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Title: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on May 28, 2013, 01:27 PM
For another forummember (you may reveal yourself) I'm building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense STD Pro.
I'll show every step in the build. There will be some pinstriping.

Today all the materials arrived at my place.
This is what happened this evening:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2s6k761.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2z5knyo.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/nzrcef.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2rmr4n9.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/f262yg.jpg)

It may not be clear in the pictures (all panels are double), but the Magnet will be Black-White-FluorYellow and the Sixth Sense Black-DarkGrey-White.

I hope it is clear that it is no longer possible to change the colors... (it took a few mails to decide the colors for both kites).

Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Stuart99 on May 28, 2013, 01:47 PM
Cool! I love these threads. Are you building the tail section on the Magnet as to the plans, or are you doing something different? That's the one part of that plan I can't wrap my head around. Both kites are going to look good.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on May 28, 2013, 04:19 PM
Cool, another build thread that I can actually use as I have my materials ready and will also start cutting the SS templates out.  Wait I still have no Mylar...gahhhh!  Well, love to follow along and great thing is I can always come back to this thread and use a reference once I'm ready.  Thanks Krijn!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: WolvenX on May 28, 2013, 05:35 PM
Thanks for this!!  I really love seeing how members build their kites.  Always helps to have new ideas re a build.

Keep up the good work.  :D


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on May 28, 2013, 11:30 PM
thanks guys  :)

Are you building the tail section on the Magnet as to the plans, or are you doing something different? That's the one part of that plan I can't wrap my head around.

yes, it is quite an easy solution
i can crib a my own magnet, which was built by the designer himself (last prototype)

(if you need a fast hint, i can make a picture of a magnet i built last month (for a friend))

Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on May 28, 2013, 11:33 PM
Thanks for this!!  I really love seeing how members build their kites.  Always helps to have new ideas re a build.

Keep up the good work.  :D

+++++1 !


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Stuart99 on May 29, 2013, 05:34 AM
thanks guys  :)

Are you building the tail section on the Magnet as to the plans, or are you doing something different? That's the one part of that plan I can't wrap my head around.

yes, it is quite an easy solution
i can crib a my own magnet, which was built by the designer himself (last prototype)

(if you need a fast hint, i can make a picture of a magnet i built last month (for a friend))

Krijn

A picture would be great!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Kareloh on May 29, 2013, 06:47 AM
Detail shots of the plan/build available on:
http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1274 (http://www.kareloh.com/?page_id=1274)

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Spine-Tensioning.jpg)

(http://www.kareloh.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tail.gif)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on May 29, 2013, 07:07 AM
funny: the magnet i built was also with gold in the centre:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/ddcbck.jpg)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Stuart99 on May 29, 2013, 01:03 PM
thanks!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on May 31, 2013, 01:11 PM
Everything glued:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/i606qp.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/8ycbhl.jpg)

For the pinstriping I use spinnaker tape with a width of 2.5 cm.
I cut it in pieces of the needed length plus a few centimeters.

With the soldering iron I make three strips of 8mm (the remaining 1mm is melted away :D)
Then I simply glue it on the seam (which is 7mm - or sometimes 8mm) and stich it like a normal seam.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on May 31, 2013, 01:40 PM
Sorry I am late... Just tuning in to watch my kites being built...
I must say I really appreciate You doing this for me, and I can already tell the quality will be top notch.

That magnet sail... whew... thats hot.
Sixth sense sail... Classy

BTW: hope you can put some time on these birds before sending them across the pond. Would be great to see what they can really do in a video.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: WolvenX on June 01, 2013, 12:11 AM
What glue do you use?  There are so many I'd like to know which you feel is best. Thx


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 01, 2013, 02:47 AM
It's coming out nicely!
Loads of work for the pin-striping, isn't it?!

Do these sails have a curved spine seam?
If so, how do you go about the glueing and sewing?
This is a step I am always anxious about... I don't know whether I'm giving the right curvature or not...


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 01, 2013, 01:42 PM
I hope you can put some time on these birds before sending them across the pond. Would be great to see what they can really do in a video.


Ok, thanks for that. I like to fly them to check the bridle and weight. A video? Maybe.



What glue do you use?  There are so many I'd like to know which you feel is best. Thx


I do use a Pritt-roller, like this:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/cm9as.jpg)

You can make strips of glue, with a width of 6 mm: exactly what we need!
(http://i44.tinypic.com/30d7xqa.jpg)

I do not glue the entire seam, only a bit every few centimeters. It works great. I also use this glue for the Leading Edges and all the reinforcements. I doesn't stick to the needle of the sewing machine.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ddyltw.jpg)



Loads of work for the pin-striping, isn't it?!

Do these sails have a curved spine seam?
If so, how do you go about the glueing and sewing?
This is a step I am always anxious about... I don't know whether I'm giving the right curvature or not...

The pinstriping isn't that much work. I takes some time to make the 8mm-strips, but that's all. And I think some kites look fantastic with pinstriping. Especially kites with straight lines; like the Sixth Sense.

Sorry, no curved spine. But I've got experience with that (Essence, Quartz, B'Zar), but I never saw it as a problem. If you have finished the two halves of the sail, just overlay the two part with the 6 or 7mm asked for. Also after the bend. Glue it, stich it. Yes, it will bend upwards, but just ignore that; it will be okay if you tension the kite.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 01, 2013, 01:53 PM
Okay, enough for that 3-step-Zigzag now: I've finished the four halves.
One big mistake so far: after finishing the Sixth Sense-sail, I turned to the Magnet. I forgot to adjust the sewingmachine... The Sixth Sense has got a 7à8mm overlap, the Magnet's is 6mm. The first stitch was a bit to wide for the seam... But don't worry, Kirby. I made two new panels and everything is perfect now.
No further errors so far!

Some pics for Kirby.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/34zx9x1.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/fwr9y0.jpg)

Maybe you can see that this stitch is a bit narrower:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/x6n97p.jpg)

A blend:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2vt3bz8.jpg)


Next: Trailing Edge and Leading Edge: a lot of folding.

Krijn


ps Please don't miss my answers of a few questions at the bottom of the previous page.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: sugarbaker on June 01, 2013, 02:19 PM
Nice work Krijn, I'm always happy to see build threads.  I like your glue device... Perhaps I'll look for one to try on my next kite.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: WolvenX on June 01, 2013, 02:35 PM
Thx Krijn, for the info on the glue.  Better still it's available in Australia.  :P


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 01, 2013, 07:07 PM
looking great!
I wont notice the stitching...

It will fly great..


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 02, 2013, 02:53 AM
Trailing Edges done. Also some reinforcements.

For Stuart: the back:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2r6dvub.jpg)

And the front (I'll make a pic of the next step):
(http://i40.tinypic.com/v2qwwo.jpg)

Sixth Sense centre and tail:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/dm3dcz.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/33kvg36.jpg)



Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 02, 2013, 05:12 AM
Very neat sewing and coming out nicely.
Very instructive also.

Why do you chose the one step zig-zag for the reinforcements as opposed to the straight sewing?
It looks very nice but also more difficult to control...
Is it only aesthetics or is there another reason?


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 02, 2013, 01:32 PM
Why do you chose the one step zig-zag for the reinforcements as opposed to the straight sewing?
It looks very nice but also more difficult to control...
Is it only aesthetics or is there another reason?

Do you think I can stitch straight?
No, I can't.

When I use a straight sew, it shows directly how sloppy I am, curves from left to right.
When I use a zigzag, all those little bends aren't noticable! The control is as easy as a straight sew.

And yes, I think it also looks better.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 02, 2013, 01:47 PM
So, Leading Edges also done (no pictures).

Again for Stuart, the Magnet's tail.
Cut the tail, the bottom bit should be 2.5cm (not clear in instructions!). Maybe this should be done before adding the Dacron, but it is only a few cm's.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2v81kap.jpg)

Fold a 2.5cm wide Dacron over the tail.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2ryro8h.jpg)

And stitch it:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/w1woyf.jpg)

Now a small hole and we are ready. The leechline is also viable on this picture.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rqn6v6.jpg)


The Magnet's centre-piece:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/5d1m9z.jpg)

The nose:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qsz6no.jpg)

And the sail is ready!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/34dgb3a.jpg)


Tomorrow: nose Sixth Sense and both sails are ready.

After that: framing.



Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 02, 2013, 02:50 PM
Do you think I can stitch straight?
No, I can't.

LOL   :D   :D


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 02, 2013, 02:51 PM
Tomorrow: nose Sixth Sense and both sails are ready.

After that: framing.

Krijn

Wow! That's fast!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 02, 2013, 07:20 PM
wow, are you ever going fast on these birds!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: alien on June 03, 2013, 04:13 AM
Krijn,
i am lovin this post.
Looking very nice.     :P


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 03, 2013, 08:28 AM
Sixth Sense nose. Top-right: you can see my machine doesn't like Dacron. It misses a stitch every 60cm...
(http://i40.tinypic.com/353ch08.jpg)

And second sail done.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/11140fq.jpg)

Still need the sewing machine for the bags...

That's all for today.
Framing on wednesday/thursday.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 03, 2013, 09:12 AM
Incredible progress...  I can't wait til I get to a level of comfort where I can press through multiple builds in good time!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 03, 2013, 10:28 AM
Wow, the sixth sense looks really nice...

Would it be too much trouble to change the color scheme now?

...


 :D

Kidding, I love it!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 03, 2013, 11:46 AM
Wow, the sixth sense looks really nice...

Would it be too much trouble to change the color scheme now?

...


 :D

Kidding, I love it!

I do like the black/charcoal scheme w/ pinstripes.  I have a nice blue color PC-31 and wondered if it would look good if I copied that color scheme exactly, except replace the White with Blue.  Might be a bit much.. not sure.?!?  I still have time to work on multiple SS sails and figured maybe now is the time since this post has compelled me to make more changes to mine! LOL


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Kareloh on June 04, 2013, 07:39 AM

Do you think I can stitch straight?
No, I can't.

When I use a straight sew, it shows directly how sloppy I am, curves from left to right.
When I use a zigzag, all those little bends aren't noticable! The control is as easy as a straight sew.
And yes, I think it also looks better.
Krijn

Forgot to do this with my Sixth Sense... used a straight stitch and its the one thing i regret.



Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 06, 2013, 10:26 AM
Is it me or did I notice that there is no Mylar reinforcement on the spine of both kites?  I have always assumed even when plans don't show the 25mm strip of Mylar for the spine it is still required or strongly recommended.  Please let me know if in most instances it is not.  I actually happened to first notice that on the Monster plans and images of the Monster from Christian Derefat.  No Mylar used on spine.  I would have guessed this SS may have been a UL to where spine Mylar wasn't used but I see from the wing pattern the STD model of Mylar was sewn in.  Anytime I can preserve materials I will!  :)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: chilese on June 06, 2013, 10:59 AM
It is my understanding that Ken McNeill has personally

sewn over 5000 sails without reinforcing the spine beyond

sewing the normal panels together.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 06, 2013, 11:05 AM
I've done it with my Quartz, as was asked for in the plans.
And the B'Zar UL 2009, also in the plans.
Never again.

None of my kites (I've got a lot [SkysportDesign, Alphakites, Diamondkites, Level One, ViperSportKites, Lumokites,  etc.]) has got the Mylar in the middle.
Yes, I remember Jest of Eve uses it in the Talon.

Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: chilese on June 06, 2013, 11:13 AM
The JoE Trident has mylar along the spine:

Clickable™
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2ytScW_Lt3A/S197ds8rrMI/AAAAAAAADGk/t9UJ3WBoYfk/s800/53037%2520Trident%2520UL.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2006Kites#5431195425844210882)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: thief on June 06, 2013, 05:42 PM
It is my understanding that Ken McNeill has personally

sewn over 5000 sails without reinforcing the spine beyond

sewing the normal panels together.
There are over 5000 blue moon kites out there? That would raise my eyebrow....


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: chilese on June 06, 2013, 07:56 PM
Not just Blue Moon.

Don't forget Aerie Kiteworks.

and now Ken McNeill Fab.

The man has been making kites a long time.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 07, 2013, 01:14 PM
Magnet ready. Hmm, no, I still have to make the bag...

Centrepiece. The FluorYellow bridleline fits the kite perfectly! You can also see the bungeecord as tensionsystem for the leechline.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/33eh34j.jpg)

Tail.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2vs233a.jpg)

Wingtip. I made a loop in the leechline and sew it at the end of the trailing edge. (Not my own idea, I saw it first at a Sugarbaker's kite, but probably someone else did this before him.)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/32zpbhe.jpg)

Magnet.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/wtvwqu.jpg)


Sixth Sense is still sail only.



Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: coogee on June 07, 2013, 02:37 PM
Nice, love the Magnet. The matching fluro bridle line is a great touch.
 Mike


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 07, 2013, 02:49 PM
Looking sweet, can't wait to see the Sixth Sense!


Title: Re: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: jecko on June 07, 2013, 07:18 PM
It's a beauty,Krijn. I can imagine the owner flying it with a big grin. :-)

sent from  samsung video player


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: alien on June 07, 2013, 10:46 PM
VERY TIDY   :-*


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 08, 2013, 01:21 AM
Excellent Krijn!

Looks beautiful and solid.
When is mine coming up?!  ;)  :D  ;D  ::)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 09, 2013, 05:47 PM
Wow! That looks great Krijn!

Flour bridle line does look great.

Sorry my sons birthday party yesterday kept me away from the forums...


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: sugarbaker on June 09, 2013, 08:27 PM
(Not my own idea, I saw it first at a Sugarbaker's kite, but probably someone else did this before him.)

I have seen a couple variations on this theme for wing tip tension... I don't recall if I've ever seen another kite exactly the way I (and now Krijn) have done it, but as he stated, I can't claim it as an original idea.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 09, 2013, 09:02 PM
(Not my own idea, I saw it first at a Sugarbaker's kite, but probably someone else did this before him.)

I have seen a couple variations on this theme for wing tip tension... I don't recall if I've ever seen another kite exactly the way I (and now Krijn) have done it, but as he stated, I can't claim it as an original idea.

Cool, that means I can snag that design for my next builds... :)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 12, 2013, 02:12 PM
Done.

Sixth Sense centrepiece:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2uo5mo8.jpg)

Tail (fold-over with velcro):
(http://i44.tinypic.com/33u6dlw.jpg)

Nose:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2u7lsnb.jpg)

Upper Apa:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2n6rr47.jpg)

Backlit:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/6ien35.jpg)


Tomorrow/friday I'll check if it flies the same as mine.
Magnet has already flown. Later more, but for now: very satisfied about it!



Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 12, 2013, 02:45 PM
Looks super good.  Hopefully we'll see a short video on her flight before she comes over the pond!  Every time I see SS's I keep wanting to change my current color scheme.  I may just need to make a few to get the color combos out of my system.  :P

**Krijn PM sent earlier, thanks!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: trigger on June 12, 2013, 08:54 PM
You guys are KILLING ME!

I already told my wife I'm thinking about building my first kite. at first she thought I was nuts(mainly cuz I never sewed in my life), now she is almost behind me on it.

your kites are AWESOME!

Her mom owns a quilt store and has $10k sewing machines, we are going to visit in July and I am going to soak her for every ounce of sewing info I can get!

love seeing the pics, keep them coming
Jim


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 12, 2013, 09:04 PM
 :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

WOWWOWOWOWOW!
Man, that looks Awesome...
Do tell, how did the magnet fly?

BTW: Keep flying as long as you want...no need to rush them over...its getting unpleasantly hot here now.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 14, 2013, 02:42 AM
Do tell, how did the magnet fly?

Ok, here we go:
Your Magnet is better than mine. In any way: I like it a bit better. Last weekend I tried it out at a small festival. It was first out of the bag  ;D.

The precision is very good (it is just a small 220cm kite) and the Yoyo's are a bit faster (which I always like).
I can do a lot of tricks, and so does this Magnet!
Jacobsladders - easy.
Backspins - flat.
Yoyo's - fast.
Tazmachines - easy, flat and fast  :D.
Multilazies - no problem.
CrazyCopter - a bit harder than on mine, but they are there.
Cynique (I had to try) - yes (use firm inputs).
A bit more noisy than my Magnet (may change after a few more flights).

The appearance in the sky is striking. Very nice. The White looks LightGrey, I think we have to blame/thanks the FluorYellow for that.

Someone did shoot some in-flight-pictures, they will come (Monday, I'm not at home this weekend.)



Krijn


Title: Re: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: madhabitz on June 14, 2013, 09:02 AM
You did an amazing job on these kites- wonderful fun to follow this thread.  I'm looking forward to seeing it fly.

Nancy


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 16, 2013, 12:55 PM
Some pics from Bakel, made by Lars Fakkeldij:

Yes, my car and tent (left). Waking up, grab a kite and fly!
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2jg75p4.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/4gq6j5.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/34drm2r.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/1qj0ag.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/nno29y.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2nunneo.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2wfmxya.jpg)



Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 16, 2013, 02:06 PM
 ???   ???   ??? ...  ???


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 16, 2013, 06:51 PM
Some pics from Bakel, made by Lars Fakkeldij:

Yes, my car and tent (left). Waking up, grab a kite and fly!
([url]http://i44.tinypic.com/2jg75p4.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i39.tinypic.com/4gq6j5.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i40.tinypic.com/34drm2r.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i41.tinypic.com/1qj0ag.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i43.tinypic.com/nno29y.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i43.tinypic.com/2nunneo.jpg[/url])

([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/2wfmxya.jpg[/url])



Krijn


I just need a towel now!

That looks incredible in the air!

Maybe should have done the Sixth sense with Flour yellow too :-)

That looks like a great event to be able to wake up and fly...


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 18, 2013, 12:19 AM
About the Sixth Sense:
I like it a bit less than mine...
I don't know, it has got another feeling. I think I have to check the bridle. Maybe it needs a bit more weight.
Yes, it did fly and all tricks are there, but all felt a bit less solid than my own Sixth Sense.
Also very bad winds yesterday, very gusty.

I'm not worried (yet), but confident it will fly as good as mine after a few sessions.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 18, 2013, 09:54 AM
Such awesome service get it tuned as well...


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: jaydub on June 18, 2013, 09:56 AM
....and only slighly shop soiled. ;)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: WolvenX on June 18, 2013, 02:31 PM
What a saga!  Thanks for showing us this.  Loved every minute of it and the kites look amazing. 

Good winds.  :)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 19, 2013, 05:29 PM
Krijn,

What diameter of material did you use for the nose piece on the SS.  Or did you simply use the pattern from the Invictus.  Just wondering, thanks!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 19, 2013, 11:56 PM
Krijn,

What diameter of material did you use for the nose piece on the SS.  Or did you simply use the pattern from the Invictus.  Just wondering, thanks!

No, the Invictus-nose is different! The top of the spine is 0,5cm below the top of the nose. I can post a picture if you want. Not the case with the Sixth Sense.

I use a circle with a diameter of 10 - 10,5 cm, I use a (small) soup plate for that  ;).

Yesterday I made another Sixth Sense's nose and I used a square piece of Bisonyl (GREAT stuff). I did this because of a stitchfailure in the top of the centre-seam (it is hidden now) and I also think it looks a bit better on the rectangular Sixth Sense (the kite was with light Icarex near the nose).`
Need a picture?


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 20, 2013, 07:11 AM
Post all the pix you want... not because I need to see what you are talking about, just because I like to look at it. :-)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 20, 2013, 11:56 AM
Ok, this is the nose of the Invictus:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2pq8h7t.jpg)

And the Sixth Sense (again):
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ndaj4i.jpg)




This is how I screwed up the centre seam of a new Sixth Sense (not yours, Tom):
(http://i41.tinypic.com/nn8oc2.jpg)

I used a square 10.5 by 10.5 cm piece of Bisonyl (like the Magnet) to hide the small zigzag:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2rrsz61.jpg)

This is the backside: don't forget to cut some Bisonyl from the piece poiting down. I cut it to create a 3cm width, exactly how far the two vertical stitches are apart from eachother. I think I like this nose better on the Sixth Sense.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2ujma1y.jpg)



Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 20, 2013, 03:14 PM
Krijn,

What diameter of material did you use for the nose piece on the SS.  Or did you simply use the pattern from the Invictus.  Just wondering, thanks!


No, the Invictus-nose is different! The top of the spine is 0,5cm below the top of the nose. I can post a picture if you want. Not the case with the Sixth Sense.

For some reason I thought the Invictus used a round nose panel also.  But yes I understood that the Invictus was a different sewing pattern.  Just wondered about the overall diameter was all.   :)

I use a circle with a diameter of 10 - 10,5 cm, I use a (small) soup plate for that  ;).

Perfect, that's what I wanted to know!  Thank you.

Yesterday I made another Sixth Sense's nose and I used a square piece of Bisonyl (GREAT stuff). I did this because of a stitchfailure in the top of the centre-seam (it is hidden now) and I also think it looks a bit better on the rectangular Sixth Sense (the kite was with light Icarex near the nose).`
Need a picture?

I always love pictures... in fact your Magnet images got me so into the Flo-Yellow, Black, White theme I decided to re-sail my Quartz with those colors.  Here's my fake Magnet  :D




Freshly cut panels
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-06-20_14-42-03_697.jpg)

Photoshopped pinstripes
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/5387096a-29f1-40bf-b6bc-68496c0462c2.jpg)

Should I pinstripe or not?  Don't want to hijack your build thread either!!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 20, 2013, 03:24 PM
Hmm, I think you are right.
The Invictus uses a round nose! When I built my Invictus a few years ago, I had no source for Bisonyl so I used some other stuff (it is still in good shape).

Yes for the pinstriping, maybe not between the two grey panels.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on June 20, 2013, 03:33 PM
Hmm, I think you are right.
The Invictus uses a round nose! When I built my Invictus a few years ago, I had no source for Bisonyl so I used some other stuff (it is still in good shape).

Yes for the pinstriping, maybe not between the two grey panels.


Krijn


Good idea... not sure what I was thinking there.  Glad it was on the computer first and not already sewn in!!!! ???  I am definitely still drunk on receiving the Mylar from such a kind chap from the NL  8)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r167/photobucket2007_bucket/2013-06-20_14-42-13_242.jpg)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on June 21, 2013, 06:04 AM
Thats going to look great in the air! Nice color choice  ;)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: sugarbaker on June 22, 2013, 03:04 PM
For tpatter?! I've been trying to get him to build a kite for months!  I'll still probably try.  Glad he found you to help him out... he's been eyeing my Sixth Sense pretty much since I finished it. 

Now I'll have to find another excellent kite to tempt him with (to build that is).  Kites are looking good.  I finally started planning my own Magnet (inspired by your build Krijn). 


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: jaydub on June 22, 2013, 03:31 PM
I finally started planning my own Magnet (inspired by your build Krijn). 
The Magnet is one fun kite.  I'm sure you won't regret building It (and if you do let me know. ;))


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on June 28, 2013, 02:01 PM
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9943.0 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9943.0)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on July 06, 2013, 01:33 PM
Ok, Magnet 100% done. I (finally) made a sleeve and the kite is very good.

I didn't fly the Sixth Sense again, but I checked the bridle. It shifted a bit or I did something wrong the first time. 5 and 8 mm's wrong at two places. Fixed it very fast.
I also checked all connectorpositions by putting it next to my own Sixth Sense. And they all matched.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rm6smo.jpg)

The Sixth Sense is back in it's new sleeve and I'll test it again tomorrow.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on July 07, 2013, 09:24 PM
Some pictures of the Sixth Sense, again made by Lars Fakkeldij.

This was at the Twenterand Kitefestival were a small delegation of our Tricksparty-members took part. We also flew some demo's and ballets with additional comments to tell people about trickkiting.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2z6b9yo.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/348r79c.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2urt6dt.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/anh8n8.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2zthwue.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/i5t9c3.jpg)



I'll tell something about it (after the corrections) in a few hours.


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on July 08, 2013, 04:44 AM
Yes, the Sixth Sense is flying like mine now. The bridle is now ok and I added 3 grams of weigth.

 - Solid lines and precision.
 - Slow and reliable in the tricks.
 - Big windrange.
So just like how a Sixth Sense should be flying.

I also did shoot some video (without the 3 grams, I lost it). I'll search for some music tonight and upload it.

Some things to do: sew the patch for the upperspreader and make a new weigth (to include the added 3 grams).


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on July 08, 2013, 06:00 AM
That looks great too! Glad to hear you got the kinks figured out...

Thanks for the photos guys...
cant wait to see some video


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: tpatter on July 08, 2013, 09:56 AM
Nice looking kite!   

Any video?


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on July 08, 2013, 03:37 PM
Some things to do: sew the patch for the upperspreader and make a new weigth (to include the added 3 grams).

What type of weight system do you use Krijn?  I would be interested to see how you make them.  Also what was the final weight that you used on this particular build.  Did it differ from previous builds?  I assumed 25g was required for the STD.


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on July 09, 2013, 12:21 AM
What type of weight system do you use Krijn?  I would be interested to see how you make them.  Also what was the final weight that you used on this particular build.  Did it differ from previous builds?  I assumed 25g was required for the STD.

For kites with a velcro at the tail I always use some lead from the tackle shop and make a velcro pocket for it. I use a hammer to flatten the weigths if needed.
Just like the Benson Deepspace.

I think in Kirby's Sixth Sense is 27 or 28 grams now. But it flies just like mine, which I really like (I didn't built it myself [Sugarbaker did]).


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on July 09, 2013, 02:01 AM
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9995.0 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9995.0)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Krijn on July 10, 2013, 05:57 AM
Ok. Really done now, back from the postoffice.

Over to you now, Kirby  ;).

(http://i43.tinypic.com/j8zer4.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/bj9yk1.jpg)


Krijn


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on July 10, 2013, 06:07 AM
Exciting...

Thank you again for all your work and extra care in setting these up. I will post when they arrive...
It was great to watch them being made!


Title: Re: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: jecko on July 12, 2013, 10:58 AM
Didn't mean to hijack this thread. Since my Magnet sail is crafted by Krijn. I just post 2 pic.
I frame it light and make an easy convertible bridle 3pt or reverse turbo. Also some pigtails to tune and play around.. ;)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/13/hazusuhu.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/13/u7e9ety8.jpg)


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: DD on July 12, 2013, 02:23 PM
I like that!


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: coogee on July 12, 2013, 02:25 PM




                 Very Cool looking Magnet

                 Mike


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: Lou on July 12, 2013, 02:30 PM
Great looking Magnet indeed... especially in overcast weather the colored pinstripe is a nice accent!


Title: Re: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: jecko on July 12, 2013, 09:20 PM
Thanks guys, I'm happy with how the sail turn out.
Special Thanks to Krijn for the sail and also David Ruger for making it possible.

Didn't get to fly yet, started to rain after the photo was taken. Can wait to put it through its paces.. and see how it perform since its had lots of good review.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: kepople on July 21, 2013, 12:54 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/9336630814_b020ea8af3_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5476/9336632836_ed011628cc_b.jpg)

They made it across the pond!

Sixth Sense is great!
the Magnet is fast, small and nimble. I will have to try it in some smoother air as it was pretty gusty.
They are going to be very fun!

Thanks a bunch Krijn!

kirby


Title: Re: building a Magnet and a Sixth Sense
Post by: tpatter on July 21, 2013, 09:37 PM
It looks like you have a couple of winners there Kirby!

I was flyng my SS today - great fun!