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 61 
 on: January 12, 2017, 11:01 AM 
Started by HK-guy - Last post by HK-guy
"bridles that cross over the center"------ Cross-Active Bridle?

Yes I did study the bridle from Andy site. And I also tried the Cross-Active Bridle but feel it quite "springy" then I turned back to standard 3 legs.

However my problem is, I really want to adjust my hands position well. Sit right next to my body, instead of far in front. I found my recent "newbie hands position" give less room for quick slack.
But when I try to sit my hand beside my body. Most of my hands gesture will become UP LEFT TO LOW RIGHT (More accuracy to say is FROM CLOSE MY BODY TO FAR BACK).
This cause the OP problem, I even can't make a decent Axel now...

 62 
 on: January 12, 2017, 10:44 AM 
Started by HK-guy - Last post by thief
I remember watching Dodd Gross doing tricks on any kite...because his durn arms are so long he could get away with input that made Ron Graziano run 4 steps forward and back for.
Some kites have bridles that cross over the center of the kite for this reason, they want a pull to come from not just the outer wingtip, they want/need a pull to come from further over (I know that some other people on here can tell you why, i just know that it happens sometimes on some kites!)

You might, if you have not found this yet, enjoy and learn from Andy Wardely's bridle conversations.   Andy is a well know bridle Tweaker and maker.... http://wardley.org/kites/bridle/  He can break down why certain bridles work better for certain kites or others....as you are starting to learn the same about inputs as well..

 63 
 on: January 12, 2017, 10:38 AM 
Started by thief - Last post by thief
Okay, guess I have to weigh in on my own post now.  Wanted to give a chance to some others....

I started off just in awe of kites in general, and loved the idea of them. I had quad line traction foils...single line kites...dual lines...three lines...quad lines...i had everything...I thought it was all awesome...
Every printed magazine that came out, and photo folder of festivals that I could find i drooled over...and wanted it all...then i hit a point where i realized that there were limitations.

I will admit that I was in a very special situation of working at a good kite shop that had access to everything we wanted...and am still as I have had my own kite website that is focused on handmade kites, and have had the site for 9years now. I had to keep my foot in the door as I enjoy interacting with kite people as much as the kites...most of you guys Wink rock!

I bought the first mountain board in Rhode Island so that I could get pulled around on it, but did not have the space to do so (I had previously been thinking about getting a buggy, but I was sure glad i didn't)..when i realized that I sold my traction kites...I did get into Blokarting for a bit, but do not have one of those handy anymore either...

I got into sport kites...
dual lines...had a bunch in the mid to late 90s that i loved..but tricks were coming out about then and I found that between college and working at the shop I didn't have time to put in to learn the tricks that others were doing...also being in college i did not have much disposable income and was REALLY lucky that I was allowed to run a tab at the shop...so..i went through my dual line kites and dumped most..i kept the AzizA(s) -and even found more of them - as those were the ones that I enjoyed the most flying..yank and spank and this kite rocks at it...but even with the newer sport kites coming out i was not enamored in them much.

Quads (and others) well..i did get into Guildwork kites early on and have a bunch of them...i had a couple custom made, but then have parted ways with most of them as well....

The only area of kites that I have been consistent with has been single lines...i got a few to entertain myself early on, cuz you know you have to have one when you cannot fly your sport kites...
i found a bunch of production kites in my bag and that was good.   In the late 90s early 00s there was a push in our local flyers to lift line laundry....and so i got into that, but because i was able to i had custom colored stuff made....big stuff....and a few years later, even though it was custom made for me i parted with it because it was too much of a hassle for me to handle on my own. 
I was really lucky and stumbled across a yard sale (literally) of a guy who had owned two kite shops and was liquidating....i was paying 80% off on the price sticker of kites that were already 5-10 years old...lots of White Bird kites came to my bags from there...and i found myself still loving single line kites, but really liking ones that i could easily and quickly get out of a bag and fly.   I wanted to paint the sky....my boss was buying Stanfields that take 30 minutes to assemble (if you are lucky) and are f'ing gorgeous, but i realized that i wanted simplicity....and I could fly her kites when i wanted to.
I started paring down my production kites and searching....and searching and searching...

This is where i will admit:
if the offerings of kites were limited to production pieces i would have tapped out years ago.   I would probably have a small bag of kites in the corner of my basement instead of a multitude of that like i do now.

I have found myself going after pieces from specific kite makers.   I learned this from my old boss who did the same thing - she would purchase a nice big pieces a couple of times a year...and i still got to fly them!   I do have my favorite kite makers who i try to follow their offerings if they have any....

So, now I have my "holy grail" kite list to search for...and every once in awhile I add a kite to the list..and more rarely i take one off that I have gotten or will never be able to get.
I am limiting myself to lower quantities by each maker...I no longer need to find 20 White Bird dragons...a couple of them will do fine.....

I have a bit more (not much) disposable income than when I was in college....and about as much time to fly if not greatly less so i am very picky what i bring out to fly on a given day....this means that I also really enjoy the ease of quick assemble and quick flight when i out there.....

tl:dr
If i was not able to find special custom kites years ago I would not be where i am today, mired in ripstop....

 64 
 on: January 12, 2017, 10:33 AM 
Started by HK-guy - Last post by HK-guy
Even I don't think so but the angle of pop, tug, pull, seems really affact the kite behave.

For example a simple Axel on the right window edge. When I pop it use my right hand. A gesture from LOW RIGHT TO UP LEFT ("hit my heart" action) . The kite will give me a formal flat Axel.

But if I pop it from UP LEFT TO LOW RIGHT, the kite will start Axel this way:
outside wing jump up rapidly --> spin without momentum and un-flat --> died at the half way (kite nose point to ground, belly face me). Or it can barely get a full spin, will end up become a turtle.
**Both angle of input I use the same force, same distance, same timing and same slack. Both my 6th-sense and Magnet react the same.

I also test this with Half-Axel.
If I pop the up wing as UP LEFT TO LOW RIGHT, kite will straight flip to turtle. (like I pop the low wing for a snap lazy)

Firstly I just think, maybe different angle will affact the input on different bridle legs.
For example when Axel, LOW RIGHT TO UP LEFT will give more pull on the Outer leg, UP LEFT TO LOW RIGHT will hit the Upper leg more.
But I further think, this just happen on an extremly short line......
I regular use 20m line set, this angel matter may not casue difference on the leg's input. And if the lines crossed, all my gestures angle will be neutralize.

I study videos from Mama74, Randy Greenway, Krijn Hemming. All their input seems without the angel matter.
What's wrong with me?

 65 
 on: January 12, 2017, 04:17 AM 
Started by thief - Last post by Bob D
The kite niche isn't really an "industry" to me. When I got into it I had no idea that the vendors who sold the better and more expensive kites were usually only a few people making the kites. Since design and panel color selection isn't my strong suit I look to the people who know what they're doing. My first kites were Prisms and I liked the way they looked and the descriptions in the catalogue I would get every year. And then I found the Benson, R-Sky, Sky Burner, and Blue Moon kites. I appreciate the design of each one. My only specialty kite is my Window Maker Spider. I didn't ask for the color choices for the design  but I loved it from the moment I saw it (because the designers have a better eye for that than me). And it's one of my favorite kites to fly.

 66 
 on: January 11, 2017, 09:24 PM 
Started by thief - Last post by WinterDaze
I just hate rainbow coloured kites

 67 
 on: January 11, 2017, 09:21 PM 
Started by vertigo2u - Last post by dragonfish
Whoa, a quad that can also do stuff like dualie tricks.  That's got my attention now. 

 68 
 on: January 11, 2017, 12:24 PM 
Started by photogbill - Last post by Palmahnic
Thanks for keeping this updated Bill, I'm not building a Valor at the moment but I'm sure these notes and follow ups will be very handy when I do. It is much appreciated!

 69 
 on: January 11, 2017, 08:36 AM 
Started by photogbill - Last post by photogbill
****One more note I thought I'd advise to those building a Valor. You may want to shorten the 3mm stand-off rods 1 to 1.5 cm to lesson the stress on the lower spreader rods depending on what LS rods you use 3pts, 5pts, or Nitros.

 70 
 on: January 11, 2017, 08:32 AM 
Started by photogbill - Last post by photogbill
Thanks for any advise you can lend on the venting. Right now it's not flying to bad but there's certainly room for improvement!

Also ....I found that shortening the 3mm stand-off rods 1 to 1.5 cm from my original 24mm lengths might be advisable to lessen the stress on the lower spreaders for all Valors.

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