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 61 
 on: August 25, 2015, 10:24 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by Elvis
As I thought, there might not be an objective answer...
and the best way to know better seem to try some and see by myself! Smiley

Regarding the vector lines, I didn't know that brand.
Any good or bad opinions from people who experienced them for a while?

Did some people tried Stuart99 suggestion wich, if I understand well,
is to get some fluo color bridle line (probably like 3' long) and put them at the end of my lines as some sort of extensions.
I think it's pretty interesting... but I believe the lines would be noticeably heavier if I add some thick bridle line, mostly in light winds (but maybe it's negligible?)

Finally...
feel free to add other thoughts about stretching or visibility regarding yellow Shanti (100#) or red Climax(110#).

 62 
 on: August 25, 2015, 08:49 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by REVflyer
only a quad flier, so my opinions and experiences might not transfer over as others more versatile. 

I prefer Skybond (50, 100, 170#) but I also use LPG 90.  The difference is how many wraps to binding and how slippery, vs flying on wire, that's much tougher to tangle but doesn't last as long.  One might take 25 wraps and the other binds at half of that

The yellow covered effect wears off before the lines are useless, but it's nice and bright when new (Skybond)

If you use the proper knots, sleeving can be eliminated entirely, both brands  (figure-of-eight)

I use Skybond 50# almost every time I fly.  My current set is 100 feet and only used with the Zen, probably ten hours a week since April 2015 though.  They stretch, sure and you switch top and bottoms as well as adjusting the loops for equalization.  I check 'em every time I set up religiously and fiddle with line lengths frequently as that's like a front-end alignment on your car before you go out onto the race track.  It just handles so nice, like it would fly itself if you let go of the controls!

I've heard all the arguments about stretch and flex, not mixing brands on the line, different weaves do affect team flying, but my experience says the oldest flying lines will ALWAYS be involved in any binding-up mishaps.  That owner is usually very quiet when questions are raised too <HA!>

LPG 90# is the king of indoor flying lines for me, that stuff never picks up lint or hangs up on a sliver from the floor when oodles of slack are present.  Wires baby, direct connected!

I can't comment of the other stuff mentioned below, just to sheltered I guess

 63 
 on: August 25, 2015, 07:47 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by coop
Vector lines are green. [...]

Not always...  Wink




Yup, my vector lines are the pink color.

 64 
 on: August 25, 2015, 07:44 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by SparkieRob
Vector lines are green. [...]

Not always...  Wink




That is really cool!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 65 
 on: August 25, 2015, 07:08 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by JimB
Good point Steve.

They are all good lines at the end of the day.

I have a preference for Shanti Speed line, but ultimately none of them suck.

Try some lines. See what you like.

 66 
 on: August 25, 2015, 06:57 AM 
Started by asburyparkjohn - Last post by asburyparkjohn
Thief -

As I said when you compare his mid-size to his BABY there is not much of a size difference (half a foot from memory). My point - his large size is a MUST (10 feet) at $200? If they are avialable let me know. I tested (The Baby) out two more times I like the ribbon tail on the Baby for much higher stability. But if you are flying it at a kite festival and not a crowded beach - loose the tail. The Baby does come down obviously pass a certain wind range (8-10 mph) and FAST (i.e., crashing down). But its good (2-8 mph) or so ... Let me know if you can purchase the REAL McCoy (the big one) ... anytime in the fututre by PM.

Very Interested ... a BIG WINNER this kite is ... IMO.

APJ

 67 
 on: August 25, 2015, 06:16 AM 
Started by asburyparkjohn - Last post by thief
here is a good direction picture of a Hypar in flight, from Marco C's Bristol pictures:


and a better one, this might be the Big'un




and a side shot inflight with Nick James' angels.

 68 
 on: August 25, 2015, 05:32 AM 
Started by goestoeleven - Last post by goestoeleven
Can anyone confirm if the first two photos are Action Kites?

 69 
 on: August 25, 2015, 05:29 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by asburyparkjohn
IMO the Yellow Shanti Skybond may BREAK easier than the LPG at ONLY 50# strength. My last purchase was Shanti as my custom line maker only had these in stock. No big deal but at LBI in October if 50# is required I will be on LPG ... for the competition part of the weekend ... I have had no problem at 100# strength ... EVER. THis came up before and two other PILOTS agreed with me on Shanti at 50# may break easier than LPG ... just a thought.

APJ

 70 
 on: August 25, 2015, 12:54 AM 
Started by Elvis - Last post by Hadge
I have and use all three - Red Climax Protec, Yellow Climax Professional and Shanti Speed line.

Colour aside ( it's a personal preference thing) they are similar. Red Protec (110lb) is slightly thicker than Yellow Professional and Shanti ( both 90lb) though not by much. The Climax lines are coated and this does fade with use to pink and almost white respectively but Climax lines are extremely long lasting - I've heard of people on this forum changing lines every couple of years, I have one set of Protec I bought secondhand and well used 3 years ago and it's still perfectly useable though rather faded. Protec lines are also very slippy, I've no idea how many twists it takes to make them bind but it is very many , I've had 30 + twists many times with no effect. The Shanti are very good but don't seem quite a slippy. I'm not sure how they wear as I haven't had them that long - they seem OK though I have had to equalise them more than the Climax lines. They also seem to have a little more stretch than the Climax lines.

My personal preference is for the red Protec lines (must be good , Tim Benson sells 'em!) but to be honest there is nothing really wrong with any of the three.

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