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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 08:47 AM »

If MIX was to actually be adopted, I believe I would rather support "for Fliers only" Comps that offer the two disciplines. 
If the oh-so-controversial MIX format competition also came with big prizes how strong would your resolve be then ?

Over on this side of "The Pond" I've never quite grasped the reason why AKA/USAians stick to such narrow competitions. It seems to take specialisation to the limits.

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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2009, 08:56 AM »

I doubt it'd change.   Cool
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2009, 01:16 PM »

Big prizes for a sport kite comp...


You funny!
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2009, 04:43 PM »

Hey, there used to be.  We had a comp in the UK with cash prizes and in 1996/7 there was a competition in Guadeloupe with decent cash prizes and all expenses paid for competitors to get and stay there.

Things have changed now and times are harder.!

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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2009, 11:40 PM »

Big prizes for a sport kite comp... You funny!

Lemme see... I've got a custom kite, fancy spars, neat accessories, clothing, kitchenware and money to give away and a full inbox. I reckon a little good, old-fashioned bribery would peel away those reservations about MIX like tequila at Spring Break.

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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2009, 09:40 AM »

Hey, there used to be.  We had a comp in the UK with cash prizes and in 1996/7 there was a competition in Guadeloupe with decent cash prizes and all expenses paid for competitors to get and stay there.

Things have changed now and times are harder.!

Mark

I believe I saw $10,000 in prizes listed for a big event in S.F. in the early '90s.

Back when sport kite comps drew spectators, but even more important, new flyers. These days most new flyers are NOT thrilled by comps. We're talking old fashioned AKA comps in this context.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2009, 10:14 AM »

More people might compete, regardless of format, if there was a non AKA option available. I was really hoping TP would come to the West Coast. But it seems they are no more.  Sad

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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2009, 11:58 AM »

I was really hoping TP would come to the West Coast. But it seems they are no more.  Sad
We tried, in the Northwest.  It just didn't catch on.
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2009, 01:08 PM »

There should be a TP added on to the end of the AKA format and this NEEDS to  be integrated into the AKA program - NOW. It failed in the NorthEAST because it was all by ITSELF.
You would need to eliminate certain AKA program events like OIOU or where you have one or two teams competing among themselves which I really have to question their CURRENT WORTH - although I had the idea of flying a 2-3 minute dual kite OIOU routine next year in Wildwood blind-folded - sort of how I flew at Liberty recently  Cheesy.
Some flyers say AKA events are not for every flyer. I agree based on the current format. I had one veteran flyer tell me the AKA does not want anything to do with trick flying at all - after what I consider a half decent ballet program perfromance in Wildwood and an unfortunate (my opinion) poor performance at Liberty the ballet program unquestionably requires alot of skill and preperation particuarly when the wind is not in your favor. I do not take part in Precision because at my beach where I practice most weekedns now flying 100-125' lines most of the times is not an option between June-September. So why compete in a flying practice I generally do not get to practice. Actually - I do find it boring. I would prefer to learn NEW tricks and perfect current trick combinations. This is my real passion in  dual line kite flying - this of course is very time consuming.
The current AKA format in my opinion in some ways is not comensurate with the current dual line sport kite which in my opinion is primarily MADE JUST TO TRICK. The current AKA events do bring fellowship with one another, imparts discipline into your bag and you get to see a good array of new kite designs, etc.. Discipline to me now being defined as a Master flyer told me recently in sticking with one kite design and learning it inside/out. You can never really get good by kite jumping. Who can argue. I think these AKA events also solidify this lesson. Precision & ballet programs indirectly do make you a good flyer I do see a limitation with lack of trick flying in your programs not being a real negative on your SCORE -  I saw one Master Flyer recently fly nothing but straight lines in a recent ballet program and get a score of 60-something. He traveled around 500 miles just to do this ...
What's going on here? Where are we going? What is the current measuring scale between NOVICE/EXPERIENCED/MASTER? Since we are down to threshold numbers in participants is any decision too risky for AKA event modifications? Maybe - as we could lose certain veterans that show up to these events. Although only at my third AKA event at Liberty is seems alot of people are living in the PAST.
My only point - integrate TP into AKA - NOW! Actually - what little I know about quads - the current AKA format works fine for this kite design (precision & ballet) - but NOT for duals - NO WAY. DUALS - Ballet, Precision, TP. With TP as a flight option on the sign up form - who is really going to leave or get INTIMIDATED. Nobody.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2009, 01:24 PM »

We tried, in the Northwest.  It just didn't catch on.

It was a great effort though, but I do have to agree with those who are reminiscing about the old days that the time has come and gone.  Look at the Lady in Red video and how it was on TV and then look up "Expert kite flyer" on youtube.

No offense to VF guys, whom I have major respect, but I think VF can potentially take away the desire to travel and what really got organized kiting started.

I think there should be a focus on recruiting and paving the way to create more festivals to get the fan base back and then reinvest the time into comps.
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2009, 02:06 PM »

There should be a TP added on to the end of the AKA format and this NEEDS to  be integrated into the AKA program - NOW. It failed in the NorthEAST because it was all by ITSELF.
IMO it didn't fail.  We had a crew of fliers and staff who were quite dedicated to it, and for that we are grateful.  We simply didn't have the energy or desire to market it further, and our interests were beginning to move away from kiting, so we chose to shut it down.  We started TP-USA, and we made the decision to terminate it.

From the noticeable improvements in skill level I saw, and the good times people seemed to have competing in it, I'd hardly call it a "failure".

BTW, the most successful and enjoyable Tricks Parties were the standalone ones, not the ones we tried to shoehorn into an existing AKA event.  Many of the things that make it enjoyable are the same things that make it incompatible with existing IRB style competition.
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2009, 03:03 PM »

How was the turnout like for a TP event stateside?

I regard TP USA not as failing, but not "Self sustaining".
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2009, 03:55 PM »

The goal here is to bring in more flyers and move away of putting the burden on a very small core group of INDEPENDENT experienced TP flyers if the TP was to come back here in the States. This burden should now belong with the AKA. In terms of the TP's I went to - only three - I consider them all equal in enjoyment - the TP run by Dave Smith & yourself in CT. with the novice class was KEY - in which the novice could pick any three tricks and then fly his TP ballet. I just think there are a few wasted events in the current AKA line-up which could be filled with a TP (Novice/Experienced) competition. A third dual line competing area along with ballet and precision has in my opinion come knocking on the door. Maybe failure is too strong a word ... its just ENDED ... unfortunately. This is something I would SUPPORT ... both with my time and money.
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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2009, 09:02 PM »

No offense to VF guys, whom I have major respect, but I think VF can potentially take away the desire to travel and what really got organized kiting started.
A minute and a half's flying every few months really isn't a replacement for a festival. Or it shouldn't be.

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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2009, 09:14 PM »

I'd be all for seeing TP back in action in the states as long as it was not associated with AKA in any way shape or form.


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