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 91 
 on: April 07, 2018, 05:36 PM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by Allen Carter
I just received two new linesets and I'm a bit puzzled because they packaging says "Spectra Flying Lines" BUT inside the packaging is a "Dyneema" sticker right on the winder.

Which is it??? I know they're not the same.

Virtually the same. Spectra and Dyneema are the US and Euro trade names for very similar products made of Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene.

Both refer to the fiber itself that the lines are braided from. How the lines are braided and what types of coatings and such depend on the company that makes the lines. So all "Spectra" is not equal.


 92 
 on: April 07, 2018, 05:35 PM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by np
The only downside of not sleeveing is that you will almost certainly have to adjust new lines after a few flights as they will stretch - with sleeving this isn't too difficult but without the knots can be very hard to untie and it's very easy to damage the line - might be easier to just cut the loops off and retie once the lines have stretched.
For ME, this stands true, so therefore I sleeve my lines. I also stretch my lines before making my line sets. I use a Figure Eight on a Bight Knot to make my end loops. I am not  ambidextrous, so after a few hundred Jacob Ladders and Barrel Rolls using mostly my right hand I find the right line will still creep. I know how important it is to have equal lines when doing tricks,  especially with Flic Flacs. There is another alternative to sleeving and thatís making pig-tail loops out of Bridle line to tie onto both ends of your lines. I remember a guy on here that was so particular about making his lines last a lifetime, he would periodically switch them end for end.

 93 
 on: April 07, 2018, 03:41 PM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by socalman320
Allen! Wow!

I think THAT response should go up in the sticky section and locked for reference material!

Good job and thanks.

 94 
 on: April 07, 2018, 03:37 PM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by socalman320
I just received two new linesets and I'm a bit puzzled because the packaging says "Spectra Flying Lines" BUT inside the packaging is a "Dyneema" sticker right on the winder.

Which is it??? I know they're not the same.

 95 
 on: April 07, 2018, 03:35 PM 
Started by carl99 - Last post by carl99
Hi everyone, I would like to know your reviews of the treczoks cody kite versus gombergs cody kites?  I have the smaller versions made by premiere which are fun and stable flyers. The larger ones caught my attention that I saw on websites. any information would be helpful to me. thanks

 96 
 on: April 07, 2018, 03:17 PM 
Started by mikenchico - Last post by mikenchico
We've done workshops with Tyvek and copy paper kites. Workshops are fun but a lot of work. Sometimes we just enjoy having some kites on hand that we can afford to give away wherever we fly and kids come around. We also leave a few at our favorite Beach Inn in their "Beach Boot" area whenever we go, in fact we drove the 30 miles just to buy some our first time there. One of our Dollar Trees finally stocked some, I replaced what we gave away the other weekend and plan a return trip for more.

 97 
 on: April 07, 2018, 02:39 PM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by breezin
Go on  Smiley.

 98 
 on: April 07, 2018, 10:32 AM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by Allen Carter

The only downside of not sleeveing is that you will almost certainly have to adjust new lines after a few flights as they will stretch - with sleeving this isn't too difficult but without the knots can be very hard to untie and it's very easy to damage the line - might be easier to just cut the loops off and retie once the lines have stretched.

Here's where a lot of the sleeving vs non sleeving debate lands: Adjusting lines that change length over time.

In my experience (maybe 50 line sets over 20 years), a properly made line set will not change over time.

The two things that cause line sets to change length are knots slipping and line stretch. Both of these are common with commercially made line sets (worse with mass produced "cheap" lines), and this is what often leads people to believe that ALL line sets change over time.

Sleeving itself can be a contributor to knot slippage. If the line inside the sleeve isn't properly captured, it will move (spectra is slippery) and the sleeving will bunch up. Often knots in sleeving are tied improperly (I've seen commercial line sets with loose knots, or the wrong knots). Proper knots in sleeved or unsleeved loops will not slip.

Line stretch should be totally accounted for when making line sets. High quality spectra can be stretched when making line sets to the point where it will not stretch any further in flight. No reason not to do this, and its easy when making your own sets, but would add a lot of time (and expense) when making commercial sets, so it is skipped.

For me, sleeving is an unnecessary hassle.

The main component in making good line sets is a heavy hook screwed into a fence post (or telephone pole). A heavier version of the one pictured below.

Start with a spool of line. Make a proper permanent loop (I use double figure 8 knots) put it over the hook and walk the spool back to the proper length. Cut the line. Walk back to the hook, make another loop, walk back, cut the line. Now you've got two lines with completed loops in one end. The loops don't even have the be the same exact size, as the equalization comes later in the second set of loops.

Wrap one loose end several times around something strong (like a screwdriver), hold it with my thumb and pull the line tight. Pull really, really hard, then relax. Do this many times. Pulling tight and releasing, you'll notice that the line gets a bit less stretchy. Good line will feel pretty "hard" after several stretches. The first few pulls will be noticeably different than subsequent ones. Junky line tends to be more "stretchy" or springy feeling, no matter what you do.

If you do this stretching right, pulling against an immoveable object, you'll stretch the lines much more than they ever will in flight, and you've totally set the loops at one end.

Making the second loops with the two line sets exactly the same length is also easy if you know how, and verifying the equal length before setting the last knots is also a neat trick. I can go on if anyone is interested.



 99 
 on: April 07, 2018, 01:25 AM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by Hadge
Making your own line sets is easy, the only 'tool' you need is a sleeving tool - basically 12" of stiff bent wire to pull the lines through the sleeving then just make sure your lines are the same length. I usually make the loops on one end and put them on a hook on the garage door and walk them down the drive to the desired length.

The only downside of not sleeveing is that you will almost certainly have to adjust new lines after a few flights as they will stretch - with sleeving this isn't too difficult but without the knots can be very hard to untie and it's very easy to damage the line - might be easier to just cut the loops off and retie once the lines have stretched.

 100 
 on: April 06, 2018, 01:31 PM 
Started by socalman320 - Last post by makatakam

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All these years (pretty much since 2000) I've never had to replace ANY of my lines.
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This means you don't fly enough. If you're not replacing lines annually or bi-annually the savings of making your own will only amount to about $5/year over 10 years' time. In your case I would recommend buying pre-made lines from your favorite kite shop. Less hassle and more time for flying. Shops that make custom linesets may charge less for unsleeved or only sleeved at one end. Ask. Sleeving makes it a bit easier to grasp the loops, undo knots, and prevent wear. If you're not wearing out lines you may not need sleeving, and definitely don't need it at the kite end of the lines. You can use knots in the end of the loop or extensions to make knots easier to loosen.

Of course, this is only my opinion. In the end, your preference is what counts. Whatever you feel comfortable with or get used to is what will work best for you.

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