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 on: December 16, 2014, 09:07 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by tcope
Kites are different than electronics. Electronic components usually come from the same location and than its simply a question of who puts them together. In some cases it's still also a question of quality.

Many kite manufactures use China based businesses to build their kites. This can be a huge issue for them as those companies tend to push out clappy work. Many US based companies travel to China often in order to control quality. The quality from those shops have even pretty much put some US designers out of business. In those cases the US designer was paying for hundreds of kites. What would you do if your one kite was bad?

In kites materials can make a huge difference. Copies from China will usually be made with inferior fabric. This fabric fades and stretches over a short time. Rods may not be as strong and break.

But you may get a good kite. It's a crap shoot.

Fabric is about $6 per yard. Spars are about $6 each. So far we have about $70. Add in connectors and the like and we can easily be at $90. Add in 3 hours labor at $10/hour and we are at $130, cost. I think that leaves shipping and mark up at around $70.  Certainly labor rates in China would be a real savings.

 on: December 16, 2014, 08:06 AM 
Started by jlmcevoy - Last post by Boats13
Well? Pics/Vids from Frankenmuth?Huh

 on: December 16, 2014, 07:49 AM 
Started by sadsack - Last post by Boats13
Very cool! 2nd vid had better flight... It must have been after you adjusted the lines!  3 hours!!!!! Wow, I have not flown three hours for over a month and I live in Florida!! (Work is killing me)...

 on: December 16, 2014, 07:42 AM 
Started by sadsack - Last post by Boats13
Well built, too. Grin

 on: December 16, 2014, 07:24 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by SparkieRob
I'd personally stay clear of the copies and "Rev-a-likes". There are lots of Revs for sale second hand as pilots upgrade. Get a beater to play on. You'll be less worried about crashes and stuff. The crashes look and sound worse than they are.

A well used Rev still flies like a Rev.

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 on: December 16, 2014, 07:00 AM 
Started by stapp59 - Last post by stapp59
Yes you see plum in the samples pic posted earlier in the thread.  Plum/Magenta, Silver/Light Grey, Dark Grey/Charcoal, may be others.  Interesting the colors missing from your pic.

Haha. "whine"  Cry
good one krijn.

So what about Magenta? Is that the same as plum?

 on: December 16, 2014, 06:45 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by povlhp
I would like another good company making alternatives. I like competition and choice.
Take the skydiving world, there we have a few different suppliers. The french with their everything needs to be different because we can attitude, but also a few american companies. Not sure if there are any chinese manufacturers these days.

We can get cheap drones for < $100, and all other sort of electronic toys for no money. There is the DJI drones for $680, and the Walkera clones out of China for half the price, and 85%-90% as good. Or build a better one yourself for < $300. And drones are getting most of the growth in sky toys.

For kites to keep the interest of young people, we need quality kites to be available at lower prices. We need a fair / good quad line kite for $99. Then we might have more parents jumping into quad line kites. I think that $99 is a magical price point. Not sure if a smaller one can be made at that price, say 1.2 or 1.4 meters, and still fly reasonable good. Then we will get people who will want to upgrade. Either better handles or lines, or maybe frames, or maybe go to the full size.

This low-end does not need to be made in USA. Needs to be good quality though, and easy to fly. Even Rev could design something and have it made in China, and start selling under a cRev brand, or something like it.

I am intering the sport, but I fear it is not a growing sport. And the revolution videos on youtube are so great that many people would want one, if they see such videos, especially if the kite was $99 / $149 / $199. Or the least Rev Kites should do is have the pros make cool videos using the EXP.

 on: December 16, 2014, 06:21 AM 
Started by stapp59 - Last post by Kareloh
Haha. "whine"  :'(
good one krijn.

So what about Magenta? Is that the same as plum?

 on: December 16, 2014, 06:14 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by tcope
As mentioned, the issue should not be if the copy is legal (as long as it does not have the Rev trademark, it is legal), it's a question of quality. Ben with Rev has said that many times he's been presented a Rev copy (I think usually being sold, incorrectly, as an actual Rev) and the person is mad as it does not fly well. They thought they were buying an actual Rev. Ben has even gone as far as to replace those with real Revs. So the question is... will a $99 copy fly as good as a real Rev. Perhaps... perhaps not. You take your chances. Some of those companies even post pictures of a real Rev or some other kite but sell something completely different. So you never know what you are going to get. It might be a nice kite. Who knows.

 on: December 16, 2014, 04:09 AM 
Started by povlhp - Last post by Bob D
There's been a lot of discussion about this. The knock offs aren't nearly as good as the originals. The consensus is that support should be given to the people who have the passion to provide good value to this very small community. The people who make the cheap imitations aren't concerned with the health of the community - they're in it for the money. I know it's a financial thing but at least get a used Rev from the swap meet from one of us. We're good people.

 There was a really good thread a few years ago about this but I wasn't able to find it. Maybe someone can track it down.

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