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 71 
 on: September 17, 2017, 10:33 AM 
Started by True Rookie - Last post by Allen Carter
You know, I was just thinking that reaching out to Dodd would be a good idea. In the past he has made upgraded versions of some of his designs with wrapped frames for personal use or even to bring to market. He might have some insight on what upgrades would work well with the Dream On.

https://www.facebook.com/doddgross

 72 
 on: September 17, 2017, 10:28 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by True Rookie
ALL of these could have been Boa Style, but I hand sew, so there is too much extra time involved to make it worth my time.



  Is the material kinda soft like the BOAS?

 73 
 on: September 17, 2017, 10:27 AM 
Started by True Rookie - Last post by Allen Carter
I reframed a bunch of '90s kites that came with pultruded frames back in the day.

One thing is for sure. You can almost always help one or two aspects of the kite, but there are almost always some aspects that are hurt. Trade Offs.

The range of success goes from "Wow, I turned a good kite into a piece of crap" through,"Well that was probably a waste of time and money" to "Perfect"

The most important thing is to nail down what aspects of the kite you are trying to improve. Low wind? High Wind? Durability? Specific tricks?  Along with improvement goals, what are you willing to sacrifice? A low wind upgrade can mean less durability. Any change can effect specific types of slack line tricks. If you have to have multi-lazies but can live without nice flat spins (I'm the opposite of that).

Increased stiffness alone can really screw up a kite. Some kite designs really benefit from flexibility in specific areas.

A 7' pultruded kite like that would gain stiffness and lose a lot of weight with P200 sticks. P300 is overkill. P200s are an order of magnitude more durable than pultruded and lighter and stiffer. I once reframed an Alpha + in P200 and it gained a few MPH at the low end (I remember flying it when others had SULs out) and pulled tails in 20+

It's not too surprising that a relatively small kite in all P300 is hard to stall. You'd have to really muscle it. First step to improve the stall would be to lower the tow points. But without the ability to flex a spill air, it may always be hard to stall.

Some kites really like stiff spreaders and flexible LE's A mix of P200/300, or P200 & Nitros is common.

Balance can be a big deal. Take the stock kite and balance it with your fingertip on the back of the spine over your head. Mark this balance spot. When reframing with lighter or heavier sticks, the balance will change (especially with tapered sticks) and you often have to compensate with heavier or lighter upper spreader.

Bridle changes come hand in hand with frame changes

All this adds up to "waste of time" factor mentioned above. Reframing some kites is very rewarding, but in all bite few cases it can mean a lot of testing and tweaking to get it right. A hassle.

 74 
 on: September 17, 2017, 10:26 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by True Rookie
I could custom make Boa style straps, but you probably couldn't afford them.  Cheesy



 Well just mail me the ones in the picture.  I got $10.00 bucks. LOL

 75 
 on: September 17, 2017, 09:59 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by np
ALL of these could have been Boa Style, but I hand sew, so there is too much extra time involved to make it worth my time.


 76 
 on: September 17, 2017, 09:50 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by np
I could custom make Boa style straps, but you probably couldn't afford them.  Cheesy


 77 
 on: September 17, 2017, 09:15 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by True Rookie
    If someone finds or starts making straps that look and feel like the original BOAS , I would like 4 to 6 pairs of them depending on the price.

 78 
 on: September 17, 2017, 08:58 AM 
Started by True Rookie - Last post by True Rookie
  The current kites that I will be reframing are 2 White  Sky Dog Dream On' s.  These are 2 of the kites that Jerry Hershey and I use at local festival's for pairs flying.  As an experiment I re-framed one of them in P-300 rods for every rod in the kite. Except for the top spreader, it's the only rod other than the stand offs that are original. The kite still flys just like it did with the factory frame. But now it will fly in lower wind with a little bridal adjustment  and it will fly in a little stronger wind as well.
   The only problem I have with it now is when the wind is over 12mph the kite does not want to land. You can snap stall and try to run forward to help it land, but even that is difficult.
   Looking for the best suggestions, even if it means buying different rods for top leading edges or lower leading edges and changing out the lower spreaders.
  The kite flew great without the frame swap but now it flys better, it just doesn't want to land unless the wind is 5 to 6 mph.
   Hopefully this info will help you to help me, as I truly love the Sky Dog Dream On kite. They make great kites for flying pairs,  or for beginners.  Very predictable and not to fast.
  Thanks,  Mike

 79 
 on: September 17, 2017, 08:07 AM 
Started by Trip - Last post by mwp
Its an ok kite, sort of trickable but not really. Sits in a fade nicely but some strange oversteer and strong inputs usually required. I believe it is very heavy for what it is as the weight just seems like it is in the wrong place. The price is not bad but the quality is still not there for the price tag. Overall though, it is the kite that I take to the beach solely to teach friends and it is perfect for that. I think 5-10 mph is for sure doable with bridle adjustment

 80 
 on: September 17, 2017, 07:36 AM 
Started by synthexracing - Last post by Trip
For what its worth... out of all the different brand of straps that I own, the best are BOAS. But, as you stated, they're not being made anymore and everyone is out of stock.


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