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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2014, 06:26 PM »

That is soooo HOT!

We were down in your area yesterday at Jamba Juice. I told my wife to keep an eye out for anyone flying... wish we saw ya, but it would have been hard to spot you with that sail Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2014, 04:34 AM »

Sorry we missed each other.  I tend to pop up at various fields at random times for short sessions depending on which kid has to be where.  Dad's taxi service is my second job  Roll Eyes  We should hook up sometime now that the weather is breaking.  For ten years I've never flown with anyone in the local area.

That is soooo HOT!

We were down in your area yesterday at Jamba Juice. I told my wife to keep an eye out for anyone flying... wish we saw ya, but it would have been hard to spot you with that sail Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2014, 03:41 PM »

sounds great... headed out now for an hour.  I know the schedule thing, but mine just got easier  Cool  weekend mornings are good and now that its light out after 6 is good most days.

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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2014, 03:57 AM »

Added in some typical color for the proto:



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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2014, 09:55 AM »

Steve

That looks really good.  I interested to know why you overlap the vent between panels instead of just using panel 5 (in your templates) as a vent? 

What material do you use to vent as well.

Great work!
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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2014, 11:27 AM »

That's looking good Steve!!! good idea about those velcro vents, something i'll try with my SS
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2014, 03:29 AM »

@DMF  The vent opening is my best guess at what will work given past venting experience, especially with the Exile.  I keep the vent opening centered around the Center of Pressure so the bridle settings remain constant during wind speed and vent opening changes. I'll use the panel outlines if possible but being aerodynamically correct is more important. The opening I cut may be off some and won't know for sure until tested.  This is a proto...

As you know there are a variety of venting strategies; small dispersed cutouts, strip, patch and everything in between.  The midsized patch vent with variable covers seems to work pretty well for me. The screening is standard fiberglass door/window screening from your local home improvement store. 

@MrW  I also use tape to test the vent opening when prototyping.  Ken@BMK has done patch vents and velcro attached covers for years.  I adapted his ideas.  The rolled open variable vent covers may be unique.  Some may not like bits of fabric and velcro stuck to theirs sails but having variable venting for conditions is worth it to me.

Take a look at pics starting below, I actually drew the panel lines to match were the vents should be:


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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2014, 08:45 AM »

WOW, very impressive and nice looking design Steve  Roll Eyes Tongue Please let us know how does it flies  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2014, 11:02 AM »

The Exile is a well known and outstanding flying kite; not a specialist but well rounded and good at most everything. It's a shame Ken no longer builds them. Sad I had the one above out just this afternoon at lunch as the winds were blowing a bit more than usual.  Cool

WOW, very impressive and nice looking design Steve  Roll Eyes Tongue Please let us know how does it flies  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2014, 02:44 PM »

@DMF  The vent opening is my best guess at what will work given past venting experience, especially with the Exile.  I keep the vent opening centered around the Center of Pressure so the bridle settings remain constant during wind speed and vent opening changes. I'll use the panel outlines if possible but being aerodynamically correct is more important. The opening I cut may be off some and won't know for sure until tested.  This is a proto...


Steve that's really helpful I was not sure how vent placement was determined.  This makes sense!

Let me know how this works.
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« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2014, 07:42 AM »

Vent proto framed with all Nitro.  Should be ~11.7 oz RTF, that's 1.3 oz more than the Std.






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« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2014, 12:33 PM »

YESS, YESS , YESS!!!!!

A very good idea worked perfectly!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2014, 12:51 PM »

Great!  Which idea are we celebrating?

YESS, YESS , YESS!!!!!

A very good idea worked perfectly!!!!
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« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2014, 08:57 AM »

Great!  Which idea are we celebrating?

YESS, YESS , YESS!!!!!

A very good idea worked perfectly!!!!
The way that you have coffered the vent's
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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2014, 08:14 PM »

Great!  Which idea are we celebrating?
YESS, YESS , YESS!!!!!
A very good idea worked perfectly!!!!
The way that you have covered the vent's

Thank you.  Here she is outside today for the first flight:



Didn't have the wind meter with me but guess winds to be in low teens.  Standard would have been fine but wanted to try the vent.  First impressions are very good.  With the vents covered, the kite flies like a heavy std.  You know the extra weight is there but the kite carries it well. Fully powered it was easy to flip about with no bad tendencies noted. Sometimes the inertia of extra weight will induce over-steer which is not the case here. The all Nitro frame feels solid.  The bridle and standoffs are stock settings same as the std. Seems a success right off the board. 

The winds were not high enough to need it but wanted to try some venting.  Here she is with vents half open:



Does anyone see an angry bird here?  Cheesy

With this venting the kite was quite light on the lines but fully flying.  Improper venting can really mess up the handling of a kite.  More testing needed but so far so good.  Do not think these vents are far off.  I have a hunch for an adjustment but need to fly several more times in brisk winds first.

As noted earlier in this thread, I like the standard and the vent will make a nice compliment.

I'll have some notes for the UL after another session or two and that will be a longer story.  Let's just say the design attributes that makes the Monster handle higher gusty winds well can make the UL more of a challenge.  More to come...
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