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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2014, 08:22 AM »

So when are you going to do a workshop? (in our part of the country)?

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2014, 08:43 AM »

I like it enough that the panels for the UL are already cut and sail taped. Home builders are fortunate to have plans like these available.


I've had my panels cut out about a week ago, but I bet you get yours put together before me Wink.


Again as I've stating many times I am new to stunt kites, started with 6 sense build.  So I've been essentially following Dodds flight school video. 

With this kite flying squares to me looks square.

I can slide it across over 1/2 of the window which is better than any other kite I built.

It does axel easy and my half axels are coming along. 

I am still working on fades but could get this kite to Flic Flac fairly consistantly. 

So from My perspective as a novice I am able to learn new things with this kite and do enjoy flying it. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2014, 08:44 AM »

 Smiley

Contact Ken at http://www.kenmcneill.com/ and setup a workshop with a master. He's not that far away and I'd attend another workshop with Ken if available.  I am but a padawan home hack.  One day for me maybe but I'd have to come up with something original  Roll Eyes

So when are you going to do a workshop? (in our part of the country)?
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2014, 05:23 AM »


3D - This is a French kite  Smiley


It's Belgian actually...

Very nice build!
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2014, 06:14 AM »

Apologize for the error  Embarrassed  Thanks for the compliment.  Smiley


3D - This is a French kite  Smiley


It's Belgian actually...

Very nice build!
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2014, 06:08 AM »

In honor of Pi day, the upcoming UL has the circular thing going on with the nose.  r=4".  Kindred spirit with DMFs UL.  Wink


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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2014, 07:19 AM »

Nice clean nose! 

I'm going to frame mine with p100 in LE And spine and 3pt LS with 5 mm US.

What is your plan for the frame?
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2014, 10:27 AM »

Thanks!  The nose was done this morning before work using the TLAR method and before the first cup of coffee was finished.  Considering the adverse work conditions, it came out ok.  Cheesy

Framing is a good question.  Usual suspects include some combination of p90/p100 or my normal preference of 3PT LEs.  I just received my first batch of Nitro Lights so I may try those.  Something for this weekend...

Nice clean nose! 

I'm going to frame mine with p100 in LE And spine and 3pt LS with 5 mm US.

What is your plan for the frame?
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2014, 07:20 PM »

Two Icarex sails done.  One Std Dacron LE and reinforcements (3.3 oz) and one UL RSN LE and reinforcements (2.8 oz).  Still have the Mylar std of course but wanted an Icarex std to eliminate the sail fabric as a variable.  Kept the same leaded panel theme. 

For comparison, the Mylar sail weighs 3.1 oz which is a little lighter (.2 oz) than the Icarex std sail.  If using the Mylar again, I would be inclined to use the heavier TriSpi 40 for the Std and lighter TriSpi 25 for the UL .

Framing plans:

Std
P300 spine
Nitro std LEs
5PT LS
2200 US
3mm standoffs
Raw SS tubes weigh 4 oz.

UL
P100 spine
Nitro Lite LEs
3PT LS
1570 US
2mm standoffs
Raw SS tubes weigh 3 oz.

I expect a full two ounces difference in finished weight.



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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2014, 06:41 AM »

Framed the Std weighs in at 10.5 oz with 25 gr tail weight.  The UL is 8.4 oz with 15 gr tail weight. If you're keeping track of the weights, the UL is 2 oz lighter than the std by .5 oz from the sail, 1.0 oz from the frame tubes, and .5 oz from the standoffs, ferrules, tail weight.

Both need a bridle now.


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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2014, 06:57 AM »

cool stuff!!
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 11:59 AM »

they look great!   Smiley

When you tape the panels together with 924 does it gum up the needle similar to other double sided tape?

Now we need to see a vented one Wink!
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2014, 12:20 PM »

In my experience 924 gums things up less - only a single layer of adhesive vs. more aggressive adhesive on both sides of the sail tapes.

Sail tapes are designed to stick to heavier dacrons, which have a somewhat textured surface. The tape has to have enough adhesive to 'squish' into the fabric. Way overkill for our purposes. 924 is made for use on smooth surfaces, so less gum. I've found it still aggressive enough to hold dacron to PC-31 when sewing leading edges, but just barely.
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2014, 12:59 PM »

+1 Will!

The 924 will leave little glue boogers on the needle to pull off after a long seam and I keep a paper towel with some goof off handy for that.  Has not really been a problem though.  Was happily surprised that the pin striping and extra tape layer gave no additional problems.

For me to be accurate everything that goes through the machine has to be taped first.  Cheesy

Already have an eye on those panels for what might work with a vented project in the future.  Maybe  Wink

In my experience 924 gums things up less - only a single layer of adhesive vs. more aggressive adhesive on both sides of the sail tapes.

Sail tapes are designed to stick to heavier dacrons, which have a somewhat textured surface. The tape has to have enough adhesive to 'squish' into the fabric. Way overkill for our purposes. 924 is made for use on smooth surfaces, so less gum. I've found it still aggressive enough to hold dacron to PC-31 when sewing leading edges, but just barely.

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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2014, 03:02 PM »

I know folks like the look of the pinstriped Mylar sail and a couple people have offered to open their homes and kite bags for kite adoption. I am touched.  Cheesy

The all white Icky pinstriped sail looks pretty spectacular though flying when backlight and the sun moves from panel to panel.  Have to get a video of that ...

I generally like stiff frames and the Nitro LEs work fine in the Monster.  I saw the 5PTs LSs bow a little with the wind this afternoon and the LEs stayed solid so a vented project would be all Nitro.

Looking forward to trying out the UL...
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