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 on: December 17, 2014, 11:22 AM 
Started by voodoo_joe - Last post by Allen Carter
Good advice above from very experienced folks.

I'm the opposite. A total Rev hack. After years of flying Quad every now and then I still don't have great control and beat up my kites pretty good. Bungies and washers stretch and wear over time, but I mainly know this from buying a lot of used Revs and seeing the condition of these parts after many previous owner hours. I've only ever broken end caps and bungies (which were very old) when flying on hard surfaces and landing with little or no control repeatedly. Never broken a spar, even in way too much wind.

Compared to most dual line kites, Revs are practically bullet proof. This is partly due to good design and materials (Rev carbon is top notch) but also due to the style of flying. Less yank and spank and more speed control than with duallies.

 on: December 17, 2014, 10:39 AM 
Started by dragonfish - Last post by Michel
[...] In other words, it depends on how the cloth is coated.  Some cheaper cloths are only coated on one side.  Increasingly these days, cloth is coated both sides

Icarex is coated both sides ?  Thanks

 on: December 17, 2014, 08:51 AM 
Started by dragonfish - Last post by sews a lot

Challenge fabric is an excellent choice for kite making.
No need to concern yourself with "front or back".

 on: December 17, 2014, 07:46 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by Allen Carter
$169 for a new EXP in choice of colors from A Wind of Change is pretty hard to beat. Click on the link to the right ----->

The EXP is an excellent Rev. The high end kites have some advantages, but not really much for a first time flyer.

One of the huge differences between cheap quads (and Rev knock-offs) is the frame. Rev wrapped carbon rods are the best in the industry. Revolution carbon is one thing no one else offers and it's a big difference.

 on: December 17, 2014, 07:25 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by thief
Bob Matteo has a Spirit Quad for sale in this will get you going!;topicseen

 on: December 17, 2014, 03:25 AM 
Started by Krijn - Last post by Kareloh
Like: Sewing the sail
Dislike: Centercross/tail dacron (always make mistakes there) and framing the ULE in combination with TAPA's.

 on: December 17, 2014, 03:22 AM 
Started by Krijn - Last post by stapp59
There were lots of little challenges and frustrations when I first started building kites.  After Ken's workshop, a good machine, and several dozen builds later, kites go together pretty smoothly now and there is something to learn from each one. It's gratifying to be able to create something appreciated by others.

 on: December 16, 2014, 10:16 PM 
Started by dragonfish - Last post by KaoS
Yes... there is a shiny side and a dull side, the shiny side is the front.

No... both sides are equally shiny, either side can be used as the front.

In other words, it depends on how the cloth is coated.  Some cheaper cloths are only coated on one side.  Increasingly these days, cloth is coated both sides

 on: December 16, 2014, 09:50 PM 
Started by dragonfish - Last post by dragonfish
I just received my first order of 3/4oz ripstop nylon kitemaking fabric.  I believe the brand is Challenge Sailcloth.  I can't really tell if there is a front side and a back side (or right side and wrong side?).  Is there a difference?  Does it matter?  Time to start experimenting with sewing this stuff soon. 

 on: December 16, 2014, 09:11 PM 
Started by voodoo_joe - Last post by Jim Foster
Rev's are pretty darn durable. The only thing I would recommend is maybe a couple extra spars just in case, a replacement bridle because they will wear over time, some of the washers (sail washer, bungee washer) and some replacement end cap kits with bungee's.  All can be purchased for under 50 bucks and should last you for months if not years before you need them (except the spars if you are extremely abusive).

One leading edge center spar and one other spar.  In the thousands of hours we have flown, we have broken only two spars, one leading edge center when we hit each other head on,,,,,,,,hard, and one vertical spar just exploded into four pieces.  I think it may have been defective as it was a three wrap and the wind was not high.

One pair of end caps.  They come in pairs and are all the same cups.  Any one of the pairs sets will give you two extra bungies as well.  We have had only one fail. 

A few of the rubber washers.  Use rubber faucet washers available at any hardware store or get nylon washers to use as replacements.  Nylon washers will far outlast the rubber faucet washers.  These are the parts that seem to give the most trouble.  For easy and quick repair on the field I carry zip ties.

I carry super glue to re-glue the leading edge ferrules when they work themselves free due to flexing of the leading edge over time.  I remove the leading edge center spar every so often to check that the ferrules are still glued in tight.

Extra bridle.  I tie our own bridles.  Bridles are made of three separate pieces.  Left and right verticals are interchangeable.  I replace sections as needed.  They really do last a long time. but should be looked over for ware.  A bridle failure in the air is not pretty.

As stated before, these kites are very durable and take more crashing than you might think.  Just learn that the bottom "brake" lines are your best friend.

Have fun.........

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