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« on: August 26, 2013, 03:29 PM »

So wanted to reach out to the forum and ask for some advice.

Back in the day... let's just say about 10 years ago... I sold off a ton of great kites.  I kept a very small group, and thankfully my son is now showing interest.  Was closely affiliated with Flying Wings... right up to before kites that are available now.

So I am looking for recommendations!  Let me expand on what I liked in the past.  I would be described as a 'low wind trick flyer with a nod to the Berzerkly style of hammering the S**t out of my kites.' 

I don't about all these new things like Taz, Jacob's... but I am willing to learn.  What I was known for... ripping across the window and pulling off a "Suzuki" from 40ft up.. or double axles off of a wing-tip away from the center of the wind window.  Flic-Flacs, high speed fades, coin-toss, slot machine... any of this ringing a bell to anyone?

Oh, and I typically buy something with a nice sail... and promptly yank the frame and upgrade/mod it right away, so I am not real picky on the std framing.

Kites I loved...
Sandpiper by C. Matthewsen
Bensen Reflex
CalWasp
Bensen Gem
HQ Obsession (first edition... the smaller one, kinda like a mini tram)


Kites I have left in the bag...
Flying Wings Pandora's Box
Flying Wings IFORGOTTHENAME
Flying Wings Acrobatix UL (I like it, but it does not like to rotate flat easily... maybe it's the bridle but I think the aspect ratio is a bit wide.)
HQ Tram STD

Kites I WISH I bought...
Nirvana
Nirvana
Nirvana


SO... any recommendations? 
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 04:09 PM »

Welcome back to kiting and welcome to the forum.

If you wanted to stay with Flying Wings, I would say avoid the Silver Fox 2.5 and go straight to the Soul.

Since you like to upgrade the frames, This could be a good choice as the spars are made in China and while not bad, you would enjoy the upgrade.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 05:19 PM »

Thanks Wayner for the Welcome!

I am willing to look at anything, but reality is that I want a quality product.  When I was working with FW, I was able to really push on the quality of the product, and from what I have seen they have kept it up. 

At this point, I am looking for the best of the best... those kites that people simply must take out when they fly.  Maybe I should have added the "tell me why you like this kite or that kite?"

I am also very interested in custom colors... already sent out a email to the R-Sky group to see if that is even an option.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 06:07 PM »

A man with money, just about anything is possible.

I'm sure you will soon be getting a list of most of the flyers favorite kites.

Right now I'm loving on my Tekken (Sport Kite Designs) and Talon UL (Jest of Eve, with is in limited production) and Mongoose (out of production).

Good luck on your search for your new kite.  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2013, 09:26 PM »

Oh there are sooo many options.  Probably the best all around kite for just about any style that I can recommend is the widow maker from sky burner.  Great low wind (3-4) and high wind performance.  IF you liked the Cali Wasp then you will like another. Miguel is still making them and has updated the design with a deeper sail that is a lot more trick friendly than the original wasps but still has the Berkeley yank n spank style.

Pretty much check out Skyburner, Sportkite Designs, Benson, R-sky, Focus kites(sold by into the wind now under Paul Debakker's name).  Other than that the best advice I can give you is find some local flyers nand borrow the lines to try out some kites.  Where are you located?

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2016, 09:59 AM »

My favorites are blue moon and benson.  Really anything from either manufacturer.


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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2016, 10:19 AM »

Thanks Wayner for the Welcome!

I am willing to look at anything, but reality is that I want a quality product.  When I was working with FW, I was able to really push on the quality of the product, and from what I have seen they have kept it up. 

At this point, I am looking for the best of the best... those kites that people simply must take out when they fly.  Maybe I should have added the "tell me why you like this kite or that kite?"

I am also very interested in custom colors... already sent out a email to the R-Sky group to see if that is even an option.
You can get R-Sky's in custom colors ... I don't know what premium there is (if any) for that.

You might want to ask R-Sky about their new kite - the "Unik" ... see their Facebook page for more information.

And if you order a Nirvana - don't order the Nitro framed version - you'll be disappointed

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Depending on the model - you can have your Benson's in custom colors and at no extra charge. They remain unquestionably the best made kites.

Tim has a new design - the "SuperNova".

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2016, 11:03 AM »

Depending on the model - you can have your Benson's in custom colors and at no extra charge. They remain unquestionably the best made kites.

Tim has a new design - the "SuperNova".
Oh, and I typically buy something with a nice sail... and promptly yank the frame and upgrade/mod it right away, so I am not real picky on the std framing.
Not really what you'd want to do to a Benson kite.

But I'd agree with Frazer - you can't get better quality. Good time to buy if you're in the US as the GBPound has fallen through the floor.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2016, 04:16 PM »

Oh, and I typically buy something with a nice sail... and promptly yank the frame and upgrade/mod it right away, so I am not real picky on the std framing.
Not really what you'd want to do to a Benson kite.

But I'd agree with Frazer - you can't get better quality. Good time to buy if you're in the US as the GBPound has fallen through the floor.
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Well, I guess that depends on if one wants to fly a kite in the style of the designer, or if you want to change the behavior for your own style. 

I guess I am a bit to old skool... but the 3D rotational tricks (rolling the kite up, over and back) just don't excite me.  Living in SoCal, I have smooth winds that are typically 3-10 mph.  I learned to trick in lighter winds, on shorter lines and back when I competed the boys from Bezerkley were my inspiration.  We called it 'whacking' the kite, but for me it was always about high speed ripping across the window and then instantly a change of direction, a fade/axle/double axle... and then wham back on the gas.

My all time fav' was a Midi Sandpiper I got from Chris Matheson himself (who insisted his kite was better than Benson's Reflex, another one of my fav's... and it was...).  I reframed it in Shark Tapered rods, spectra bridle and could rip off rising coin slots in a steady 4-6 all day long.  Man I wish I had that kite back, in P-31!

Most importantly, it needs to spin on it's face FLAT. (You think weights are cool for yo-yo's, try a couple on the tips and mid-spine and double/triple FLAT axles with a single quick flick start to become quick realities.)

If I can swap out a stock pultruded frame that with something a little stiffer, a little lighter and get it rapid firing off Flic-Flac's.. then we are getting somewhere!

Just my 10 cents.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2016, 04:26 PM »

Most importantly, it needs to spin on it's face FLAT. (You think weights are cool for yo-yo's, try a couple on the tips and mid-spine and double/triple FLAT axles with a single quick flick start to become quick realities.)
If thats a requirement you're going to be disappointed with "modern" designs, nothing spins flat anymore.

The world has moved on ... even the kite world.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2016, 05:14 PM »

You may want to consider an older high quality kite for flat tricks.

The Benson Inner Space would be an example of an older design

that can be purchased new from Mr. Benson or used.

You're looking for more of a shorter standoff design with rounded

leading edges if you're going for flat spin tricks.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2016, 05:21 PM »

My all time fav' was a Midi Sandpiper....Man I wish I had that kite back...


This one is available Smiley An original Midi by Chris, only flown a couple of times.
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2016, 05:43 PM »

Sweet kite.  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2016, 06:59 PM »

You know, if you ever come up from SoCal stop by the ripon fun fly. 1st Sunday of every month. I'll let you try anything I got.
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2016, 11:46 PM »

You may want to consider an older high quality kite for flat tricks.

The Benson Inner Space would be an example of an older design

that can be purchased new from Mr. Benson or used.

You're looking for more of a shorter standoff design with rounded

leading edges if you're going for flat spin tricks.  Smiley

Appreciate all the feedback. I am aware of the modern shapes and some challenges, thankfully I have played with a few and pretty sure a little weight mod and technique and I can get what I am looking for.  Then again, maybe the new way is a better way!!!1

Just happy to be with the wind on my back and the lines singing in the breeze!
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