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« on: November 01, 2017, 01:50 PM »

I have really enjoyed Peters kites for years now and of course been buying used as they are not made anymore. It seems that most of them have been modified at one time or another so I'm hoping that some kite nerd out there might have spar sizes and lengths they can get to me. I was hoping to ask Peter himself but he does not seem to be active here and I don't know how to contact him otherwise. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ted
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 01:59 PM »

Which model(s)? I have a Vanishing Point Gold, a Vanishing Point Platinum, and a Warrior UL that are still original if you need specs for any of them.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2017, 04:19 PM »

Allen Carter had(has?) A few over the years, and the way back machine grabbed a lot of sportkite.com and archived it pretty well with specs
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 08:51 PM »

Tell us what you need and those of us afflicted will try to help. In my personal stable, the older kites are framed in Avia spars, while the newer ones were Skyshark. I have a couple of Bad Boys, a very old AM1, a Warrior Std, an AirZero, Some sort of VP, a Stiletto, and one of the few MoXies, as well as a Centurion. And a tape measure somewhere in the garage Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 02:37 PM »

I knew you guys would be a wealth of knowledge. Currently I have a wild child UL, warrior, bad boy and bad boy vented. If any of you would be willing to turn loose of your Warrior or bad boy I would love to pick up another. Thanks again for your help. Ted
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 03:42 PM »

There are hits in the wayback machine back to 1996 when Sportkite.com was Buena Vista's site!
http://web.archive.org/web/19961208185847/http://www.sportkite.com
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 03:20 AM »

I recently picked up a PBSK AM2 and noticed what looks like two additional bridle attachment points, however the bridle that came with it does not have attachments at these spots.  Should there be?

I circled in RED the LE spots I'm referring to in the picture.

Thanks!
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 09:51 AM »

Yes, there is an extra leg that goes to the middle of the LE on some large and/or hard pulling kites. Especially ones with flexible LEs. It keeps the kites shape and/or reduces shudder in strong wind. The extra leg is often set up to be just very slightly loose in normal tension (like when holding the kite by the tow points indoors), so that it has no effect until the LE starts to flex in higher wind. On some kites all three LE legs should have equal tension all the time. Easy to adjust.

If you are flying the AM in low wind, probably not needed.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2017, 10:09 AM »

Thief, thanks for the link to the website, I searched and while it does tell me what they (except the wild child) are framed with, it has no lengths. This is especially what I'm searching for as I'm sure all my top spreaders have been replaced. Thanks again for your help but my search goes on unless there is a spar chart somewhere contained in that site that I missed.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 06:45 PM »

Thank you Allen,  I plan on flying it in only moderate winds, so I'll leave it alone.

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2017, 09:20 PM »

Here's a shot of an AM2 I had for a minute a long time ago.

My memory was correct, on this one the extra leg is very slightly loose as seen on the right side in the picture.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2017, 10:52 PM »

I would almost bet money that a Wild Child was framed in Avia G-force or G-force UL. As far as upper spreaders, it is my opinion (only) that on older, lower aspect ratio kites the upper spreader lengths are not as important as on the trendy, sportsters of today. On the few I've replaced I've just cut to fit, which is to say, I just cut a rod a little bit longer than the desired length and then trim it slowly until it just fits. I don't remember much need for tension on an upper spreader, at least with the sail unloaded. Too short and it'll just fall out. Better, IMHO, that you're flying and enjoying the kite than that it's all exactly factory accurate.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 09:09 AM »

The main thing with upper spreaders on Betancourt kites is they really effect flat spins. I use spreader weight (and length and position to a lesser extent) to dial in the nice, flat, Axel & 540 behavior.

More of an issue with UL and SUL versions.

Generally safe to position the ULE/Spreader connector in the middle of the cutout (if it shifted). Then cut a spreader to fit without bowing the ULE out. Unlike many curvy '90s kites, most PBSKs have straight ULE, with most or all of the curve in the LLE.

The weight of the spreader makes a huge difference in flat spins on these kites. .1560, .1800, .1960, .2100, etc. easy to try different weights and see what works best. When changing other frame components, especially a re-frame to modern sticks, the upper spreader is an area of considerable tweaking to balance the kite.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 07:00 AM »

OK so I have a '97 Wild Cild UL, '97 Wild Child, '96 Bad Boy, '98 Bad Boy vent and a '98 Warrior
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 01:00 PM »

Ooohlala that's quite a nice bunch!!!
Not to derail but.....got any pix so we can drool some more....
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