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Author Topic: Prism E3 vs. Other High End Board Favorite Kites  (Read 9191 times)
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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2009, 12:49 PM »

If you took away my Talon and gave me an E3, I'd quit flying kites.

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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2009, 02:16 PM »


Truth to it all is that the ability of a kite to perform comes down to the pilot.  It doesn't matter how good the kite is made, it doesn't matter what material is used, doesn't even matter how the stitching is done.  If a pilot is a good enough pilot, they can make "just about" any kite perform like a high end $300.00 kite.  The E3 can jacobs ladder just as easy as the Exile.  As far as it's ability to perform (certain) tricks, the E3 is just as good a kite as some of the high end boutique kites.  Just because it is mass produced doesn't mean that it can't perform.  With a good enough pilot, the E3 is capable of doing some pretty amazing things that would impress even the best of the best.



Nice to see someone on this thread with a brain.

These jokers that think "high end" kites are way better don't know jack.  They remind of people who think expensive wine tastes better.  Then you tell them the bottle cost 6 bucks and they decide it's not as good as they thought.

I have no doubt what so ever you could change the sail graphics on the E3 and put a Benson label on it and they'd think it was the most amazing kite ever.

A lot of these guys want to believe they have something special and like to scoff at Prism's mass produced kites as if they're totally inferior.  They got their noses bent out of shape when Prism started manufacturing kites overseas.  It's all a big joke, don't fall for it.

Always remember that there are trade offs with all kite designs. The E3 is more of an all around design that doesn't have any radical tendencies.  If they had designed it to have radical pitch ability, than I doubt the target audience for the E3 would be very happy.  The kite wasn't designed for the .000001% of kite flyers who want a radical kite.  Does that mean it's an inferior design, no, it means it's a different design for a different kind of flyer. 

With that said, the E3 will take you as far as you want to reasonably go.  Trust me, it will do every trick in the book. Going out and buying a 400 dollar custom boutique kite isn't going to make you a better flier.
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2009, 02:28 PM »

If you took away my Talon and gave me an E3, I'd quit flying kites.

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2009, 02:52 PM »


With that said, the E3 will take you as far as you want to reasonably go.  Trust me, it will do every trick in the book. Going out and buying a 400 dollar custom boutique kite isn't going to make you a better flier.

I really should of came out and said that with my Transfer XTr comment as it really did nothing for me, but I still want to emphasize if you try a kite and like it then go with it.  I am a firm believer that a someone should fly something they can "connect" with and not neccessarily have to change their own style to fly.  It kinda makes the learning process easier.

They remind of people who think expensive wine tastes better.  Then you tell them the bottle cost 6 bucks and they decide it's not as good as they thought.


Or $2 for us Charles Shaw fans


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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2009, 02:59 PM »

Because I really enjoy flying my Talon and I really didn't enjoy flying the E2.

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2009, 03:22 PM »

Bet you wouldn't say the same if it were an E1...
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2009, 03:40 PM »

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I am a firm believer that a someone should fly something they can "connect" with and not neccessarily have to change their own style to fly.  It kinda makes the learning process easier.

I agree. I have yet to "connect" with my Acrobatx.  Cry  But I did "connect" with my Muse.  Grin  Ground recoveries are so much easier. Flies in lighter winds. I got it used on the Swap Meet. Great deal. Great Kite.

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2009, 03:41 PM »


Truth to it all is that the ability of a kite to perform comes down to the pilot.  It doesn't matter how good the kite is made, it doesn't matter what material is used, doesn't even matter how the stitching is done.  If a pilot is a good enough pilot, they can make "just about" any kite perform like a high end $300.00 kite.  The E3 can jacobs ladder just as easy as the Exile.  As far as it's ability to perform (certain) tricks, the E3 is just as good a kite as some of the high end boutique kites.  Just because it is mass produced doesn't mean that it can't perform.  With a good enough pilot, the E3 is capable of doing some pretty amazing things that would impress even the best of the best.



I think the operative word in this whole statement is "IF a pilot is a good enough pilot..."

What if he or she isn't???



I have no doubt what so ever you could change the sail graphics on the E3 and put a Benson label on it and they'd think it was the most amazing kite ever.


Have you ever flown a Benson Kite?Huh




The E3 is more of an all around design that doesn't have any radical tendencies.  If they had designed it to have radical pitch ability, than I doubt the target audience for the E3 would be very happy.


Really???
 

The kite wasn't designed for the .000001% of kite flyers who want a radical kite.


I think that more than 1 in 100,000 people who buy dual line kites want to do radical tricks!



With that said, the E3 will take you as far as you want to reasonably go.  Trust me, it will do every trick in the book. Going out and buying a 400 dollar custom boutique kite isn't going to make you a better flier.


I, personally, am NOT a reasonably person about kite flying. I want to become very good at it. So I buy the best tools that I can find to achieve that goal. A boutique kite will not guaranty that you will become a better kite flyer but it will speed up the process towards that goal.

A very personal opinion..., Please do not compare a Benson DS to a E3.  
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2009, 03:46 PM »

www.ickytv.org

If I flew that E1 like that back in the days I could have ruled the kite world.

On another tangent, does anyone have the old video of Mark Reed doing a disgusting amount of backspins with an Elixir using 20ft lines?
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2009, 04:12 PM »

Nice video. But I'll keep my Talon.

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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2009, 04:33 PM »

On another tangent, does anyone have the old video of Mark Reed doing a disgusting amount of backspins with an Elixir using 20ft lines?


Are you talking about the footage taken at Shoreline Park?
http://www.marindv.com/MReed_Elixir.html

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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2009, 05:13 PM »

Yup, friggin awesome.  Does that count as a pioneering moment?
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2009, 05:36 PM »

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They remind of people who think expensive wine tastes better.  Then you tell them the bottle cost 6 bucks and they decide it's not as good as they thought.
Spot on

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I have no doubt what so ever you could change the sail graphics on the E3 and put a Benson label on it and they'd think it was the most amazing kite ever.
And again.

Quote from: anOldMan
"...Have you ever flown a Benson Kite?..."

Yep, and sold it.
I was able to see past the label

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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2009, 07:03 PM »

A lot of these guys want to believe they have something special and like to scoff at Prism's mass produced kites as if they're totally inferior.  They got their noses bent out of shape when Prism started manufacturing kites overseas.  It's all a big joke, don't fall for it.

The one place I'll disagree with you is regarding mass produced kites versus the artisan/boutique ones.  I would seriously doubt you can find a skilled laborer overseas who cares as much about the finished product as an artisan kite-maker who has followed his or her design from sketch to prototype through to production for the individuals who specifically seek them out.
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2009, 07:52 PM »

A lot of these guys want to believe they have something special and like to scoff at Prism's mass produced kites as if they're totally inferior.  They got their noses bent out of shape when Prism started manufacturing kites overseas.  It's all a big joke, don't fall for it.

The one place I'll disagree with you is regarding mass produced kites versus the artisan/boutique ones.  I would seriously doubt you can find a skilled laborer overseas who cares as much about the finished product as an artisan kite-maker who has followed his or her design from sketch to prototype through to production for the individuals who specifically seek them out.

Gotta agree Jared,
I don't think anyone can put an E3 in the same leaque as a boutique/artisan's kite......just look at the price difference, and even in the Prism line the E2/E3/Zephyr.........compare them to the QPro Sad  Check out the materials, the stitching, the attention to detail.....those things are just not there with the mass produced kites no matter where they're made.......  It's not saying the E3 won't fly well, it's just saying there's a difference in quality, period.  I think Lam said it best, "Why would anyone buy ten $40 kites when they could buy one for the same price, that would hold up to whatever you threw at it?"
Granted, a newbie would be silly to fork out $500 for a kite never having flown, before. (and he wouldn't get to fly my Fearless's either) Roll Eyes

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