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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2014, 06:16 PM »

Been there done this dance a zillion times....

Rob's statement kind of summed thing up. There are only so many shapes to an airplane wing. I guess all airplanes are therefore copies of the one that started it all.

The patent on Rev kites has long since been over (we've been this to death before). They do still own the trademark... but that is different. Go to a kite festival and I dare you not to see a copy of a Rev being flown. Everyone and their mother makes them. Rev could bitch and complain about this but there is really nothing they can do. Instead I _APPLAUD_ Rev's view on the issue and I have _no doubt_ it's help them make a ton of more money. Rev would rather have you buy one of their kites. But they are not going to beat on people for making their own. In reality this only helps promote their products... and it's worked out quite well for them. I've made two Rev type kites myself. I also own three of them. When someone sees me flying my own I tell them its a kite I made based on a kite called a Revolution and that is the company that makes/sells them. I suspect some of those people then go out and buy one. Not everyone can make their own.

So, please... let's not get started on this "Rev copy" thing again.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to ignore.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2014, 01:38 AM »

Looking at the closeups at the end of the video its not a 'Rev knock off' - its framed like a Quadriflex with 2 crossing leading edges. I once made a kite framed like a Quadriflex and it did have a nice stability in all directions.

From memory the Rev patent covered two kites side by side so there may have been an issue but that expired long ago, with regard to being a knock off in shape I don't recall any rev with 2 crossed leading edges.
 
I got tired of this whole argument years ago and was sufficiently alienated by representatives of Revolution Kites that I sold the two I had. I've not been a fan of the eyes but this is one of Lam's kites that I might buy.


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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2014, 03:43 AM »

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I wish I could remember the name of the German quadline kite that looks like two opposing arrowheads.

You mean the Knockout?
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2014, 10:25 AM »

Looks to me like a updated QuadraFlex.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2014, 06:14 PM »

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I wish I could remember the name of the German quadline kite that looks like two opposing arrowheads.


You mean the Knockout?


Right!!  Aviator Kites



Flapjacks, Slot machines, Lazy Susans, Axel Cascades... now THAT'S a progressive quadliner!

Looks to me like a updated QuadraFlex.


circa 1990... now that's an OLD quadliner!


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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2014, 11:18 PM »

I am a Lam fan.  He puts his heart soul into design and build.  But will ABS perform any different than a REV.  REV has some nice attributes.  Commonality of all the spares.  Crashability with the bungees.  Omni directional flight.  I will have to feel one of these in my hands and be convinced by flying one.

Said similar things about the his dual line kites .  Flew a Fearless and it is the only kite I have flown now for about 5 years. 

It would be fun to take the boredom out of multiline with  competitor to REV.  I will at least liven up some of the evening discussions.  It might also force some more rational pricing into the 4 line scene. 

One thing I noticed is there is no horizontal vent  under the leading edge.  That is a major improvement because that vent has a life expectancy of about 2 years and then you better be pretty good on a sewing machine to replace it.  Rev does not even have a replacement service for this.  That could be a key factor in selection.

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2014, 12:17 AM »

Yeah Rev's patent broadly covered the idea of having two separately controllable surfaces able to pivot independently. That pretty much covered any variation of the bowtie design. Rev did aggressively protect the patent even after it had expired since the threat of going to court and the associated costs was enough to keep small manufactures from producing competing designs. Not knocking them for it, the Hadzicki's put a lot of thought into the design of the whole system before it came to market and there have been no significant changes to the whole system over 27 years now. They got it right the first time and I think they deserved a pretty exclusive market for their effort which is what a patent provides.

And I agree, those might be the only Lam graphics I've really liked, great 3d effect.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2014, 07:16 AM »

I see Dodd Gross announced on his Facebook page that he is getting an ABS and is going to start teaching quad lines with it.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2014, 08:14 AM »

Im loving my ABS 5 kite set....
so new, so different, so better....
everything else is "old school" to me...
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2014, 02:55 PM »

Where can I get one of these? Are they available for purchase?

Thanks, Mark
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2014, 04:38 PM »

I did a Google search on this kite  and came up with nothing. Apparently they are not on the market yet.
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2014, 04:41 PM »

Looks like lam has not added it to his website yet..,
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2014, 06:02 AM »

Not everything is on Google...
and yes they are available for order
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2014, 06:23 AM »

Not everything is on Google...
and yes they are available for order

Where? 
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2014, 06:33 AM »

Email Lam ? That's usually the way you get one of his kites...
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