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« on: June 04, 2014, 06:19 AM »

Seems the best way to have a kite that flies like the Exile is to start with an Exile. The goal is to enhance trick ability while maintaining that Blue Moon feel and flying ability.

Keel widened and extended with Mylar panel.  LEs swept forward by raising lower spreaders and center T.  Standoffs moved out and closer spaced. Can you tell?



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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 07:47 AM »

Interesting 

It looks a little different but I could not identify where without your comments.

How does it fly and trick?
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 10:26 AM »

What specifically were you trying to improve?
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 12:15 PM »

Yeah I almost didn't post this.  It's pretty pompous to think I can improve an already well regarded kite from a respected builder. Cutting holes and adding vents is one thing, changing the sail outline and frame geometry is something else.  Nothing new happens however unless you try.

Short story is the Exile has been my favorite kite for some time now.  It's reliable, wind efficient, smooth, and does most everything well. It's been described as a neutral handling kite and I have versions for most wind conditions.  The Exile though is not a trick specialist and I have been lusting after a design that makes rollups and JL type tricks as accessible as cascades, fades, and backspins. I do have kites that trick really well (most newer designs will) they just don't fly as well as the Exile/Mamba style designs especially inland.

Recent builds and comparing newer designs got me thinking plus Ken said he started by modifying other designs he liked and going from there and suggested I might do the same.  Not sure he was thinking I should start with one of his kites though Wink

Anyway I looked at the design trends used on most all recent kites and decided to evolve the Exile in that direction while hopefully not sacrificing too much.

I am pleasantly surprised so far.  I've not ruined the Exile and once the standoffs were sorted out, it now has a little deeper and longer backflip. Rollups are easier and JLs reliable. It needs a little more wind now to power up which may not be a bad thing since the Exile sail tends to load quickly. I'm undecided if I like how axles and backspins have changed.  Change one thing and other things will be affected...

I'm going to fly this along side a stock Exile for a while and likely tinker some more. Will likely adapt the UL and Vent when happy with the mix.

For those happily flying Ken's Exile, keep right on flying and ignore me.  I just like to tinker...
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2014, 02:27 PM »

Sounds like a very good project. This is definitely how things evolve.

Still, a mylar center panel on a Blue Moon? Makes me think Mark Reed had a wild weekend at one of Kens kite making workshops.  Huh

Just teasing. Probably the right material for the job at hand.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 04:37 AM »

Good humored teasing is good.  Smiley Sometimes the net seems too serious and looking for reasons to be offended  Roll Eyes

The Mylar panel is absolutely Prism inspired.  Once the nose was off and panels separated I was still debating the color for the center panel.  The Zephyr bag was standing in the corner and thought why not Mylar?  It looks pretty good actually. 

Had a good session with the modded Exile yesterday and am really liking the changes.  It's more whackable now and I did more JLs and rollups with the kite in one session than the entire year so far.

To be clear there are a number of very good trick oriented kites out there with a loyal following.  I'm not looking for the Exile to become an absolute trick machine but to move a bit in that direction to add to the fun factor.  Kites in my bag that are closer to what I'm looking for include anything new from Skyburner (I like the Solus and Ocius best) and perhaps the Zeph.

I'm driving the family around Yellowstone area for the next couple weeks and when back would be interested in getting a thumbs up or down feedback from fellow Exile flyers. Shoot me a PM if interested at all in that...

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2014, 12:04 PM »

The project continues.  Here is the modded Exile UL prototype




As with the Standard, the changes include a broader and longer keel, deeper tunnel, swept forward LEs, and reconfigured standoffs. 

Flight description:  Have had several trimming sessions in varying conditions and am getting close to a final configuration.  As stated above, I'm quite pleased with the modded Exile.  The low wind range, wind efficiency, and overall smoothness are still there.  Interestingly the pull is lighter and the forward speed is slower and more evenly paced (much like the Mongoose).  The sail does not load as quickly when the winds pick up giving the kite a broader sweet spot wind range and makes stalling and initiating tricks easier.  Tricks are easier and more reliable. The UL will even rollup and JL reliably.  I seldom did these with the UL before.

Overall the kite is smooth, relaxed, and easy to fly  - a standard Blue Moon feature.

I have not noticed any induced bad habits. Perhaps the low end is not quite as low and the axles are not quite as flat as before but a small price to pay for all the other goodies.  I'm encouraged enough to continue with the vent and an SUL.

I think I've scored with this one Smiley




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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2014, 03:35 PM »


Great looking kite. 

Sounds like if flys even better than it looks.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2014, 07:37 PM »

Looking (and sounding) good!
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2014, 09:26 PM »

congrats on the mods steve!
nice extra fine touches you have made. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2014, 09:53 PM »

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Standoffs moved out and closer spaced. Can you tell?
yes Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 06:25 PM »

Nice job Steve! That B&W asymmetrical UL looks awesome! Makes me now wish I hadn't sold my Std. Exile years ago!  Sad Keep up the good work!
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2014, 03:11 AM »

Very striking build!  Its one of the best asyms I've seen in my opinion!
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2014, 08:33 PM »

How I spent my weekend, a TriSpi 40 modded Exile standard:



This will likely be my last Exile build for a while as the first pass of the project is fairly complete.  Heck I even made new templates. There is the Standard, UL, Vented, and an SUL. I have enough of each to keep me flying for a looong time.

Have spent most of the summer on the project and am pretty pleased with the results. One is even out on the west coast now being flown and tested.  I'm curious to see if I'm the only one who likes it  Wink

I'll work on some more videos showing the various models and their flight characteristics.  We know the vent can fly figures, let's see what else they can do ...

Thanks for all the nice comments so far. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2014, 12:36 AM »

That looks stunning.  Hope if flies as good as it looks.  Cool
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