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 on: September 21, 2016, 12:21 PM 
Started by bplant - Last post by bplant
When pulling a tail, how do you  increase speed.  There is plenty of pull on the lines, so how do I transfer some of that energy into increased forward momentum?


 on: September 20, 2016, 07:55 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by tpatter
Ah ha, your off hand should be thrust out and held toward the kite as soon as you hit the first input.  What is happening is you are stopping the rotation by blocking the kite with the off line.

I agree with this - that's what I think I am seeing.

You are almost there, the start of the pull is looking good, just slack that offhand as well.

Starting out, it might help to walk forwards which will accomplish the same result as slack and allow you to get the 'feel' of the backspin.

Keep it up - you are soooo close to getting them consistent.   Smiley

 on: September 20, 2016, 06:23 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by Gamelord
My two cents....which is probably not worth two cents....

When you pull, I think you are pulling too aggressively to start the backspin.  When I do mine it is more of a progressive pull, starting slow to begin the rotation and then smoothly increase the strength of the "draw" to get the kite to spin.  Once the kite is half way, stop and throw slack in both hands so the kite finishes the pull.  Your first one is nearly correct as you do get the spin, but because it is more of a yank than a smooth progressive pull, the kite ends up spinning on it's nose more than normal.  For your second pull, it is the same, a firm but progressively stronger draw as the kite comes around and then slack while it finishes the rotation on the other side.  What I see is wrong is that your second pull on the second rotation is late and way to much of a yank.  The rotation should be a smooth "speed up" rotation as the kite goes around. The pulling at each rotation should be a smooth rythimic progressive pattern.  Yours appears to be more of a yank and wait, yank and wait. Coax the kite around, not spank it around.

Hope that helps. 

 on: September 20, 2016, 05:59 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by etully
Ah ha, your off hand should be thrust out and held toward the kite as soon as you hit the first input.  What is happening is you are stopping the rotation by blocking the kite with the off line.

 on: September 20, 2016, 05:52 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by RobB
1:00... the initial input was great. Good looking rotation. The input for the second rotation was just mis-timed. I saw a lot of good in there, some issues with timing, and maybe walk forward towards the kite more. Was that a WidowMaker ? They're harder to backspin than the Solus... Good luck, you're just about there, I think.

 on: September 20, 2016, 03:25 PM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by damp_weather
For the moment, I realized that
after popping the lower wing while giving slack on the upper wing...
If I give a bit of slack on the lower wing, it helps the kite to get the nose downward while in turtle position.
... And then the line tend to get over the trailing edge... and not over the leading edge!

... and once the line is over the trailing edge... the rest of the trick is kind of easy!
Thanks for reporting back how you got on. 
It is good to read that you have found what works for you.

...I looked back through RandyG's video - he doesn't explicitly talk about slack to the lower wing after the pop, so that's probably why you didn't first think it was something to do.
For myself, I had assumed that one gave slack to the lower wing, as I must have thought that here a pop was a rapid pull followed by slack; that and I assumed it because of giving slack to both lines in the backflip before a lazy susan. 
- It just gives an example of the problems in trying to follow video instructions, trying to do the same thing as the teacher is trying to describe, no matter how carefully the video is  constructed.   Sad

It's now one of the tricks I'll practice every time I fly !
Thanks again for your personnal experiences with the Rolling susan!
Good luck and best wishes for the future!

 on: September 20, 2016, 01:59 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by vertigo2u
Got a chance to finally too work the backspin. Between sore back and lousy wind seems like ages...

Please note all wrong doings.  I am beginning to see what I am doing wrong.  I have a ton of clips that went wrong...  but I need better vision from those who have done it...

 on: September 20, 2016, 01:56 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by vertigo2u
John,  I finally got a chance to work on the back spin yesterday.  Please  :'(  take a look   Huh and point out everything you can note... I appreciate it...   Kiss Today I tried but the wind was too light.

p.s.  I am going to double post this video on the other page also...

 on: September 20, 2016, 11:49 AM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by asburyparkjohn
Joe -
I have to admit of all the pilots that attend this forum you perseverance is always good to see ... trick flying is endless. These past two summers I was practicing the cascade as it was a trick I always blew off and never practiced. Next year I will be concentrating on the TAZ and Slot more - I guess with a Lam kite we tend to do more of every turtle based trick IMO - so I was doing triple wrap yo-yo multi-lazies unwraps 60' to the ground at the top of central window at a time where I could not even execute a half ass Cascade. Really. Thinking back on the backspin I recall the positioning of the kite was critical IMO. I think? for a clockwise spin when viewing the kite head-on maybe lower the left wing and then do the lawnmower type pull (LMTP) - easy then SLIGHTLY quicker starting off as you approach the hip position. Too much energy into the LTMP and it will fall out of its rotation. So monitor moving forward. The other initial problem with the the backspin is the slight pull with the the opposite hand to stop the kite. So try for CW BS:

1. Fade
2. Lower the left wing by slightly raising your right hand. Once it dips slightly immediately but gently starting off with (3).
3. Lawnmower pull starting off gently with the right hand. Try the LMTP movement not perfectly backwards but off to the side say at 45* (i.e., not perpendicular to your body).
4. When CW BS is 90% around slight pull with left hand for stoppage. Takes a lot of practice to get the feel and timing so its no longer a thought process but just robotic as with all trick style executions.

Perform 500 times  Wink till break-through. Best practiced when wind is semi-pure off that lake you fly next too - the BS LOVES pure wind and low wind during its initial learning process.


 on: September 19, 2016, 08:10 PM 
Started by Fly Market - Last post by lineman
Good to know, Walt makes awsome kite stakes, I have several of them.
thanks for the update.

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