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Author Topic: Tazes and Tail Weight?  (Read 1615 times)
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« on: July 02, 2009, 09:03 PM »

Hi,

I suck at taz machines. Whenever I did one its more a case of "hit and hope for the best" going well.

As a general rule of thumb, is there a correlation between amount of tail weight and ease of the trick happening? How pretty it looks doesn't matter for now since that will come later, getting the rotation is more important first.

Kite of choice is the Cosmic TC (Yes I know, don't look at me like that).

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 10:16 PM »

If I change the tail weight it doesn't seem to change the kites ability to Taz but choice of kite sure does. I haven't tried a Cosmic TC so I'm not sure of it's Taz potential. Go ahead and try it on other kites especially if it's one that others Taz well. Some kites just won't Taz for me.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 10:36 PM »

If I change the tail weight it doesn't seem to change the kites ability to Taz but choice of kite sure does. I haven't tried a Cosmic TC so I'm not sure of it's Taz potential. Go ahead and try it on other kites especially if it's one that others Taz well. Some kites just won't Taz for me.

Thanks. Apparently the cosmic is one of the easiest tazing kites in the business so that says something about the flyer than the kite  Embarrassed (it's mostly about the flyer anyway)

I'll play around bit more and hope for better results.

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 10:45 PM »

kites with turbos are also easier to taz IMO
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 02:17 AM »

I'm sure more weight on the ctc hurts the taz. Make sure you lay the top wing back before the first  input and the second input is a bit later than you would think.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 06:35 AM »

I don't know who it was, but someone gave me the advice of REMOVING the tail weight in my Sea Devil to make the TAZ easier to learn.  It's worked.  The taz is still an 75% success rate trick (when I am warmed up on it), even on the Cosmic...and esp. if I hold myself to counting only REAL taz machines, which are those that spin in one place, lines slack.

The Cosmic will provide you with easy 'ugly' taz machines, where the spin is moving sideways or backwards (or isn't so much a spin as a floating rotation) without to much fuss.  However, I find the 'spinning fast on a pole' version nearly as hard on the Cosmic as on the Sea Devil.

On the Cosmic, you should really first try get the 540 to be super tight.  If you see how this trick spins on a Cosmic (go ahead and hit it hard), you'll know where you should be aiming for the taz machine.   

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 07:15 AM »

Thanks obi that was helpful I'll try for a high hit rate on my 540 first. Do you have the nose point high for a 540 on the cosmic like a taz or do you have the nose relatively flat?

On the point about the ugly tazes on the cosmic I quite agree with that. I enjoy Kitehouse's videos but the tazes shown are mostly always the floating ones not those that seems like the kite is suddenly impaled on a pole and spinning in one spot.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 10:05 AM »

I find the 540 on the Cosmic a real giveaway. 

I just basically fly down at a slight angle, and only throw one arm forward for the flare.  When it flares out, just pop the line you hold back and take a step forward. 

You should have ANY problems with this.  I have seen your vids.   Cool

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 10:16 AM »

have you tried them on a mamba or muse?
no weight. the mambas do it pretty well, and i dont know why.
muses give it away easily too.

i havent tried a TC, so i cant help ya there. maybe practice it in close to zero winds so you can see your imputs and how the kite slowly moves around...? thats how i work up my tricks..
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 10:53 AM »

Two key points on the Taz:

The input for the rotation, nose high away. This varies depending on the kite used but it's critical for success to hit it right.

Lots of slack. As much or more than just about any other trick.

Practicing toward the window edge will help too.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 11:27 AM »


One thing to add: When you give input for the spin it can help that the line is TIGHT not slack when you make the pull input  Wink
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