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 71 
 on: June 29, 2015, 01:32 PM 
Started by CrabCake - Last post by CrabCake
Hi Everyone,

I've been lurking for a couple weeks.  I don't know how I hadn't discovered this great forum sooner, but I'm here none the less.

I love kites.  Great hobby, sport, passion....been flying on and off since 2000.  I played with a lot of intermediate mass produced kites along the way and finally broke down to order my first custom recently.  Probably a good thing since the learning curve has kept most of my kites in the grass as opposed to the sky.  Believe you me, I've bashed more kites head first into hard ground learning a fade than anyone.....so much that my kites always ended up brown and green eventually. 

Now I am tricking and loving the new dimension of 3D.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading through the forum.  The characters and personalities here are priceless.  I hope to add to the fun and appreciate this resource as it is priceless.

Thank you and smooth steady winds to all.

-CrabCake

 72 
 on: June 29, 2015, 09:19 AM 
Started by Doug S - Last post by Revrookie
9460 VHB tape made by 3M and a hot iron to fuse it forever - Paul LaMasters on KiteLife.

It seems the ironing causes the final fusion that makes it permanent.

Kelly

 73 
 on: June 29, 2015, 08:51 AM 
Started by Doug S - Last post by DD
Doug,
 Are you talking the 3m tape(which i cant find a name or a number on at the moment) I have never seen that tape fail or move and was told by a prominent builder that he considered not using stitching but just the tape. I told him "no way" and after setting some fabric up with it he challenged me to get it apart. The fabric failed before the tape.
Love all  of your discussions, keep up the good work!

 74 
 on: June 29, 2015, 08:01 AM 
Started by Doug S - Last post by Doug S
DD,

Thank you for your suggestion.  I built the prototype of the Bird of Prey 96 with straight panels where I prefer to use a Plan Seam.  This is how I use to build my stunt kites and it's a very strong seam.  This seam has an extra layer of sail material along the seam, along with the additional row of stitching.  My goal with the prototype of the Bird of Prey 96 was to see how it also could handle higher wind conditions, so this construction technique was appropriate.  I have flown the Bird of Prey 96 in winds up to 15 mph and it does just fine, but does have a bit of pull on the flying line during the climb.  Considering the 2,079 square inches of projected sail area, the pull on the flying line during a climb in the higher wind conditions was expected.

I also could use a Lap Seam that only requires one line of stitching.  This is the technique I use on the Bird of Prey glider kites that have the curved panel lines.  I prefer using a glue stick to hold the panels together before stitching, which gives one a second chance to adjust the alignment if you don't have the panels aligned correctly.  Regarding your suggestion to use just double sided tape, I have found that under higher temperatures and moderate wind conditions, the adhesive will give and the panels will slip.  I have experienced this with some glider kites designed/build by others.

As a point of reference, the prototype of the Bird of Prey 48 was built with 12 panels using a Plain Seam and weighs 31.8 grams.  The plan/production version of the Bird of Prey 48 was built with just 5 curved panels using a Lap Seam and weighs 30.7 grams, providing a weight savings of about 3.5%.   If I apply this weight savings to the Bird of Prey 96, I would be able to reduce the weight of this glider kite by approximately 5 grams.  Since most of the Bird of Prey glider kites need some nose weight, if I reduce the number of panels behind the center of gravity, this also will help save some weight.

If one was looking for the lightest version of the Bird of Prey 96, the least amount of panels/colors would be the way to go, but I personally like the looks of this glider kite in the air.  As indicated in my previous post, my limited flying time on this glider kite indicates that lighter may not be the way to go.  That is why I want to get a second one in Tom White's hands on the west coast to see if he sees what I am seeing.  When I test flew the Bird of Prey 96 indoors at the Wildwood NJ event, it flew very well.  This was before I had the stiffer machined joiner and the center of gravity dial in.  It was a just a little tail heavy when I flew it in Wildwood, NJ.  Thank you again and I will keep you posted on my future endeavors with this version of my Bird of Prey.

Doug

 75 
 on: June 29, 2015, 06:16 AM 
Started by NWFlyer - Last post by NWFlyer
Thanks to everyone for those tips and information.  I'll try those suggestions on the next one, and know I'll make some improvements to what I was doing and should end up with better results.

I just finished taping and sewing the sail for my Sixth Sense and the pin striping I used covered up all of the seams I was dissatisfied with.  Next will be the leading and trailing edges.

I have been using the large roller tape gun, and as suggested, found that it's hard to control and keep the fabric from shifting and wandering on you.  I like that tape, except for how it gums up a needle.

Thanks again for the responses.

 76 
 on: June 29, 2015, 01:47 AM 
Started by tpatter - Last post by Krijn
 Smiley Smiley

 77 
 on: June 28, 2015, 10:16 AM 
Started by tpatter - Last post by temoniprince
I've never been paid but I had many times that people paid for my travel and food. A few islands and other places in USA....
  It's a lot of fun flying on someone's else expenses lol

 78 
 on: June 28, 2015, 08:08 AM 
Started by Doug S - Last post by DD
Could you get away with not sewing at all but using 3m tape?

 79 
 on: June 28, 2015, 07:11 AM 
Started by tpatter - Last post by kiteslinger
I been lucky to get that type of exposer

with award winning advertiser Michael Rupert for Toyota USA

another video for Sony Japan for sony aquos Tv

Arena Sport Wear  another Japanese firm

Paid travel time, travel expense , Flat rate and catered  ......

 one of the most memorable kiting moments is eating fine Japanese cuisine {catered} out in the middle of a dry lake..

 Ozone sponsor advertisement shot by former forum member Rob Vreeland

and a few other advertisements that were pouched from events for a car sales lot Angry

 80 
 on: June 28, 2015, 06:16 AM 
Started by tpatter - Last post by rudyy
Flyiing kites = Retirement   Cheesy

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