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 on: November 24, 2014, 06:20 AM 
Started by jlmcevoy - Last post by jlmcevoy
"The weather is problematic Jim.  Steve lives north of us on the map."

SKB, with this knowledge please send Steve T and myself some good weather South!

Strange weather indeed. Rain all day today changing to snow tonight.

 on: November 24, 2014, 06:08 AM 
Started by USAKiters - Last post by thief
Beautiful simply beautiful. The more I read and watch videos like this,  the more I feel like I've been missing out.

I will admit that there have been some amazing kite makers in the past that are no longer making kites.....White Bird Kites, Windborne Kites (of Vermont), Jim Rowlands just to name a couple....
but there are some makers who have made a big impact on kite building and then disappeared but are returning again: Scott Hampton, Bobby Stanfield, our own Doug Stoat (used to make sport kites and now that he is back his focus is a wee bit different!)...

And there are new kite makers coming up all the realm of kite shops has shrunk quite a bit, and there is less push for those shops to get their hands on neat stuff while the offering of manufactured kites is still high and more economical....these new makers need to find ways to get their kites out there...sometimes if they do that they then discover that they are in a position over their heads and cannot keep up with demand, along with the rest of their life....
BUT....there is neat stuff out there....and you can find it....i have worked with a couple of kite makers who have designed something neat and been willing to make me one more of their design...and i am super happy to get it!
Kat made this guy for me after she made one for herself...

So....find what you like, keep and eye open and you will be able to add to your collection easily! 

 on: November 24, 2014, 06:06 AM 
Started by whitebirdlover - Last post by Charles G
Both of mine are Carrington, are framed with AFC carbon, and have white thread in places on the kite. The bags are both the same for each of the Phantoms, they both accept the kites full length.
It seemed odd to me that someone would sew the same tag in the Phantom that's on the Cheetah, and would make a bag sized for the Phantom with a 'Cheetah by Wind Toys' label sewn into it.
Next time I see sews a lot I'll take the kites with me and see if we can figure this out.

 on: November 24, 2014, 05:25 AM 
Started by USAKiters - Last post by Blky2k
Beautiful simply beautiful. The more I read and watch videos like this,  the more I feel like I've been missing out.

 on: November 24, 2014, 05:12 AM 
Started by jlmcevoy - Last post by Blky2k
I see all these people in Michigan.  Anyone around the tri- city's that a new" could hook up with sometime?

 on: November 24, 2014, 05:09 AM 
Started by peludo99 - Last post by tcope
Yes, I'd say that's a tall order at least. Indoor kites are specially designed to fly indoors... almost with no load. That is, they tend to glide or "float" under their own weight and be lead with the line. Being pulled or lead with the kite line is different then how an outdoor kite flies. Add a 2mph wind/gust and an indoor kite is out of it's element. I'd say it will still fly but at that point it's at it's upper levels. Switch over to an outdoor kite being flown indoors and you have the same issues but for the opposite reasons. So there are many kites that will do both... just not every well. Take it out of it's element and its a little bit of a "fight" to fly. I'd say you'd be better served to determine where the kite will be flown most of the time and go with that type of kite. I'd venture to say that this would be outdoors in 2-3mph winds. If you have the ability to fly indoors often then I'd pick up another kite just for that.

 on: November 24, 2014, 04:18 AM 
Started by peludo99 - Last post by Bob D
Don't be surprised at how hard you have to work to keep it in the air. I have a Prism 3D and Nirvana WW (SUL) that I have trouble with in absolutely no wind. In no wind, you have to keep moving backwards at a good rate to get the kite in the air and then keep it there. Ideally, I'd like a solid 2-3 mph ground level breeze (like off the ocean) so that I didn't have to move. And if you're moving backward to generate wind speed you need plenty of room behind you to keep going.

Once you have it in the air, the frame is so light and flexible that flying it takes a lot more finesse so that you don't snap a stick. (I axeled the Nirvana WW too aggresively and broke a leading edge. Lesson learned.) And trickiness is largely a function of pilot skill. It's a lot harder flying a kite with low mass because the inertia to do what you want it to do isn't there. I guess that if you put the hours into it you'll be able to figure it out.

At some point I'll make a concerted effort to get better at it but I don't have a good field to work with to get the experience. In the meantime I wanted something I could do with a kite in no wind so I got Doug Stout's 36" Bird of Prey and it's a really cool glider kite that really DOES fly in no wind. In a very slight breeze it climbs easily and stays there. The frame is what you would expect from an XUL -  no wind demands something that's barely there.

 on: November 24, 2014, 03:36 AM 
Started by peludo99 - Last post by peludo99
Thanks for so many replies, In the end am going for the echo, for its indoor ability but also higher wind range..will let you know how i get on Wink

 on: November 24, 2014, 03:07 AM 
Started by peludo99 - Last post by Wayner
The Amazing is well named kite my favorite true SUL. Can't remember how many times I have been flying It and it did something and I my only words were "amazing"

Their is no holy grail with SULs. I stopped looking after owning more than 10.
No one kite does everything well.  Like from flying indoors and radical trick kite.  No wind wonder to standard wind master.  Sorry it does not exist and if it does (someone say 4D) it is so poor in every phase that you put in the closet never to come out again.

I have the Shadow, Widow maker UL. When they can fly the Amazing is in the bag, when their is not enough winds the amazing is king of the skys. 

The Aura is a real winner  Flying wings Air Zero is a good low price alternative.  No where near the build quality but a really solid preformer for the money.

 on: November 24, 2014, 12:06 AM 
Started by peludo99 - Last post by Flying Fish
Agree on the upper wind range of the Amazing. If the wind goes above ~3mph when I fly mine, I tend to switch to another kite.

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