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Title: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 07, 2013, 01:01 PM
Hi,
 I was hoping you guys could give me some advice. My daughter (11) is getting less and less interested in doing things that involve me. She still loved kites though and is often asking if we can go fly them. Well, all we have are generic walmart kites and she loses interest quickly.  She wants a stunt kite. I want a better stunt kite (have a generic one I got on clearance at walmart)
  Her birthday is coming up the 1st of August, and I thought it would be a great time to get her a decent kite. I'm on disability and the budget is really tight.  I've got a sewing machine.  We started thinking, hey, if we learned to make kites, we could do whatever we wanted, we wouldn't have to try to be happy with something else we find.
 The more I look into it though, the more I wonder , from an economic stand point, are we better off trying to save up and buy a couple better quality kites? or would it be financially feasible to build a couple?
 What do you guys think?


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: chilese on June 07, 2013, 01:09 PM
Welcome to the Forum.  :)

A high end sport kite (made to a published plan) will cost you at least $100.

That's due to the initial purchase of all the little stuff in addition to the rods

and fabric. You might be able to get by for a little less.

You could buy something like the Prism Quantum ($100) or Hypnotist ($140)

and have a well made, proven sport kite. There are many kites made in this

price range, I am merely naming a few proven to be popular.

You could also look into purchasing a kite from our Swap Meet. The prices

are reasonable and the sellers have "street cred" with the fliers here.

My daughter use to fly with me on occasion. But the years and miles have

diminished those opportunities. Enjoy your time with her.  :)


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: thief on June 07, 2013, 02:13 PM
Seth, where are you located?   There might be other flyers in your area who could help wow her...
And I would definitely try making a kite together....it might not fly well or it could fly great.....try it, spend the time!


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Wayner on June 07, 2013, 05:48 PM
Thief's right, fun to get together with other and try some kites.

Found single line kites are easier than stunts kites to build. Sewing is not always cheaper. You have rods and a lot of small parts to built.

smaller dual line parafoil kites (1.4 size) can be inexpensive and fun for beginners.


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 07, 2013, 07:33 PM
thank you for all the advice everybody.
 we are in the northwest corner of Ohio, about an hour west of Toledo


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Steve on June 07, 2013, 08:08 PM
Seth ... we disabled folk need to stick together.
If you decide to buy rather than build email me and I can work out a smoking deal for you.
steve@gwtwkites.com


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 08, 2013, 01:11 AM
Hi,

In my view, building is indeed fun and instructive. But I would start by building a single line kite.
It is MUCH cheaper and MUCH more forgiving to initial building deficiencies and mishaps.
There are plenty of types and you can start really cheap and go up from there.
Here you have tons of kite plans and instructions to start from: http://www.kiteplans.org/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/)
For example:
  • You can start with sled kites: http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_14/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_14/)
  • Then go on to bowed kites: http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_11/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_11/) such as the rokaku: http://www.kiteplans.org/pln_958/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/pln_958/)
  • And then go on to box kites: http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_13/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_13/) such as: http://www.kiteplans.org/pln_884/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/pln_884/)
  • or even delta kites: http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_12/ (http://www.kiteplans.org/cat_1/sub_12/)
All these have from very low cost to very reasonable cost.
(you can skip one step if you really like one in the upper types that really motivates you. Often motivation makes more than practise and knowledge.  ;)

If you would like to start the stunt kite fever, I would advice you to follow Chilese's advise.
Prism kites are great for starting but also HQ has a few.
Also, as said, you can either buy a new one or a second hand and it can be a great deal.

I think that to start flying a dual liner stunt kite it is better to be on the safe side and make sure it is well built.
So I would not recommend starting by building one yourselves.
Otherwise you will have a double source of frustration: the lack of ability learner's frustration plus the build defects frustration.
If you cannot control a stunt kite when learning you will not understand what stunt kite flying is and you will lose all momentum and motivation.

So, to summarise, I think you can get the best of both worlds by having a great time constructing and flying a single line kite at a very reasonable cost, as well as getting into the dual line world with a reasonably priced entry level kite.

And take a look at Steve's offer. He always has something great hidden in his sleeve.    ;)

And I hope you have a lot of fun!  :D


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 08, 2013, 11:18 AM
Thanks for all the advice guys, a lot of points were brought up that I had not thought about.
I will try to figure out what materials we need and start simple with building.
For stunt kites, my first "real" stunt kite will be bought.  Someday I'd like to build a huge Rok, and a parafoil.
Off to check out the patterns. Thanks again :]


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: ko on June 08, 2013, 01:04 PM
Thank you for being a caring father!! your daughter is a lucky almost young lady I hope building and flying together gets you a few more years of her childhood They grow up WAY TOO FAST
 Regards Grandpa KO


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 08, 2013, 02:49 PM
thanks Ko :]

we my have to switch our interests to low wind kites. We had an AWFUL day today trying to fly. we have what seemed like a decent wind, then nothing, then the wind would be a different direction but you could barely feel it, then some good wind, then drop off again. Totally frustrating.
  It got us thinking about how, more often than not, we have very little wind. and we love kites, how ironic, lol


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: vertigo2u on June 08, 2013, 03:04 PM
Well to start with ... on June 22nd about an hour and half from Toledo is a Huge Kite Festival at Lake St. Clair Metro Park also check the date of the Maumee bay Kite Festival very soon...


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Wayner on June 08, 2013, 03:56 PM
your can make your Rok as a low wind kite.  ;D


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 08, 2013, 04:31 PM
vertigo, thanks for the info, I'll try to make at least one of those events.
Wayner, I love the idea of a low wind Rok, I didn't know that was possible. That's what I'll be researching tonight :]


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Wayner on June 08, 2013, 08:16 PM
vertigo, thanks for the info, I'll try to make at least one of those events.
Wayner, I love the idea of a low wind Rok, I didn't know that was possible. That's what I'll be researching tonight :]


Here is the light wind 8 footer I built for KAP

The Rok is a easy kite to build. A good choice for a 1st build.

(http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv202/Wayner_photos/Forum%20Pic/RokY-sm.jpg)


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 08, 2013, 08:53 PM
vertigo, thanks for the info, I'll try to make at least one of those events.
Wayner, I love the idea of a low wind Rok, I didn't know that was possible. That's what I'll be researching tonight :]


Here is the light wind 8 footer I built for KAP

The Rok is a easy kite to build. A good choice for a 1st build.

([url]http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv202/Wayner_photos/Forum%20Pic/RokY-sm.jpg[/url])

I used to really like Rok's and now I'm starting to become obsessed with them. I have to admit, the whole materials thing is actually confusing me.  I know, I should be embarassed.


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Wayner on June 08, 2013, 09:04 PM

I used to really like Rok's and now I'm starting to become obsessed with them. I have to admit, the whole materials thing is actually confusing me.  I know, I should be embarassed.

There are a lot of options. The best way to learn is to ask lots of questions.  ;)


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 09, 2013, 10:26 AM
After all our research and the more I think about it, and the more Odessa and I talk about it.  We have decided on a "plan of attack".  We are going to buy a kite from Steve now (thanks again steve), and another kite from Steve when money allows.  That will cover the stunt kites.   
 We are going to build Rok's :]
Thank you guys for all the advice and all the help.  We will definitely be posting pics as we go :]


Title: Re: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: madhabitz on June 09, 2013, 11:10 AM
Awesome decisions! The possibilities are endless and you guys are going to have a ball!


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: Ara Ararauna on June 09, 2013, 12:07 PM
Excellent news!
Please post pictures of everything once you get started.
Post pictures of the stunt kite you finally chose and both of you flying it.
Send pictures of the building process of the Roks! Really interesting for everyone and for any other newbies that wish to start a process similar to yours.
And of course, when finished, the Roks flying!

We will all be looking forward to knowing more and seeing it all!   ;)   :D
Cheers and have loads of fun!


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: SparkieRob on June 10, 2013, 01:21 AM
Roks really rock! They have a great presence in the sky. They lend themselves to sail design too. I'm going to make some "skewer" sized Roks with my kids during winter. Get them to draw the designs on.
All the best.
Rob.


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 10, 2013, 09:42 AM
now I just need to find a decent 8 foot plan, I find plenty of sixes, and I could scale the plans up, but I'm not sure how that would effect what thickness I'd need for spars, I want to use FB


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: TBHinPhilly on June 10, 2013, 10:40 AM
Build, build, build.  It's great fun.

#1 - read Kite Sewing 101

https://sites.google.com/site/kites4all/home/kite-sewing-101 (https://sites.google.com/site/kites4all/home/kite-sewing-101)

#2 - A very good plan for a Rok.  Basic plan dimensions are 6', but scales up to 8' - see end.

https://sites.google.com/site/kites4all/home/rokkaku-plans (https://sites.google.com/site/kites4all/home/rokkaku-plans)


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 10, 2013, 01:10 PM
thanks TBH.


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: tcope on June 10, 2013, 05:58 PM
now I just need to find a decent 8 foot plan, I find plenty of sixes, and I could scale the plans up, but I'm not sure how that would effect what thickness I'd need for spars, I want to use FB

I built a couple of 8' Roks. One out of Tyvek and another out of terrible Ripstop nylon. Keep in mind... 8' Roks _really_ pull hard! I've had one up in 10mph winds and it's a chore to pull down. I'd not recommend scaling up... I'd think about building a 6' Rok at most.

You want to use FB? What is FB? Fiberglass?


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: SparkieRob on June 10, 2013, 07:02 PM
I recently got a 6 foot Rok, thanks Kaos!, and I wasn't prepared for the amount of pull it has. Pleasantly surprised.


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: sethvincent on June 13, 2013, 08:22 PM
OH my GOD!!!! We got our kite today.  Thank you SO much Steve.
 It's a Prism Snapshot 1.4.  Today was more windy than usual and we had SUCH a great time. It was by far the best kiting experience I've EVER had.
 Not only am I super excited, but my daughter wants her own 1.2 now, and my 15 year old step son (who usually doens't want to do anything other than play video games) wants to go fly kites tomorrow !!!
 I'm putting the Rok's on hold for a while. The first sewing project is going to be a tube tail.  I am SO in love with this kite


Title: Re: Should we get into building?
Post by: SparkieRob on June 14, 2013, 05:37 AM
Gotta love that new kite rush! Awesome to hear!