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 11 
 on: September 20, 2017, 04:22 PM 
Started by OKB - Last post by OCPablo
Whaaa... you think I'm done ordering?

 Cheesy

 12 
 on: September 20, 2017, 01:54 PM 
Started by OKB - Last post by Krijn
wow, i've forgotten how many sails i made for you, ocpablo! Smiley


i like sugarbaker's advice, good choice you'll go for that

i didn't like the 3pt-versioned UL at all (and i think the STD Pro is the best open source kite available), kite is too big, slow and light
it flies like a sul

some like it that way, but i didn't



good luck with the build, show us some pictures

Krijn

 13 
 on: September 20, 2017, 12:34 PM 
Started by OKB - Last post by OKB
Thanks you all for your reply.
I want to build this kite for low wind (3-10 kmh)
As I already print a 100% plan , I think I would go for 5pt lower spreaders (as suggested by sugarbaker)

 14 
 on: September 20, 2017, 11:29 AM 
Started by OKB - Last post by OCPablo
I have two SS's, one is a .80 (80% of full size) and the other I is a .95.  Both of the sails were made by Krijn Hemminga.  When it came to framing, I really had to ask myself what I wanted the kite to feel like considering the local winds.  I asked Krijn to make me "UL" sails for both of them.  My local winds consistently range from 2-10, with the typical sweet spot being 4-8mph.  Above 12mph I am grabbing a Rev typically.

For the .85 I wanted something smaller (say 7ft or just under) that was "fast and flippy".  By flippy, something that was going to do fast axles, ground axles and the newer slack line tricks.  This kite was framed in G-Force UL's for the LE and LS, a Excel Wrapped Carbon for the spine and a 4mm US.  I painted the spars white for looks only, and I like the way it came out.  This kite's frame is stiff, and I like it that way.  I can easily fly it in 4mph (the SS's sail design provides great lift and power) and it is magical on 60ft lines in a nice 6mph.  It reminds me a lot of the older trick kites that liked to be flown fast and aggressively, but has the ability to sit in a turtle, one pop yo-yo, etc.

The .95 I was going to go full Nitro like the plan listed on OSKP, but then realized that I really wanted to use the Skyshark 5PT which I think is a bullet proof rod and ensured me that I could use the same ferrules and connector sizes all around.  I went with a P2X spine, P200 ULE, 5PT LLE, 5PT Black Diamond LS and 5.5mm pultrude US.  Again this frame is on the stiffer side, but the 5PT's have a little flex that I like for ground tricks.  I am certain it would handle up to 16-18mph range.

By matching up weights on the Skyshark website, I was able to save a few oz's which I thought would help me gain maybe 1-2 mph on the low end.  Again, I was shooting for a kite that was a little bigger, a little more power but still light enough to fly 90% of the time.  I also dropped the tail weight down a bit, I think it's 23g vs the plans 25g if memory serves me correctly.  I did not want a "BIG" kite per se, but something with a little more sail area and a little more mass.  What I have is what I wanted... a 10% larger version of the ss.80!

The little SS.80 was dead on the minute I flew it.  I didn't have to do single thing to it, but I will be changing out the yo-yo stoppers (I have the R-Sky version and I am going more towards the Benson style... modified grommets.)

The SS.95 was 95% there.  I have modified the leech line to be static vs dynamic (personal preference, speed control is not a factor to me as I am not competing) and will need to upgrade the bridle (I asked Krijn to make me one that was for a SUL, and the bridle material is a bit light for a kite this size in the upper wind range... that's on me.)

I also have an Essence UL and a P3 that Krijn made the sails for, and the one thing I can tell you is that these plans are pretty good right out of the gate but you do need to be prepared to do some tweaking, modifications and testing.. On BOTH kites I shortened the sail standoffs to get the right proportions.  On both kites I have played with the tail weight, not just the amount but the style of weights (a large mass at the bottom of the spine vs longer mass... like a rod inserted inside the spine for example... that moves the weight over a larger area.)

My Essence has been a real challenge, but consistently tweaking the bridle and more importantly the tail weight and type of weight used have gotten me close.  I guess my point is the real benefit of these designs is that you can modify them, tweak them, etc..  You almost have to to be honest, but they lend themselves to a bit of customization.  The people who own these kites or have built them are all very helpful, just reach out to people and get some feedback.

You can see my SS's on my GPhoto page, link is listed below.  The SS .95 is the one with the blue wingtips.

 15 
 on: September 20, 2017, 08:12 AM 
Started by OKB - Last post by sugarbaker
The Sixth Sense is a sizable kite... and flies in quite low wind (I also use built the Pro std framing).  For the framing you have listed, you may consider building a 90% size, as it will be more responsive.  Another idea is to try for a standard light framing... use the 3pts in the leading edges, but use 5pt lower spreaders.  If I ever build a lighter frame than the standard pro, this will be the frame I choose.

 16 
 on: September 20, 2017, 06:38 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by synthexracing
I've got 3 pairs on the way  Smiley

 17 
 on: September 20, 2017, 05:04 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by Trip
I recently tried out some finger straps made by norm.... excellent straps. Made with soft material that'll last. Sewing and manufacture is of excellent quality.

I'll be getting some wrist straps in the near future. Norm, you need a website for your straps dude!

 18 
 on: September 19, 2017, 07:16 PM 
Started by True Rookie - Last post by True Rookie
  Thanks for the advice.  I will talk to Dodd and get his thoughts as well.
  I really wasn't trying to turn it into a trick machine as the kite originally wasn't made for that. I am just trying to figure out a better frame set-up.
  After I talk with Dodd I will try a few things. This was my first attempt at a frame swap and I'm sure it won't be my last.
        Sincerely Thank you all, Mike

 19 
 on: September 19, 2017, 06:23 PM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by synthexracing
I just got a vented Matrix in super nice condition. I assembled it in the house just to check it out. Interested setup how the wing tip battens attach. They are very tight. Almost to the point it seems like they could pop through the stitching.

I was just curious if this is normal for this kite? I was debating on trimming them down just a little, figured I would ask you guys first.

 20 
 on: September 19, 2017, 04:07 PM 
Started by Arctic Cat ZRT - Last post by np
Are you attacking me Norm? 
No, Iím not attacking anybody. Iíve gone the extra mile and used the search option and thought I found good information for him. I also posted HQ Shadow info I had in my files.

Maybe the Premier Widow UL is a good one, but I've never tried one.  People seem to like it and the price is good too.
This statement made me think you had done your research/homework and I wanted a URL as to where I can buy one. If you know where I can buy one, please send me a URL.

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