sorry to hear that you cannot get your LEQuartz to fly well, something must have been missed in your build

There are few of us that have built this and it is a great kite! I personally have pretty much flow through mine, i need to build a new one, my first one is so beat up now. it is my go to fun kite.

hope you can resolve your issues.



Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 31, 2013, 01:32 AM
Sorry to hear that you cannot get your LEQuartz to fly well, something must have been missed in your build

There are few of us that have built this and it is a great kite! I personally have pretty much flow through mine, i need to build a new one, my first one is so beat up now. it is my go to fun kite.

hope you can resolve your issues.

Thanks kitebug.

Three questions please:
1. Which bridle are you using?
2. What tail weight are you using?
3. What do you envision could have gone wrong in the building process?

Perhaps you could check some of the steps I have published here:
https://plus.google.com/photos/107184604178095062123/albums/5827053007099493201 (https://plus.google.com/photos/107184604178095062123/albums/5827053007099493201)
And here are some pictures of the finished kite and a short video of the maiden flight:
https://plus.google.com/photos/107184604178095062123/albums/5827058912730569185 (https://plus.google.com/photos/107184604178095062123/albums/5827058912730569185)

It would be a great favour if you could please review some of my construction steps.

THANKS!




Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 31, 2013, 04:59 AM
Ara, I don't know if this will  help, but looking at your photograph of your bridle, if the line you have marked as an 'activator' line is actually a keeper line ( to stop the bridle catching around the tail), it does look a bit short to me.  it may be the angle of the photo but if it is short it might well be restricting the movement of the bridle - a keeper is usually quite loose - it only needs to be just short enough to stop the tail catching.  If it were me I'd untie one end of it and give your kite a fly.   It may help, it may not but if it doesn't it's a quick job to reattach it.

Thanks Steve, but that picture is from Tom's build process web site. So the tags with the names for the different parts were provided by Tom.
I just reused it to make sure I was changing the sizes correctly according to the bridle set-up that Lou was providing from Hugo's definition.

However, my bridle should currently be  very similar to that one...
You can check these two pictures for my real bridle:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MExRsNnJBsU/UN3fkt92g5I/AAAAAAAABfQ/7VSUyfAq9Io/w1127-h845-no/20121228_131059.jpg (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MExRsNnJBsU/UN3fkt92g5I/AAAAAAAABfQ/7VSUyfAq9Io/w1127-h845-no/20121228_131059.jpg)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gyf2vssl0Fw/UN3fhMRFH4I/AAAAAAAABfA/0VR6sVP-9Bs/w1127-h845-no/20121228_124706.jpg (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gyf2vssl0Fw/UN3fhMRFH4I/AAAAAAAABfA/0VR6sVP-9Bs/w1127-h845-no/20121228_124706.jpg)
I have to check, but I would say my keeper line is not that tight...

In any case, I was planning on building Hugo's bridle this weekend if I have time... (I have to fly my newly acquired Illusion too, so little time... argh)



Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on May 31, 2013, 09:20 AM
Everything looks very similar if not exactly to mine.  Of course images online cannot compensate for hands on review and flight time.  My understanding is P200/P2X tubes are pretty much the same as Structil in weight and very close to P200 in flex.  So our LE and Spine flex would feel very similar.  The stock bridle should be fine.  I am using Nitro STD Lower Spreaders which I am sure is much stiffer than the 5PT or Structil LSs people have used.  This might be where there is some difference in feel of its flight characteristics.  With that in mind, what exactly is your gut feeling on what is wrong.  Balance?  Precision? Responsiveness?  I just added Roll Bars to my Test Quartz to see how it would fly with the added weight and change in balance.  The Quartz seems to take on the burden with ease and isn't affected much at all.  She isn't so flippy/pitchy also now which I somewhat like.  Yoyos seem to flow smoother also although a tad bit slower.  I can't seem to put a finger on what the major issue might be and if you look at my images below the un-coated sail material has a good amount of stretch distortion at this point but yet still flies well enough.  Are you sure it may not just be expectations of this kite are set too high.  I having built this kite with no expectations of good performance was happily surprised.  Could it be just that? Still please let us know about the updated bridle.  I was thinking of trying that bridle along with a 3-point variant. 

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-05-30_20-46-06_275.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-05-30_20-46-48_527.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-05-30_20-47-29_152.jpg)

Here's another humorous video to keep your spirits up.  This is a parody video to Krijn's Invictus Video.  Please don't laugh too hard.  I'm still only 2 months into freestyle flying and my kids are getting better faster than I am!

Muse Kite Tribute Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To6BjYz3DCM#)


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Lou on June 04, 2013, 10:16 AM
Ara,

Any luck with a newly installed bridle?  I am still interested in your opinions on this different bridle.  I just received more bridle line on spool so I think I may try this configuration myself this weekend.


Title: Re: Disappointed by the Le Quartz
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 04, 2013, 01:33 PM
Ara,

Any luck with a newly installed bridle?  I am still interested in your opinions on this different bridle.  I just received more bridle line on spool so I think I may try this configuration myself this weekend.

Hi Lou, thanks so much for your interest.
Unfortunately I'm having a lot of work lately and has kept me busy even on weekends. Hence I have not been able to make the new bridle... :(

I will report immediately when I get some time to make the bridle and test fly it.
Cheers.