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« on: September 26, 2016, 03:21 PM »

I"m flying for less then a year. I'm currently working on my fade relatec skills.

I have noticed that in mid winds when I take out the tail weight of my Benson SuperFly STD then flare to fade becomes very easy for me.

I would have expected it to be the other way around, since I can guess that the weight might help with the actual flip by pushing the tail down and the nose up....am I right?

Also I'd appreciate a recommendation regarding the optinal wind speed that will require the use or not of the SuperFly's weight.

Thanks guy :-)

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 05:51 PM »

I don't know why, but I have noticed that a kite with too much tail weight can suffer with the flare to fade and flick flack.

I don't have a ton of time in the SuperFly, but I believe that it's designed to just keep the weight in all the time.   At least for me, I never add or remove weight to any kite once I get the optimum amount on there - I just fly it. 

Good luck!

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2016, 02:16 PM »

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I have noticed that in mid winds when I take out the tail weight of my Benson SuperFly STD then flare to fade becomes very easy for me.

I would have expected it to be the other way around, since I can guess that the weight might help with the actual flip by pushing the tail down and the nose up....am I right?
I'll have a go at answering...  There are a couple of possible reasons for finding that the flare to fade is easier without the tail weight:

1) When the kite goes from flare to fade, it is flying trailing edge first in an arc.  The trailing edge is generating lift that makes the kite fly in the arc. 
To see this effect close up, hold your kite (without the lines) in the flare position, spine horizontal, push it horizontally back to give it some momentum and let go. - You should see the kite lift up at the trailing edge and with enough momentum it should fly up in an arc to (and past) the fade position. 

Weight at the tail acts against the lift, making flying in the arc a little more difficult.

2) How are you getting into the flare? - From downward normal flight, when you release the lines for the flare the nose goes backwards (i.e. kite goes in an arc, with the leading edge generating more lift), and with the tail weight in you have a bit more momentum... - With the tail weight in, is the kite over-rotating so that the tail of the spine is lower than the nose?  - If so it is difficult to get the ''flying in an arc trailing edge first effect".  This is because when the tail of the spine is lower than the nose, pulling on the lines can just pull the kite back towards the flyer, without the sail at the trailing edge being at the angle to the direction of travel that generates the lift.
To see this effect close up, hold your kite (without the lines) in the flare position, but now with the top of the sail horizontal, and push it horizontally back to give it some momentum and let go.  You'll probably find that the kite glides backwards in a more or less horizontal path.

Is this of any help?

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Also I'd appreciate a recommendation regarding the optinal wind speed that will require the use or not of the SuperFly's weight.
Sorry, can't help with this. Never had the chance to fly one, but if anyone would like to let me have a go sometime, I'd be very grateful...
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 12:08 AM »

Thank you damp_weather.

This is very clear and helpful.

I guess that I will have some practicing sessions w/o the weight or with a half weighted homemade weight. Once done I will go back to the original setup.

Every new trick takes me forever to master, but the joy and satisfaction at the end is great :-)

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 09:09 AM »

Yesterday I used the half weighted self-made weight and the result was wonderful  Grin

I succeeded with 99% of the flare-fades and with about 75% of my flic-flacks...

Within a few weeks I'll go back to the original setup.
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