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« on: November 19, 2013, 10:33 AM »

Hi,
I own a Prism Nexus and around where I live I have very little wind and have had little success with it. I am a total newbie.  So I would like to be able to just get the kite in the air and get the feel of using a dual line stunt kite.  I was considering buying a Prism 4D but have seen some people writing that it is very hard to control, but was told by the folks at prism that if I was using it in very low wind situations I should be OK for what I am trying to do.  If the wind got stronger, I could pull out the Nexus.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a very low wind kite that would be appropriate to learn on? I suspect it will have to be somewhat durable since I have certainly crashed by nexus straight down quite a few times.
I have seen the following suggestions:
airwave zero
skyburner NikNak.
My budget is about $100-120
thanks, any advice very much appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2013, 10:49 AM »

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Where are you located? there might be someone nearby that would put you on a couple to test out...the SUL dual line kites generally each have a different feel.....one might call to you more than another one...so trying them out always helps!

There are always good deals in the Swap Meet that can be had.....
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2013, 10:55 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 11:51 AM »

I would say that you could go with the 4d, especially with how new you are. The 4d will be nice because if you need to order parts, prism makes it pretty easy to do so online. The drawback is that because it is small, it can be a little squirrely compared to a bigger kite.

I have flown the airwave zero also and I like the kite, but it feels fragile to me. I have seen the spine snap on a rather light crash before as well. Honestly, light wind kites in general are going to be more likely to break than what you are used to.

When you are new, with limited equipment, it can be very frustrating on low wind days. You will benefit substantially from flying with your standard on days that feel like it is too light to fly.

Good luck in your purchase. I do agree with thief that if you have an opportunity to try other kites, do so because everyone has a preference for the way they like their kites to fly.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2013, 12:29 PM »

If you are going to be flying in genuinely low winds - 0-5mph - then, in your budget, the 4D would probably be your best option.  It is small, but it has a solid carbon fibre frame so it's very bendy and pretty tough as far as very light kites go. Below 5mph it will fly nicely but over 5mph it can get very fast very quickly and can be difficult to control in higher winds. It's a nice package - the case is really neat! but due to it's very low weight the range of tricks it can do can be limited. Overall a very nice, but quite specialised kite.

The Nexus is quite a small kite and does need a little wind to fly - ironically a larger 'standard' kite something 200-250cm will often fly better in 5-6 mph range than a smaller kite like the Nexus as it has a larger wing area.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 02:55 PM »

If you ask Google, there is a used Prism Flashlight out their for a nice price.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 04:39 PM »

If I may add a few humble thoughts:

I have both the 4D and the Nik Nak and live in a frustratingly light/variable wind area, so here is my experience with these kites to date.
The 4D is one fragile kite, particularly the cheap metal pipe part of the center-t which will break if you attempt a dead launch (like Prism shows you in the video). The sail is brittle and I have noticed a few holes caused by dry field grass.  Parts may be readily available and they are cheap, but it is the shipping that will get you.
The Nik Nak on the other hand is one kite that I have had the pleasure to fly a lot, solely due to the fact that it will fly with less wind and footwork than the 4D needs and is very graceful and satisfying to boot. I think it performs better because it has more sail area. It also seems to be more resistant to abuse because my kids and guest flyers have repeatedly (and to my horror) crashed the thing but without damaging it. (Is this a function of luck or better components???)
So, check out the Nik Nak. It is a reasonably priced, well made true SUL that stands up well to crashes.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2013, 05:53 PM »

I would heartily agree with the suggestion of the NikNak vs. the 4D. No comparison. The NikNak was my first light wind kite, by dumb luck. I think I flew my 4D twice, and then gave it to my son. It was too small for me, I just don't like small kites. It is perfect for my son, because he's small and it seems normal size to him. The NikNak is built better, and doesn't cost that much more.
The suggestion of the Flashlight is also a better choice than the 4D. It's too bad Prism doesn't make kites like that anymore...
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 04:17 AM »

If the 4D is like the 3D it really is too small. I pretty much got into kites by flying the Prism Flashlight. It's not a high end kite but it's a nice size and will fly in lower wind. I broke a lot of leading edges learning to cartwheel it but the Prism parts are readily available. For someone new to kites I would really recommend it.

I don't know about the Nik Nak but you can't go wrong with Prism.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 09:11 PM »

I would heartily agree with the suggestion of the NikNak vs. the 4D. No comparison. The NikNak was my first light wind kite, by dumb luck. I think I flew my 4D twice, and then gave it to my son. It was too small for me, I just don't like small kites. It is perfect for my son, because he's small and it seems normal size to him. The NikNak is built better, and doesn't cost that much more.
The suggestion of the Flashlight is also a better choice than the 4D. It's too bad Prism doesn't make kites like that anymore...

Same story for me.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 04:42 AM »

Skyburner/JonT does a particularly nice job with low wind kites.  Recommended.

I would heartily agree with the suggestion of the NikNak vs. the 4D. No comparison. The NikNak was my first light wind kite, by dumb luck. I think I flew my 4D twice, and then gave it to my son. It was too small for me, I just don't like small kites. It is perfect for my son, because he's small and it seems normal size to him. The NikNak is built better, and doesn't cost that much more.
The suggestion of the Flashlight is also a better choice than the 4D. It's too bad Prism doesn't make kites like that anymore...

Same story for me.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 07:34 AM »

Skyburbers (Jon t) service is exemplary and after talking to him, helped me find the right kite after I wanted a different one. I've been extremely happy with his kites and service
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 08:55 AM »

well, I have to say I am very thankful for all of your input--I didn't expect such a great response. Looks like I am going to go with a used Flashlight and see how that goes.
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 05:28 PM »

Nice call, I have been watching that sit there for a long time. I think it is a great beginner Ultra Light. I liked 50 lb X 65 ft lines on mine. Once you get the feel of light wind flying, a Supper Ultra Light won't be far behind.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2014, 05:07 AM »

I love to fly my hq baby tana in real low wind, doesn't trick well but it is cheap (if you can find one) and relatively robust.
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