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« on: June 10, 2014, 02:49 PM »

just been looking at the Benson site! Grin
wow,what beautiful quality made kites!!!
like the look of the gemini but prefer to have the deep space!
the ultralite version has a amazing wind range of 1-15 mph,better than my new pro dancer i got recently!
what are your thoughts on the deep space please?
good looking kite i must say,has very narrow wing tip look!
thanks in advance guys
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 02:56 PM »

You must always take the stated wind range of a kite with the proverbial "grain of salt".

Factors that can change the wind range of a kite:
  Skill of pilot
  Altitude above sea level
  Temperature
  Humidity
  Obstructions
  Smoothness of wind

No UL is going to fly in 1 mph wind unless the pilot is moving his/her feet and

always looking for the direction (which often changes when the wind is low).

Walk forward at 1.5 feet/sec (slow pace). That is how much wind the kite is feeling.

It's very small.

The Benson UL will not fly in less wind than a Pro Dancer.

I like the Benson UL, but do not be fooled into thinking you or I could fly it in 1 mph winds

without a lot of work.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 03:21 PM »

Also consider what definition of flying is used.
Keep the kite in the air and hammer out some tricks?
Or have the kite fly under his own power?
The difference between those can be easily several mph wide in practice.
Variant 1 uses a lot of pumping the kite up, do your tricks and repeat.
That will make the kite seem to be able to be flown in less wind then it can actually fly.
Why? Because you don''t really fly the kite, you keep it in the air until you can toss it around for the next trick.
While having the kite fly under his own power at low winds is much more demanding on the kite and pilot. Because you need to generate the lift and drive out of the existing wind instead of just pumping the kite up.

The Deepspace ul is more of a type 1, while the pro dancer is more of a type 2 kite.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 04:50 PM »

Also consider what definition of flying is used.
Keep the kite in the air and hammer out some tricks?
Or have the kite fly under his own power?
The difference between those can be easily several mph wide in practice.
Variant 1 uses a lot of pumping the kite up, do your tricks and repeat.
That will make the kite seem to be able to be flown in less wind then it can actually fly.
Why? Because you don''t really fly the kite, you keep it in the air until you can toss it around for the next trick.
While having the kite fly under his own power at low winds is much more demanding on the kite and pilot. Because you need to generate the lift and drive out of the existing wind instead of just pumping the kite up.

The Deepspace ul is more of a type 1, while the pro dancer is more of a type 2 kite.


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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 06:06 PM »

The Deep Space is an amazing kite if you are into freestyle. It is a little quirky and unpredictable but has amazing beautiful loft/hang. Where other kites drop the DS will float and spin sometimes gaining altitude when you'd think it should fall. It is more like improvisational jazz and less like a ballet.

One of my favorite kites for sure.

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 06:22 PM »

I got a used Deep Space on this forum from a first class member.
It is an awesome kite.  You will love it every time you fly.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 06:30 PM »

Deep space is a great kite. I was fortunate to get the first UL in the U.S. when it was still a prototype, but at what ended up being the production configuration. I've flown the kite from 1-15mph, but it's best range is 2-10. In 2 it needs lots of effort to keep i the air, like any tricky UL, and at 10 it starts to get pretty fast. Even though I enjoyed the UL, I like the standard version more. It's in my top five modern kites. Really great.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2014, 07:34 PM »

Deep space is a great kite. I was fortunate to get the first UL in the U.S. when it was still a prototype, but at what ended up being the production configuration. I've flown the kite from 1-15mph, but it's best range is 2-10. In 2 it needs lots of effort to keep i the air, like any tricky UL, and at 10 it starts to get pretty fast. Even though I enjoyed the UL, I like the standard version more. It's in my top five modern kites. Really great.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 09:11 PM »

"quirky and unpredictable". I definitely dont agree.
Go watch Benson's trick or treat video. An amazing kite imho. I have an ul, std and vented.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 11:34 PM »

As John stated Web site specs don't mean anything  its what you can do with the kite that matters. 

Here is an visual: Does it matter what the cornering specs are for this motorcycle driven by this pilot. What is important is what you can do riding it!



Another example: A friend told me how fast her new BMW 2 seater was.  I said let's use a upcoming 5 mile canyon of twisty roads to find out. In less than 2 miles my Chevy pickup was up the road and out of site.  Noone would say a pickup is faster than a sports car.  We had different skills.  The only real comparison would be one person driving both vehicles.

There a many flyers who can fly and do tricks in wind that I can not even keep that kite in the air. Their skills are better than mine.  The only wind range comparison is by the same person flying different kites.

So from my kite bag I can fly the shadow, WMUL & freestylist UL fly in less wind than my deep space UL. My Talon and Zepher need more. I love my deep space while it needs a little more wind, it will also rolls up better than the three lower wind kites, but not as well as the higher wind ULs. So lower wind range often means lower abilities in some areas.

Remember, No  one kite will do it all and their is no perfect kite.  Just go out and fly what you have.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 12:14 AM »

I agree with everything above....

Technically, my Widow Maker UL will fly in 0 to 10 mph winds.  In 0 winds, you have to run backwards like mad and keep it moving constantly....better have a ton of stamina.

Keeping the kite in the air in 1 mph winds is totally different than enjoying flying in 1 mph winds.  In that wind range, I would take the pro dancer over the deepspace UL...and my Widowmaker UL.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 12:27 AM »

Great kite, amazing build quality and in the right hands one of the best trick kites out there but has a very definate 'Benson' style of flying.  It likes to keep moving, flowing from one trick into the next, it doesn't like pauses. The biggest problem for me was that it has a pretty shallow backflip and if you don't have the right technique any backflip/rotational trick can end in tip wraps - at least it did for me, can be a bit twitchy too. Seems to like steady breezes more than the rough inland winds I get.  The UL is more 'floaty' that the standard and while Tim Benson may be able to get it to fly down to 1mph in the sea breezes of a Devon beach, I suspect mere mortals may struggle. If you can master the Benson style of flying it's an amazing kite...I couldn't and sold it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 03:56 AM »

Everything everyone is saying about the difficulty flying in really low wind is true. The only people who can really make it work are the real experts. I have to feel it on the back of my neck to fly. If I can't feel it I'm probably not flying. My DS standard is one of my favorite kites. I agree with the shallow back flip thought - it's really hard to get right. I've had the kite for years but I don't fly it for the back flip trick/rotational tricks. It does nice cascades and roll ups. Slots and 540s are there too. If the DS UL flies anything like the standard except in lower wind it's a nice kite. (The DS has a nice low end too so I'm not sure how much more you get out of the UL.)
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 09:24 PM »

i luv the fact that the benson range has a curved leading edge which i luv the look of!
the sail looks nice and firmly made and sown!
210 pounds is worth every bit i say!
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 09:52 PM »

i luv the fact that the benson range has a curved leading edge which i luv the look of!
the sail looks nice and firmly made and sown!
210 pounds is worth every bit i say!

Time to pick out colors  Grin
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